Duke's Roster

[Neal Orac]

Think what you want. I pay attention to the top of the sport, because it's the most interesting and it's the benchmark for where UK should be. I pull for all things anti-Duke, yet envious of what they have that sustains their model.

What a load of S this is.

It's still Jon Scheyer coaching.

Duke could get these players with money alone. They need a better coach.

 

[BookofMormon]

It's still Jon Scheyer coaching.

Duke could get these players with money alone. They need a better coach.

Let's hope he continues to crap the bed.

 

[Im The Village Idiot]

Let's hope he continues to crap the bed.

Unless Scheyer was commanding his players to turn the ball over, I can’t see how he was the one crapping the bed. I think Scheyer is one of the brightest coaches in college basketball and I’m willing to take the insults for saying it.

He has a record of 124-25, a winning percentage of 83.2%. He’s been to R32, E8, F4, E8. Some will point he has had a ton of talent — and I agree. But so did John Calipari at Kentucky and he won 76.9% of his games.

If boosters came to the Village Idiot tomorrow and said, “It’s your call. You can keep Kentucky basketball as it is right now or trade it all for 20 years of Jon Scheyer”, I’d take them up on it faster than they could finish the sentence. He’s among the best coaches in the land and under 40. I hope he goes to the NBA eventually — otherwise I’d be shocked if he doesn’t wind up with MULTIPLE national championships. It’s hard to win a title in college, especially with a high concentration of freshman. Yet, year in and year out, he has teams capable of cutting down the nets.

The college basketball fan in me is always going to call a spade a spade even when it isn’t what I PREFER it to be. Duke is killing it, so is Jon Scheyer. It sucks to say it but the only reason to deny it is blue goggles. I’d rather mean what I say.

 

[UKFootball78]

Unless Scheyer was commanding his players to turn the ball over, I can’t see how he was the one crapping the bed. I think Scheyer is one of the brightest coaches in college basketball and I’m willing to take the insults for saying it.

He has a record of 124-25, a winning percentage of 83.2%. He’s been to R32, E8, F4, E8. Some will point he has had a ton of talent — and I agree. But so did John Calipari at Kentucky and he won 76.9% of his games.

If boosters came to the Village Idiot tomorrow and said, “It’s your call. You can keep Kentucky basketball as it is right now or trade it all for 20 years of Jon Scheyer”, I’d take them up on it faster than they could finish the sentence. He’s among the best coaches in the land and under 40. I hope he goes to the NBA eventually — otherwise I’d be shocked if he doesn’t wind up with MULTIPLE national championships. It’s hard to win a title in college, especially with a high concentration of freshman. Yet, year in and year out, he has teams capable of cutting down the nets.

The college basketball fan in me is always going to call a spade a spade even when it isn’t what I PREFER it to be. Duke is killing it, so is Jon Scheyer. It sucks to say it but the only reason to deny it is blue goggles. I’d rather mean what I say.

You have to be joking...his in-game coach is awful. He won so many games because he is in a week conference (since he has been coach) and has had the most talented players by a wide margin. Obvious I would think

 

[Im The Village Idiot]

You have to be joking...his in-game coach is awful. He won so many games because he is in a week conference (since he has been coach) and has had the most talented players by a wide margin. Obvious I would think

What specifically makes his in-game coaching awful? What schematically or tactically makes him terrible?

 

[UKFootball78]

What specifically makes his in-game coaching awful? What schematically or tactically makes him terrible?

2 can play that game. What specifically makes his in-game coaching elite? What schematically or tactically makes you think he is one of the best coaches in college basketball?

 

[Im The Village Idiot]

2 can play that game. What specifically makes his in-game coaching elite? What schematically or tactically makes you think he is one of the best coaches in college basketball?

I think he has adapted to the modern game much better than Coach K. He runs a lot of sets predicated on making his bigs handlers from the perimeter. Most people appreciated the paint beast that Khaman Maluach was, but not as many people appreciated how Scheyer used his passing as a weapon to increase the spacing even more on the floor, even running zoom sets and 5 out, something he has continued to do with Patrick Ngongba.

