This is an every year thing, we deal with it and move on. Posters , during a bad game start lashing out at coaches and players. It's just always seemed like a joke to me when people start talking about how bad our coaching staff is. Seriously? Say we look like crap, say so and so needs to pull it together. Whatever, but don't throw stupid sh#+ out like our coaches are bad or one player needs to not play anymore. If you're a fan at least respect the players and coaches. And if you get a little too dramatic, yea, we're gonna call you on it. And then , finally , there's that other strange phenomenon, it happened here today. Those posters ya just never see til we play bad, they show up with their douschebag skills ready for the attack. It just get so old. If I offend you I am sorry, I LOVE Duke basketball. It's not just a time passer for me. I've followed long enough to know, our coaching staff isn't bad, and these players are kids and they are learning. If you can't take a loss without crying like a GD 4 year old, just stay off the game day threads.
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If these posters had been around in the seventies,I wonder how many of them would even been Duke fans.Duke has been my team for over fifty years.There have been some truly been some bad times but I have never threw them in the ditch like some have today and it really pisses me off
Totally agree Show. I started posting a few years ago after lurking for awhile and thought the fans on here were incredible. I always enjoyed reading what DukieJay, Oldasdirt, Timo, Hokie, and others had to say during and after games. It's sad we have a lot on here that want to trash our team and coaches. If I wanted to read this nonsense, I would go over to THR. To all the negative posters: "Get with the program, or get lost." I hate a bunch of damn front runners!
Everybody have a safe and happy new year.
Everybody have a safe and happy new year.
Yea there's one in particular that just grinds my gears. Like Topps said, if these fair weather fans had been around in the 70's they wouldn't have lasted. I say get on board and stay on or jump ship now.
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I've never understood how you can love something so much, then turn on it so quickly, and so viciously. And I'm not just talking about basketball.
Things aren't going to always work out the way you want in life.
There are posters on here who have eviscerated Grayson Allen (and he does shoulder much of that blame), but can't even control their emotions on a forum, where they have a few seconds, or even minutes to consider what they're posting.
These kids and coaching staff live and breathe basketball. They're not trying to fail, or lose, or to make fans go crazy.
It's not as easy as many think to mesh different personalities, talents, attitudes, egos, work ethics, etc. together into a cohesive unit.
Add in all the injuries (and lack of playing together), Grayson's tripping quandary, and you've got a team that is uncertain, and at the moment, not very confident. A team has fun when it's winning, not so much when it isn't.
I truly believe that as Harry gets back into the mix a little more, and Grayson returns that this team will be formidable. But if it doesn't happen, I'll still be a fan, and support each and every one of them.
Supporting the team (and individual players) is really the only 'job' us fans have, and if we can't do that without demonizing our players (constructive criticism is a different animal), then we're doing a poor job.
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Things aren't going to always work out the way you want in life.
There are posters on here who have eviscerated Grayson Allen (and he does shoulder much of that blame), but can't even control their emotions on a forum, where they have a few seconds, or even minutes to consider what they're posting.
These kids and coaching staff live and breathe basketball. They're not trying to fail, or lose, or to make fans go crazy.
It's not as easy as many think to mesh different personalities, talents, attitudes, egos, work ethics, etc. together into a cohesive unit.
Add in all the injuries (and lack of playing together), Grayson's tripping quandary, and you've got a team that is uncertain, and at the moment, not very confident. A team has fun when it's winning, not so much when it isn't.
I truly believe that as Harry gets back into the mix a little more, and Grayson returns that this team will be formidable. But if it doesn't happen, I'll still be a fan, and support each and every one of them.
Supporting the team (and individual players) is really the only 'job' us fans have, and if we can't do that without demonizing our players (constructive criticism is a different animal), then we're doing a poor job.
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The man with the most wisdom on here has spoken. I would run through 2 brick walls for you OAD! Well said. By the way, have you ever done any coaching?
No, I've never been involved in coaching on any level, Duke90, but I have lived a long life, and have learned a little along the way.
And thanks for the kind words, even though I'm not that wise...just old!
