During the campaign (which apparently is still going on) Trumplethinskin said fixing healthcare ....

Airport

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would be "easy"..."simple". Now he says it's "unbelievably complicated". How much is that snake oil? Suckers.
Should just do away with it. His supporters are for it, no replacement is needed. That's what the people elected him to do, not replace it. It's still about the states he carried and not about the states he didn't.
 

Airport

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would be "easy"..."simple". Now he says it's "unbelievably complicated". How much is that snake oil? Suckers.
Did you see stallings got a car for his hole in one? His was the second one that week and Honda decided to honor the second one.
 

bamaEER

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Should just do away with it. His supporters are for it, no replacement is needed. That's what the people elected him to do, not replace it. It's still about the states he carried and not about the states he didn't.
Not happening. He promised a plan and in his mind, that's what's important, not whether going without one is a better option.
 
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Not happening. He promised a plan and in his mind, that's what's important, not whether going without one is a better option.
And he said his replacement would be "tremendous" and "very special". I think he bases his life on the elixir saleman on Josey Wales.
 

moe

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Should just do away with it. His supporters are for it, no replacement is needed. That's what the people elected him to do, not replace it. It's still about the states he carried and not about the states he didn't.
I guess you haven't seen the town hall meetings where folks that might lose their healthcare benefits are pretty pissed but I'm sure that you have zero sympathy for those 20 million Americans. Even though Trump wants to blame everyone from Soros to BO for the raucous crowds, it's still a black eye for congressional Republicans.
 

TarHeelEer

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I guess you haven't seen the town hall meetings where folks that might lose their healthcare benefits are pretty pissed but I'm sure that you have zero sympathy for those 20 million Americans. Even though Trump wants to blame everyone from Soros to BO for the raucous crowds, it's still a black eye for congressional Republicans.

Nope, fake folks being bused in from who knows where. Need to start id-ing these folks.
 

dave

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I guess you haven't seen the town hall meetings where folks that might lose their healthcare benefits are pretty pissed but I'm sure that you have zero sympathy for those 20 million Americans. Even though Trump wants to blame everyone from Soros to BO for the raucous crowds, it's still a black eye for congressional Republicans.
Who is going to lose their healthcare benefits?
 

bamaEER

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And he said his replacement would be "tremendous" and "very special". I think he bases his life on the elixir saleman on Josey Wales.
Yeah, he's a true salesman. Like I said before, I'd hate to be a GOP congressman having to work with this administration. Guilt by association.
 

Keyser76

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Should just do away with it. His supporters are for it, no replacement is needed. That's what the people elected him to do, not replace it. It's still about the states he carried and not about the states he didn't.
Then why don't they? Hmmmm? lol. They passed a bill to repeal it when Obama was President but they won't do it now because they know Trump won't veto it like Obama would, I agree, repeal it now, give the rubes what they think they wanted.
 

Keyser76

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Nope, fake folks being bused in from who knows where. Need to start id-ing these folks.
Lol, fake folks, you guys are grasping at the last straws of this epic flameout. Or do ya'll not understand that even when someone from the other party wins, there are still the other parties folks in that district. But I agree, repeal that America destroying mother*cker now! Why wait!
 

TarHeelEer

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Lol, fake folks, you guys are grasping at the last straws of this epic flameout. Or do ya'll not understand that even when someone from the other party wins, there are still the other parties folks in that district. But I agree, repeal that America destroying mother*cker now! Why wait!

I'm of the opinion now of let it burn. It will be a mistake to replace it causing pain before the Democratic version causes the pain it will cause. Let everything kick in just the way it was envisioned, and let it go down the toilet.
 

WVUCOOPER

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I'm of the opinion now of let it burn. It will be a mistake to replace it causing pain before the Democratic version causes the pain it will cause. Let everything kick in just the way it was envisioned, and let it go down the toilet.
Yep. People were elected to sit on their hands, not do anything.
 

moe

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Nope, fake folks being bused in from who knows where. Need to start id-ing these folks.
lol yes, why would anyone be upset for potentially losing their medical insurance? I actually felt sorry for Tom Cotton last week as he got scorched by some nutty woman who was inviting him to dinner at her family's house to discuss the issues.
 

moe

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Actually, his words were....

"Nobody knew that health care could be so complicated"

Who the F is 'nobody'?
Trump is a truly uninformed idiot and there doesn't seem to be anyone in the White House who knows much more or maybe they are too afraid of him to try to bring him up to speed on this and other issues. Trump will just leave this one to congress to figure out, same for the budget and any other complicated plan.
 

bamaEER

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Trump is a truly uninformed idiot and there doesn't seem to be anyone in the White House who knows much more or maybe they are too afraid of him to try to bring him up to speed on this and other issues. Trump will just leave this one to congress to figure out, same for the budget and any other complicated plan.
Oh, he's definitely leaving all of the heavy lifting to Congress. Congress has to bring life to Biff's flawed campaign promises. May the force be with them.
 