He has also shown precision with how he has identified a type of personnel preference. He likes rangy, switchable defenders rather than adhering to classical positional lineups. Duke is able to switch at nearly every position under Scheyer thanks to his commitment to position less basketball.

He also does a great job, much like prime Calipari, of scheming to his best players’ strengths. A great example of this were the isolations he would run for Cooper Flagg, where he’d run an action to have Cooper receive the ball high post and then have the side vacant to disallow easy help. Sometimes simple works best.

 

[BookofMormon]

Unless Scheyer was commanding his players to turn the ball over, I can’t see how he was the one crapping the bed. I think Scheyer is one of the brightest coaches in college basketball and I’m willing to take the insults for saying it.

He has a record of 124-25, a winning percentage of 83.2%. He’s been to R32, E8, F4, E8. Some will point he has had a ton of talent — and I agree. But so did John Calipari at Kentucky and he won 76.9% of his games.

If boosters came to the Village Idiot tomorrow and said, “It’s your call. You can keep Kentucky basketball as it is right now or trade it all for 20 years of Jon Scheyer”, I’d take them up on it faster than they could finish the sentence. He’s among the best coaches in the land and under 40. I hope he goes to the NBA eventually — otherwise I’d be shocked if he doesn’t wind up with MULTIPLE national championships. It’s hard to win a title in college, especially with a high concentration of freshman. Yet, year in and year out, he has teams capable of cutting down the nets.

The college basketball fan in me is always going to call a spade a spade even when it isn’t what I PREFER it to be. Duke is killing it, so is Jon Scheyer. It sucks to say it but the only reason to deny it is blue goggles. I’d rather mean what I say.

I appreciate you candor and objectivity. I too am a CBB fan and like to think I see the landscape with an open mind.

That said, while I think he's a young, blossoming coach, I'm not fully sold quite yet. You say he can't stop his players from turning the ball over, but coaches are responsible for a number of things that could identify in advance and rescheme, shift rotations, regroup. A top coach could anticipate during halftime and gameplan. When you stand back and realize that CBB coaches with a 1 seed up 15 at the half were 134-0 prior to that loss, that has to register. I don't care if the other side was Hurley.

The Houston loss was a labotomy and three minutes of ringling bros.

He's been knocked out up really big late to lesser teams two years running, previous year lost to an 11 seeded NC St in the E8. And yes, his talent levels have been absurd. 25 he had a generational top pick of the draft, NBA ROY and Runner Up, 3 top ten picks. Last year he had the most efficient NPOY, in the history of the metric. He's done some winning, a lot of it in a horrendous ACC down UNC & Louisville. That conference has been a breeze.

His 2023 team had Jarred McCain, Kyle Filipowski, Mark Mitchell and Jeremy Roach. Pedestrian level recruits for Duke standards, but 4 top 20 recruits, two now successful NBA players. That is rich for many programs.

I have it on good accord from a Duke campus resource their operating budget is north of 30mm. This years roster is so extremely rich in talent, if he can't get close to the championship game with it, I would call it a tragic disappointment. The IronDuke's are doing all they can to insure his success.

He's hard to evaluate. I wouldn't say his in game is all that impressive, his adjustments don't show. His offenses are pedestrian - he's generally run the offense through two hyper-studly PF's the last two years, hasn't had a guard with over 3 assists. How many times in close games did we see his set out of a T/O simply be hand it to Flagg. I haven't seen him really improve any multi-year player. Did Tyrese Proctor, Caleb Foster, anyone really "develop" under him where you've seen pronounced improvement? I haven't seen it if so. I didn't see a lot of improvement in Isiah Evans, 13th recruit, sent into the second round after sophomore year.

He recruits over good players at such a level it feels like he's on the constant quest of simply finding the better player. Cameron Williams cannot be happy - he came to Duke as a top 5* and sees them recruit JBB over him in the spring. Right now, he's a talent stacker that sounds decent at a mic. I haven't seen anything demonstrating close game grit or toughness. They wack so many bad teams in the ACC with their abundance of talent, it makes it really hard to assess.