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I, like SOME others want duke to win championships. SOME understand what it takes to win and when losing characteristics are right in front of you call it out. OTHERS feel like every duke player and coach is perfect and there should be no criticism. Being soft on our youth like this is what is making them soft post college. The duke players need to be crushed in practice and in film sessions by the coaches right now.
We are having warranted conversations on effort. When a K team lacks effort that is trouble.
I can't stand how poorly duke is playing and am so critical because I care so much. You play to win. So much can and needs to be improved upon. No one is asking for a new coach.
It's comical how posters on this board want people that are critical to no longer be fans. Personally I feel if you're not extremely critical right now of the team you're not a true fan. I don't care how long you've supposedly rooted for duke. Duke is not playing or giving the effort the name on the jersey demands.
Yes I think matt jones doesn't deserve 20 minutes a game. Yes I think chase will be a bust based on his recruiting rankings. I wish k would get Luke to put some effort on D. I wish amile would be a leader and not a complainer and whiner all game. I wish Grayson would grow up. I wish bolden would play with effort. I wish frank would attack all game when it's there.
On the positive side, matt busts his butt on d, Luke is playing amazing offensively, Tatum can get any shot he wants, Giles is improving, frank can attack, there's time to improve. K can make amazing adjustments when he isn't stubborn.
I feel we should be discussing what needs to happen to be a clear favorite to win it all.
We are having warranted conversations on effort. When a K team lacks effort that is trouble.
I can't stand how poorly duke is playing and am so critical because I care so much. You play to win. So much can and needs to be improved upon. No one is asking for a new coach.
It's comical how posters on this board want people that are critical to no longer be fans. Personally I feel if you're not extremely critical right now of the team you're not a true fan. I don't care how long you've supposedly rooted for duke. Duke is not playing or giving the effort the name on the jersey demands.
Yes I think matt jones doesn't deserve 20 minutes a game. Yes I think chase will be a bust based on his recruiting rankings. I wish k would get Luke to put some effort on D. I wish amile would be a leader and not a complainer and whiner all game. I wish Grayson would grow up. I wish bolden would play with effort. I wish frank would attack all game when it's there.
On the positive side, matt busts his butt on d, Luke is playing amazing offensively, Tatum can get any shot he wants, Giles is improving, frank can attack, there's time to improve. K can make amazing adjustments when he isn't stubborn.
I feel we should be discussing what needs to happen to be a clear favorite to win it all.
You're definitely wise. Your messages remind me of my father speaking, whom I lost 12 years ago at the young age of 69. I always appreciate your perspective during and after games. Have a good night my friend.No, I've never been involved in coaching on any level, Duke90, but I have lived a long life, and have learned a little along the way.
And thanks for the kind words, even though I'm not that wise...just old!
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Sorry, Nasty, didn't realize only fans like you want to win championships.
Don't mistake being respectful as not having toughness, or not being competitive. If you do, it'll bite you in the azz one day.
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I'm not in the OFC, and I've had my moments of getting a little out of sorts over games, but over the years have slowly realized that after the day, my life doesn't hang on a Duke loss or win. Sometime perspective needs to take place. For one I'm too blessed to stress, two, these kids want to win as much as any of us want them to win, three, they are human and every duke team I've ever seen has had a lump or two, and four, to say they are poorly coached when Coach K is on the sideline is completely retarded.
No, I've never been involved in coaching on any level, Duke90, but I have lived a long life, and have learned a little along the way.
And thanks for the kind words, even though I'm not that wise...just old!
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Old is right.
OFCCoaching isn't a perfect formula. K can try things that don't work. How can anyone say this team looked prepared to play today when they had a lot of time to prepare?
Do you treat people like this in public and not behind a computer?
I tend not to talk to people seriously that don't have a clue with what it takes to play at this level. Most of the time people want to know how division 1 sports works.
Everyone has a game plan until they get punched in the mouth.....Duke got punched in the mouth....next game
Well we just lost another basketball game we should have one. It will not be the last time but thankfully it's a rare thing. V.Tech folks are going crazy like they just won a national championship and I guess with their past success against us I understand their joy. The main thing is it's just a basketball game. There's so much more stupid crap going on in this world than Duke losing a basketball game but being a Duke basketball fan sure helps make life a little more joyful. OFC
Amen, Skysdad!! Come on fellow posters. Let's celebrate the New Year!
