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***DUKE VS CLEMSON OFFICIAL GAMEDAY THREAD***

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WI#1Dukie22

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Bad loss. Not because it's Clemson but because of what Duke did and didn't do.

It started to end the first half and never got much better. To many Fing 3's, forced entirely to much to Plumlee. And I'll go THR, avg refs.

This is one we will look back at
 
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K-oach Q

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I just think it's a bad loss because we've lost to Utah and now Clemson. I'm sure more are coming and we don't have a win against a top 50 team.

This teams resume is less than impressive and they will have to beat some really good teams in the ACC to bolster that. Losses against teams like this really hurt with the lack of quality wins.
 
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dukiejay

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It probably is a bad loss, but I expected a few of them during conference play. We'll get some pretty good wins too.
 
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Well, there's one that got away. I rarely say the best team lost, but tonight it did. We really did deserve to lose this one, but I am really proud of these kids. This will be one they will remember and it will be good for the learning process if nothing else.
For some reason, I don't feel as bad as I normally do after a loss, and I think it is because we made enough dumb mistakes that we just did not deserve to win.
What we do with the knowledge gained from this will be what will matter the most. This won't be the only game like this, there's more to follow.
Mark my words, this team will make us proud more than disappoint us this year.
Go Duke!!


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BluePhil

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K-oach Q said:
I just think it's a bad loss because we've lost to Utah and now Clemson. I'm sure more are coming and we don't have a win against a top 50 team.

This teams resume is less than impressive and they will have to beat some really good teams in the ACC to bolster that. Losses against teams like this really hurt with the lack of quality wins.
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dukehokie said:
For a while, this team's strength was zone. But if you don't pressure the ball in a zone, you get killed. There was no ball pressure tonight.
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Going to zone not to foul vs zone to throw a curveball are two different defenses. Way too passive and flat footed. I still think our 3 road games haven't been true acc road games in the sense of crazy loud hostile and that scares me.
 
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calibluedevil

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How in the world was Jeter ranked in the top 10 in high school? Some sites had him in the mid teens as well, but he doesn't bring much to the table.
 
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WI#1Dukie22

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Not sure I'm a fan of Matt taking that last shot. Luke or Gray all day for me. Matt is a rock yes, but he hesitates, not a quick release, knock it down in rhythm shooter in my eyes.
 
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pisgah101

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Well that sucks!' First time watching a loss in person and it's quite a bit worse then sitting at home and seeing it.. My take is we lost because of the foul trouble it completely killed us and the zone we went to didn't do squat to stop Clemson.. Matt missing a HUGE free throw didn't help and then having him take the last 3 instead of Grayson or Luke blows my mind..
 
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DukeDenver

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Why didn't Duke foul immediately down 1 with 38 ticks left? Coaching mistake. Oh well, we are the champs, and Clemson missed out on that on Monday.

Next play. The ball movement needs to improve. All we do is drive and dump.
 
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jnastasi

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Sorry to be Debbie downer here boys but I think we need to start accepting that right now, this is a subpar Duke team. They can and will improve but Duke never does well when you have bad point guard play and DT is not a very good point guard at this point in his career. Luckly everyone else in college basketball is average this year as well but I'm not expecting much out of this team come March.
 
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KellenPatrick

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jnastasi said:
Sorry to be Debbie downer here boys but I think we need to start accepting that right now, this is a subpar Duke team. They can and will improve but Duke never does well when you have bad point guard play and DT is not a very good point guard at this point in his career. Luckly everyone else in college basketball is average this year as well but I'm not expecting much out of this team come March.
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calibluedevil said:
How in the world was Jeter ranked in the top 10 in high school? Some sites had him in the mid teens as well, but he doesn't bring much to the table.
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I think a big problem with chase is he got minimum minutes pre acc wether he deserved them or not the duke coaches and team only knows. It has to be tough to have really no role vs the cupcakes then amile goes down and now are expected to have a solid role. Compared to our guards, he's not going against talent in practice so game minutes are huge. With that being said he needs to be mentally tougher.
 
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KellenPatrick

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Hahaha....and so did the rest of the nation. You're probably right.
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.??? Maybe I am misunderstanding you or else I am wrong. I honestly mean that I believe the guys that said he was on the line and that I missed the replay of it.
 
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dukiejay

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jnastasi said:
Sorry to be Debbie downer here boys but I think we need to start accepting that right now, this is a subpar Duke team. They can and will improve but Duke never does well when you have bad point guard play and DT is not a very good point guard at this point in his career. Luckly everyone else in college basketball is average this year as well but I'm not expecting much out of this team come March.
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Anyone with common sense knew this team was a work in progress. Those coming to that realization just now have been living in a hole.

We don't have bad point guard play. We just don't have Tyus Jones point guard play. Thornton is on a different learning curve and still adjusting. He's not bad....he's just not elite.
 
