I look forward to all your posts over the next year.
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Just curious but how do you "know for sure"?
Not trying to start anything just curious how you know for sure
QUOTE="retiredsoldier, post: 11337200, member: 32325"]You give me Mod authority for a few minutes, you wouldn't have to wait until then lol.[/QUOTE]
I like that idea
I like that idea
I got people in high places lol. If you have at least a secret clearance, I can share it with you. If not, then you just have to wait and see.
Retiredsoldier made a good bet imo. K would never have said he expected him to be back Thursday if he didn't believe for sure he would be. Yeah, sure, Zion could fall and break a leg before then, but as far as this injury is concerned I would take this bet.
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I think it's a good bet for anybody who thinks he won't play Thursday as long as something crazy don't happen in practice. If he does come back, the people who think he's done will leave for a year, if he don't come back, I'll leave for a year. Now how many doubters ready to step up and take the bet?
I think when Zion returns he’s playing 25+ minutes right away.
I think it's full steam ahead just as it was prior to the injury. Hopefully Thurs, they all can get ample rest due to the score. That dudes motor is better than mine in my ZL1 lol.
You're spot on, Retired. He's playing barring some new disaster. K don't go there without knowing.
And yeah, there will be a lot of posters leaving if they take your bet imo.
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Yeah, it's not like he's missed half the year or something. I think he comes back better than new myself and will play 25 to 30 minutes.
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Exactly. Zion biggest thing now is to get in game shape, which he has 4 days of contact practice to do that. With his motor, it's game on Thur.
The guy who has completely dominated college basketball has been off for 5 games, watching, resting, and seeing his brother trying to fight the best they can without him. I would be totally surprised if he didn't come back and wreck havoc and prove once again, he is college basketball for any of the doubters who forgot what he brings, including some Duke fans!
I was actually in a fairly good mood about the toughness and fight this team showed tonight until reading some of the posts in this thread. The amount of baseless whining and hyperbole when we lose, regardless of score, situation, or context is truly mind numbing. I get that some people see this as their personal therapy couch and have every right to their dumb opinion, but thank you to those of you who don’t act like 3 year olds who just lost a game of checkers when things don’t go your way.
Duke currently sits 3rd in Kenpom with an AdjEm of 31.86. This has dropped a fair amount from when Zion went down and we still trail only 2 teams: one that we have between twice, and one that we took to the wire after playing 3 games in 3 days. To give context, this is only .6 lower than the 2015 team finished after winning the entire tournament. To sum it up: yes we are much better with Zion, no we aren’t terrible without him.
To say that we were struggling or showing signs for concern before Zion went down is also patently false. We were the firm no.1 seed in the tournament, were undefeated in road games and had only and still only have lost one game full strength. I guess there was that 25 point loss to Louisville... oh wait, yeah we won that too.
To those that said Williams shut down RJ tonight by running into him and falling over every time he dribbled, let’s hope he shuts him down next time we play for 26/12/4.
If you listen to anything K and Scheyer have said in their podcasts/ interviews, they have been and continue to expect Zion back. There hasn’t been enough practice time or an actual reason for them to install new offenses and sets for a team that is going to go back to normal (hopefully with Ques at some point) for the games that actually matter.
And yes, we are not a great shooting team. I don’t think anyone here has ever thought that we were since the Kentucky game. But no, we don’t have to shoot well from 3 , or really anywhere other than in the paint to win games. The beauty of having Zion back isn’t just that our ceiling gets exponentially higher, it’s that so does our margin for error. The offensive rebounding, steals and rim protection he provides coupled with his insane efficiency means we don’t have to play great to win, it’s on our opponenet. Tonight, without him on the road against the no.3 team in the country we had to play great to win and we were fairly close there at the end. With Zion, UNC’s effort tonight would not have cut it.
Duke currently sits 3rd in Kenpom with an AdjEm of 31.86. This has dropped a fair amount from when Zion went down and we still trail only 2 teams: one that we have between twice, and one that we took to the wire after playing 3 games in 3 days. To give context, this is only .6 lower than the 2015 team finished after winning the entire tournament. To sum it up: yes we are much better with Zion, no we aren’t terrible without him.