Get Nasty was probably one of the hyped up fans that had a 40-0 shirt made and pissed at the team he couldn't show it off. I hope when Coach retires they can hire him to coach them to perfection.
This. I think at times, and I'll use him as an example, @Get Nasty can be more abrasive than educational, which can cause his point to get lost. But that doesn't mean he doesnt have a valid point. Saying "K is struggling getting this team on the same page" is the exact same point as saying "K can't coach this team". And on the other end of the spectrum, I'll say sometimes my glasses are too blue (see post UNLV).
In either case, I think the message can get lost, epsecially when things seem bleak like they are right now. Tensions are always high when the team suffers. But bottom line, this is a Duke discussion board where things should be discussed. So for every "Matt is great", there will be a couple "Matt isn't great" posts as it should be. And that is ok. The problem sometimes comes when you have a fan base that roots hard for all of these guys and your own fans are talking trash like it's a Kentucky board.
Maybe that is where there needs to be a line of decorum. It's ok to say what you mean with a bit of tact, but homerism be damned, this is a Duke board. Defend your guys like you're asking the team to do on the court. And if someone needs to be called, call em, but there's a way to be called out and not act like an angry preteen. I bet Luke in the locker room isn't saying "hey Coach, stop playing Matt. He doesn't deserve a single minute." But I bet he would tell Matt to make the extra pass if he knows his shot ain't falling that night. Just different ways of saying the same thing is an art.
Well after playing four years of D1 FootballI and coaching for ten years I have somewhat of an idea about what it takes to play at this level.When a coach has to completely revamp his gameplay due to injuries their are going to be serious hiccups along the way.Also the other team you are playing gives scholarships as well and sometimes they contribute to your problems.Normally a team figures out their identity during the preseason and early season, we now have to do that on the fly.Iwould like for you to approach a D1 athlete and tell them they are soft and lack effort.I do not think that you would not like to see the results of that conversation
Agree with most of this coach. Just because you are labeled as a D1 athlete does not mean you can't be called out for soft and lack of effort. Lots of D3 athletes giving effort.
Right now this team looks as if playing defense is a necessary evil. Its a privilege and an honor to be wearing that Duke uniform and trying to get stops. Hands are not in the face of outside shooters, consistently getting beat off dribble....
I will be surprised if we dont show up a different team Wednesday nite. I am not going to trash anyone, but I do wish Frank was getting Matt's minutes and vice-versa...Giles 8 rebs in 13 minutes were encouraging, as were Bolden's 3 in 3 minutes....
I hope this team adopts an angry "us against the world" unity, given the media frying of GA and their world stopping headlines when Duke loses....Bring it on Ga Tech....
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I will be surprised if we dont show up a different team Wednesday nite. I am not going to trash anyone, but I do wish Frank was getting Matt's minutes and vice-versa...Giles 8 rebs in 13 minutes were encouraging, as were Bolden's 3 in 3 minutes....
I hope this team adopts an angry "us against the world" unity, given the media frying of GA and their world stopping headlines when Duke loses....Bring it on Ga Tech....
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I'll go a step further and say there is more consistent effort at the d3 level than D1. At d3 you aren't on scholarships, you don't have media attention, you are most likely not aspiring to go pro. You play for the love of the game, your team and university. Right now the ENTIRE duke team is playing like they're entitled. I would gladly say it to the team in person. Although They don't need me to tell them they're not playing hard on d. the game film and box score clearly show it.
I wasn't excited as everyone after Florida because I don't think they're that good and unlv is an embarrassment. In my eyes we haven't beaten a good team yet.
K has potentially 6-8 first rounders with 2-4 being lottery picks on this team. Anything short of a legit shot at a championship is a failure of a season. Right now, we're not even close so I feel at this point k is doing a bad job. Maybe his plan works out and we peak in march. I could accept not having great team chemistry right now with the injuries, but the selfish play on offense and lack of effort on D is unacceptable. It's ok to lose and grow during the season, but again, a lack of effort is alarming.