Scheyer almost left Duke for the DePaul job in 21. Had he done that, would you still be a big believer? I personally find him a bit forced, canned and a tad dorky. He works for Duke and he fits their image perfectly, but I don't sense a guy that elevates a set of players as much as he corals some amazing recruits. That said, his talent level is so high, I expect him to win one soon. I think he wins one in the next two years.

Separately, Village Idiot qualifies as a top 5 poster on RR.

 

[UKFootball78]

I think he has adapted to the modern game much better than Coach K. He runs a lot of sets predicated on making his bigs handlers from the perimeter. Most people appreciated the paint beast that Khaman Maluach was, but not as many people appreciated how Scheyer used his passing as a weapon to increase the spacing even more on the floor, even running zoom sets and 5 out, something he has continued to do with Patrick Ngongba.

He has also shown precision with how he has identified a type of personnel preference. He likes rangy, switchable defenders rather than adhering to classical positional lineups. Duke is able to switch at nearly every position under Scheyer thanks to his commitment to position less basketball.

He also does a great job, much like prime Calipari, of scheming to his best players’ strengths. A great example of this were the isolations he would run for Cooper Flagg, where he’d run an action to have Cooper receive the ball high post and then have the side vacant to disallow easy help. Sometimes simple works best.

Nothing special about any of that,nor unique to scheyer. What makes him the best?...his end game play calls and coaching are the first place I point. His sets are just get the ball in his best players hands and hope he creates something on his on....like calipari

 

[BookofMormon]

Nothing special about any of that,nor unique to scheyer. What makes him the best?...his end game play calls and coaching are the first place I point. His sets are just get the ball in his best players hands and hope he creates something on his on....like calipari

From what I gather, Duke's entire philosophy under K was barely coaching offense, focusing on defense. Scheyer's offense is meh. Stars make it look good. This year will be a test because there is no Flagg or Boozer, but they still have a load of talent, especially if this JBB kid is as good as advertised.

They will be amazing on defense. They have so much positional size and length, and depth. There is the chance they are runaway good by season's end if Scheyer can coach.

I tend to think it's hard to teach advanced offense in a system that turns kids over so quickly. Hurley's offense tends not to really click with players until Year 2, hence he recruits a different kind of kid than Scheyer. Scheyer with Cal in that top 10 5*, Hurley spends his time 10 through 30 to try and get two years.

 

[BookofMormon]

I think he has adapted to the modern game much better than Coach K. He runs a lot of sets predicated on making his bigs handlers from the perimeter. Most people appreciated the paint beast that Khaman Maluach was, but not as many people appreciated how Scheyer used his passing as a weapon to increase the spacing even more on the floor, even running zoom sets and 5 out, something he has continued to do with Patrick Ngongba.

He has also shown precision with how he has identified a type of personnel preference. He likes rangy, switchable defenders rather than adhering to classical positional lineups. Duke is able to switch at nearly every position under Scheyer thanks to his commitment to position less basketball.

He also does a great job, much like prime Calipari, of scheming to his best players’ strengths. A great example of this were the isolations he would run for Cooper Flagg, where he’d run an action to have Cooper receive the ball high post and then have the side vacant to disallow easy help. Sometimes simple works best.

Yet his guards initiated nothing - he hasn't had a guard with over three assists a game for the last two years. There was an over-reliance on the big handler and in the close games, it always backfired.

Take a look a the last 18 national champions and of them, 14 had a guard as the MOP of the tournament. The last three have been Cadeau, Clayton and Newton. I still think when push comes to shove, the guards are the engine in CBB. They are POA on defense, security, playmakers, the energy source.

I found Tyrese Proctor one of the most overrated Duke players I've ever watched. Caleb Foster is another player I find incredibly overrated. Duke hasn't had a guard average over three assists a game the last two years. One thing has been true in CBB forever, guards win. I do think Scheyer has solved for that this year with Rippey, who I'd expect to get most of the time by years end if Scheyer knows what he is doing.

Didn't notice much in Maluach's passing, he averaged .5 assists a game, so he had all over 20 assists on the whole year. I'm sure most of those were kick outs for jumpers.