To say that we were struggling or showing signs for concern before Zion went down is also patently false. We were the firm no.1 seed in the tournament, were undefeated in road games and had only and still only have lost one game full strength. I guess there was that 25 point loss to Louisville... oh wait, yeah we won that too.
To those that said Williams shut down RJ tonight by running into him and falling over every time he dribbled, let’s hope he shuts him down next time we play for 26/12/4.
If you listen to anything K and Scheyer have said in their podcasts/ interviews, they have been and continue to expect Zion back. There hasn’t been enough practice time or an actual reason for them to install new offenses and sets for a team that is going to go back to normal (hopefully with Ques at some point) for the games that actually matter.
And yes, we are not a great shooting team. I don’t think anyone here has ever thought that we were since the Kentucky game. But no, we don’t have to shoot well from 3 , or really anywhere other than in the paint to win games. The beauty of having Zion back isn’t just that our ceiling gets exponentially higher, it’s that so does our margin for error. The offensive rebounding, steals and rim protection he provides coupled with his insane efficiency means we don’t have to play great to win, it’s on our opponenet. Tonight, without him on the road against the no.3 team in the country we had to play great to win and we were fairly close there at the end. With Zion, UNC’s effort tonight would not have cut it.
I wish I could like this post for an unlimited amount. Outstanding post! I must say I enjoyed reading every bit of it, unlike a few novels I have seen on here.
I've said it before, but I'll say it again, what's gonna happen on here when we finally do have a team that isn't that good? I still haven't gotten over how many on here think last year's team was some type of hideous failure. The kind of excellence that K and Duke have brought to us fans is practically unheard of in college basketball. We're going to miss the old guy when he leaves.
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Truth , it’s all about the coaching hire. One bad choice and we turn into state/wake
I think that's going to be the day I take charge and ban myself. I wasn't posting here last year as much, but one board I was on was absolutely RR worthy. It got so bad, I just couldn't take it anymore. I'm with you Old, I'm truly going to miss K when that time comes. Hopefully we can stay a float which will help ease the pain. We are truly a spoiled fan base for sure. But you know the deal, the negative is a lot easier to focus on than the positive, and I don't have time for that.
I agree totally. I trust K, and the administration to make the right hire to keep us going. I will have to temper my expectations as well, because it will not be easy coming in behind K for sure.
Roy's breifing in the locker room at the ACC tournament and getting the word Zion is back for Friday:
Personally I think it’ll depend on expectations going into he season. IMO it’s easier going into a year thinking we aren’t very good than thinking we’re so awesome and not reaching that expectation
Lol no we never in a million years turn into wake or state.
Pretty much, LetsGo. We've seen UCLA, Indiana, and Kentucky suffer when a mistake is made. It can happen to us too.
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Yep, we're spoiled big time, Retired. And like you, I don't like dwelling on the negative. Life is too damn short.
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Don't worry, it would require a string of coaching failures to fall that far. Atleast a couple decades. The foundation Coach K built is too strong at the moment I.e. Cameron Indoor Stadium, a successful coaching tree and the UNC rivalry.
In College Sports programs really are in trouble when recruits (aged 14+) were too young to remember when the program was dominant. You'll still get the occasional son whose parent played/coached/worked for Duke basketball. But after a couple decades the program is a has been. At the moment we have everything going for us including the hip "It" factor but that will likely disappear first.
Yes Sir, definately makes life more enjoyable for sure when you look at in that form.
There's truth to that, Pisgah, but it's been a long, long time since we've seen Duke consistently lose. I have seen it, and it's not pretty. And that was before the internet. Winning is just a hell of a lot more fun.
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I'll risk it....he's back, AND we win.
Been waiting on the drunk trolls to go to bed!! Now the drunk engineer is here!!
IUs old farts went thru this after Bubas left and it was tough to be a Duke fan but many of us did.I am am Duke fan for life regardless of their record.Everyone who agrees give me a hell yeah
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