Airport

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I guess you haven't seen the town hall meetings where folks that might lose their healthcare benefits are pretty pissed but I'm sure that you have zero sympathy for those 20 million Americans. Even though Trump wants to blame everyone from Soros to BO for the raucous crowds, it's still a black eye for congressional Republicans.

The 20 million are from meidicaid increases. Here in Va, our legislators were smart enough to not beleive the Feds would honor their agreement. The feds promised to fund at 90%,80%,70% and then there was no promise after that. Sooner or later, you run out of money and we are headed that way. Block grants are the only way to go but we will be out of money sooner or later.
 

dave

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Yep. People were elected to sit on their hands, not do anything.
Were they elected to do just anything because nothing else had be done and because anything is better than doing nothing? Because that is what got us Obamacare.
 

PriddyBoy

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would be "easy"..."simple". Now he says it's "unbelievably complicated". How much is that snake oil? Suckers.
Surely you know how pathetic your side looks for dumping that turd on America and then running away to let someone else TRY to fix it. Heaven forbid trying to help out here. Thanks for nothing, as usual.
 

atlkvb

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would be "easy"..."simple". Now he says it's "unbelievably complicated". How much is that snake oil? Suckers.

Fixing the ACA is easy RPJ. Convincing Leftists such as yourself that their lives can't function without the Government running every aspect of it is the heavy lift.

If you put individuals in charge of buying their own Health care, the way they want at prices they can afford I think they could figure it out.

I know the Left finds it hard to believe that people are capable of doing for themselves, but when do we get a chance to try huh RPJ?
 

dave

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And many GOP Governors.
I understand their concern, but nobody in Congress or the White House is talking about doing that. Seems like good ole fashion boogeyman DNC "they gonna kill old people" BS.
 

WVUCOOPER

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I understand their concern, but nobody in Congress or the White House is talking about doing that. Seems like good ole fashion boogeyman DNC "they gonna kill old people" BS.
Unfortunately they (WH) won't kill old people.*


*For PATX - this was a joke.
 

atlkvb

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Trump is a truly uninformed idiot and there doesn't seem to be anyone in the White House who knows much more or maybe they are too afraid of him to try to bring him up to speed on this and other issues. Trump will just leave this one to congress to figure out, same for the budget and any other complicated plan.

Moe, my former Congressman, Dr. Thomas Price (head of HHS) is helping the Trump Administration develop the market based solutions to the ACA. Trump was smart to put him in charge of it by naming the former Physician as Director of HHS. He's been a long time advocate for "patient power" in Health care delivery services, that's why Trump picked him to spearhead reforms away from the ACA.

Was that idiotic too? Here is Price's bio:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Price_(U.S._politician)

(By the way Moe, what's the Left's popularly demanded alternative to the ACA?) Can you link me?
 
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Fixing the ACA is easy RPJ. Convincing Leftists such as yourself that their lives can't function without the Government running every aspect of it is the heavy lift.

If you put individuals in charge of buying their own Health care, the way they want at prices they can afford I think they could figure it out.

I know the Left finds it hard to believe that people are capable of doing for themselves, but when do we get a chance to try huh RPJ?
Given that the GOP controls the White House and all of Congress, looks like you'll get your chance any day now. We'll see how it all works out.
 

dave

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Given that the GOP controls the White House and all of Congress, looks like you'll get your chance any day now. We'll see how it all works out.
The quickest way to fix it would have been to not elect the least experienced president ever in 2008, but the Dems ran Obama and McCain.
 
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The quickest way to fix it would have been to not elect the least experienced president ever in 2008, but the Dems ran Obama and McCain.
Let's see, 18-20 million more people now have insurance. Insurance companies cant discriminate on pre-existing conditions, and young adults can stay on parents' plans until 26. That is just a complete disaster. Even your hero, Trumplethinskin, has acknowledged that there are some positives about the ACA (not sure who told him to say that, but he said it). The failure has been the inability to increase the pool of insureds. Got to have healthy people in that pool. Apparently the IRS penalty wasn't enough. So insurance companies have began to bail. Ultimately, we need to take the insurance companies completely out of the business model of healthcare.
 

atlkvb

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Ultimately, we need to take the insurance companies completely out of the business model of healthcare

So I gather you favor the Government running Health care as a "single payer"?

If so, we need to take that plan to the voters in 2020.

We have a similar model already...the "VA".

So let's duplicate the "VA" for the rest of the nation. You'd support that right RPJ?
 

bamaEER

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No. I truly want to know what the Left's alternative to Trump's "patient centered market driven reforms" to ACA are?

Is there one?
The ACA is the only plan the dems have had. GOP doesn't have anything substantial enough to even talk about.
 
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atlkvb

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The ACA is the only plan the dems have had. GOP doesn't have anything of substancial enough to even talk about.

That's being hammered out now as we speak bamaEER. We already know how well the ACA has worked. Let's try something else. If that's all your side has to offer..."no thanks".