Every shot matt takes I root for it to go in, every time chase is on the court I hope the light bulb turns on and he understands how to play. When bolden comes in I think this will be the time he plays like he did in all the HS all star games. Right now, k is allowing the same players to make the same mistakes and play with the same lack of energy.
The Elon incident disgusts me so bad because of the lack of maturity from Grayson. 3 years in Ks program and to be a captain and that's the maturity you get. Captains can make mistakes but to do them 3 times and compound it with his childish rant makes me concerned over his control of the team. I don't think there is a problem but it's worth all the attention it is getting.
We have a lot of experts here, that's for sure. I just wish all of the remedies the experts can see were such an easy fix.
1.) Without Grayson we're a bad shooting team. We're not great with him, but I think he helps to open things up. Matt has really struggled, but he's shot 42% and 38% the last two years....so I don't think it's that he's awful. Awful this year? Hard to argue. Jayson and Frank are adequate, but perimeter shooting isn't a strength for either. Luke is our only "threat" right now.
2.) Lack of chemistry/cohesiveness. It's alarming but not surprising right now, in a way. I'm more apt to think it's not necessarily a lack of effort. I think the kids are trying, but the moving parts aren't really working/meshing together. And with that happening it's sometimes resulting in bad body language. That's not very uncommon.
3.) Injuries/The Grayson factor. Not to belabor a point, but these issues still exist. Obviously, we know about Grayson. But truth be told, Giles is nowhere near close to having back his feel. Scoring four points and grabbing eight rebounds is a step in the right direction, but I still noticed him kind of avoiding some scrums on the court today. That's natural having been through what he has. As for Bolden, I'm not privy to what's going on day-to-day, but rumors still suggest he's not fully recovered, either. Honestly, the frustrations of the first six weeks and all of the injuries have kind of manifested and carried over into conference play because things aren't close to being normal, or even close to how we envisioned just four months ago.
1.) Without Grayson we're a bad shooting team. We're not great with him, but I think he helps to open things up. Matt has really struggled, but he's shot 42% and 38% the last two years....so I don't think it's that he's awful. Awful this year? Hard to argue. Jayson and Frank are adequate, but perimeter shooting isn't a strength for either. Luke is our only "threat" right now.
2.) Lack of chemistry/cohesiveness. It's alarming but not surprising right now, in a way. I'm more apt to think it's not necessarily a lack of effort. I think the kids are trying, but the moving parts aren't really working/meshing together. And with that happening it's sometimes resulting in bad body language. That's not very uncommon.
3.) Injuries/The Grayson factor. Not to belabor a point, but these issues still exist. Obviously, we know about Grayson. But truth be told, Giles is nowhere near close to having back his feel. Scoring four points and grabbing eight rebounds is a step in the right direction, but I still noticed him kind of avoiding some scrums on the court today. That's natural having been through what he has. As for Bolden, I'm not privy to what's going on day-to-day, but rumors still suggest he's not fully recovered, either. Honestly, the frustrations of the first six weeks and all of the injuries have kind of manifested and carried over into conference play because things aren't close to being normal, or even close to how we envisioned just four months ago.
Seems to me the Grayson factor may be more of an impact than we thought. We didn't play very well at all in the 2nd half against Elon even though it was a win. Va. Tech was a crap game from the tip-off. The adjustments are going to have to be made without Grayson because we don't know how long it's going to be and then adjustments will need to be made when he returns. I don't know how the team has reacted to what Grayson has done but it's those guys he is going to have to regain their trust and support, not us. The rest of the team also has to take the responsibility of moving on. OFC
And fan frustration. 3 months ago this was supposed to be one of if not the most talented duke teams ever and practice reports were the 2nd team was top 25 caliber. Duke would have all the pieces except a true pg. we would be long and athletic at all positions. I personally wasn't expecting 40-0 but never imagined we'd ever look close to this bad this year.
I see both sides here, but one thing I know for sure, if you accept mediocrity, you soon will become mediocre.UK fans have been known to eat their own, but we know when you start to slip, things can go down hill fast.
I knew we had injuries, but I think we are past the point of using them as an excuse given the Florida performance. Guys we've just played 3 bad games, w/enough talent where we should have won two handily, and no way gone down by almost 20 yesterday..,
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