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WI#1Dukie22 said:
Not sure I'm a fan of Matt taking that last shot. Luke or Gray all day for me. Matt is a rock yes, but he hesitates, not a quick release, knock it down in rhythm shooter in my eyes.
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Matt may mentally and leadership wise be a rock but he hasn't been playing all that well lately. He struggles to get off quality shots vs good teams.
 
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dukiejay

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I think a big problem with chase is he got minimum minutes pre acc wether he deserved them or not the duke coaches and team only knows. It has to be tough to have really no role vs the cupcakes then amile goes down and now are expected to have a solid role. Compared to our guards, he's not going against talent in practice so game minutes are huge. With that being said he needs to be mentally tougher.
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The big problem is Chase just isn't ready. Minutes or no minutes, he's going against Marshall, Amile (was), and Sean in practice. All three of those are better than anything the "cupcakes" have underneath. Part of being a backup is, well, being a backup. Injuries happen in sports, and when they do players often times see their roles expand as a result. Chase isn't the first player in sports history to have this happen to him and face such unprecedented odds.
 
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dukehokie

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Get Nasty said:
Going to zone not to foul vs zone to throw a curveball are two different defenses. Way too passive and flat footed. I still think our 3 road games haven't been true acc road games in the sense of crazy loud hostile and that scares me.
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Road games are road games. Fans aren't what they were in the mid 2000's, but the players still know the floor and sight lines better than their visiting opponents. Duke lost because they couldn't make shots. Plain and simple. No elaborate reason, no failed expectations, no poor schemes, missed shots. Make 13-25 instead of 11-25 threes and Duke wins by 1.
 
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dukiejay said:
The big problem is Chase just isn't ready. Minutes or no minutes, he's going against Marshall, Amile (was), and Sean in practice. All three of those are better than anything the "cupcakes" have underneath. Part of being a backup is, well, being a backup. Injuries happen in sports, and when they do players often times see their roles expand as a result. Chase isn't the first player in sports history to have this happen to him and face such unprecedented odds.
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Sean can barely run, but i get your point. I guess my point is this duke team isn't prepared for an injury or next man in. Could depth have been developed earlier in season, maybe, but that's not k's MO and his system clearly works the way it is. Duke is just in a tough spot if they get in foul trouble or the guards and ingram don't play brilliant.
 
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calibluedevil

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Get Nasty said:
I think a big problem with chase is he got minimum minutes pre acc wether he deserved them or not the duke coaches and team only knows. It has to be tough to have really no role vs the cupcakes then amile goes down and now are expected to have a solid role. Compared to our guards, he's not going against talent in practice so game minutes are huge. With that being said he needs to be mentally tougher.
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I agree with this statement
 
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dukehokie

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Get Nasty said:
Sean can barely run, but i get your point. I guess my point is this duke team isn't prepared for an injury or next man in. Could depth have been developed earlier in season, maybe, but that's not k's MO and his system clearly works the way it is. Duke is just in a tough spot if they get in foul trouble or the guards and ingram don't play brilliant.
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The 8 that play were the 8 that were going to play already before the started (includes Amile). No amount of time against garbage players would have helped Obi or Jeter anymore than practice would. There is something to be said seeing good things happen in games, but they've had opportunities to create positives in games and it hasn't translated. They aren't ready.
 
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WI#1Dukie22

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The extremely thin bench and new rules combined is going to be off the charts difficult to navigate thru! I've heard a lot about the new rules benefiting Duke, F that!! It's gonna be brutal all year...... Especially with Lucky involved. Ingrams foul trouble was just absolutely killer.
 
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dukehokie said:
Road games are road games. Fans aren't what they were in the mid 2000's, but the players still know the floor and sight lines better than their visiting opponents. Duke lost because they couldn't make shots. Plain and simple. No elaborate reason, no failed expectations, no poor schemes, missed shots. Make 13-25 instead of 11-25 threes and Duke wins by 1.
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Youll take 11-25 all day everyday. Ft shooting and getting to line were a disaster.
 
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WI#1Dukie22

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And to a few others points, long term this isn't that a big deal. We know this team had some obstacles

I just totally struggle with giving games away, I'd be on here saying all is good had we lost by 30 and got dominated all game lol..... This one just pissed me off!!

In the end..... NO REAL WORRIES HERE
 
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dukehokie said:
The 8 that play were the 8 that were going to play already before the started (includes Amile). No amount of time against garbage players would have helped Obi or Jeter anymore than practice would. There is something to be said seeing good things happen in games, but they've had opportunities to create positives in games and it hasn't translated. They aren't ready.
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I don't agree. Now more game minutes doesn't guarantee results but it definitely helps with some people. It wouldn't shock me if the plan was to ride amile and marshall and slowly bring chase along. Captain hindsight asks what if one of them goes down to injury? K even said they aren't physical at practice with their numbers. I just don't see how you develope mid season in practice only.
 
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