Dustin Johnson is about to learn a tough lesson

ckDOG

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If you are hitting off sand, don't ground your club unless you cleared it with an official that you are hitting out of a waste bunker and not a hazard. Don't assume anything in the game of golf. That was dumb.
 

ckDOG

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If you are hitting off sand, don't ground your club unless you cleared it with an official that you are hitting out of a waste bunker and not a hazard. Don't assume anything in the game of golf. That was dumb.
 

hotdigitydog

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actually give him......I know a rule is a rule but that appears to be a b.s. call, IMO......Again, I'm not up on the rules.........Are these umpires the same ones that Alabama uses?
 

KingBarkus

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What is dumb is having people standing in a "bunker". It should have been designated a waste area.

Far too many bunkers on the course...and off it.

Rules are rules and a PGA official is now claiming notices were posted.
 

ckDOG

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That sand was fairly compacted, so grounding his club didn't really help him out like it would have had it been a fluffy lie.

However, listening to official being interviewed right now, it's hard to feel bad for Dustin seeing how emphasized this matter was during the week. He was clearly hitting off of sand, he should have known better and erred on the side of caution.
 

benatmsu

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thatsbaseball said:
I`ve never seen the fans allowed to stand in a sand trap</p>

That's my only contention... but when all is said and done, when you're hitting off sand the responsibility falls back on you to get a ruling.
 

BriantheDawg

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hotdigitydog said:
actually give him......I know a rule is a rule but that appears to be a b.s. call, IMO......Again, I'm not up on the rules.........Are these umpires the same ones that Alabama uses?
in its rules. If it was clearly explained to all the players before the event and they really had signs posted in the locker room, then they got the call right. It sucks for D Johnson, but rules are rules.
 

BriantheDawg

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The guy got screwed no doubt, but it was apparently something that was emphasized throughout the week. You gotta err on the side of caution there.
 

Hair of the Dawg

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that was an unusual situation. HOWEVER, it was obviously a point of emphasis all week...so I don't feel bad for him. That's why they have rule sheets DJ, and as you said, "maybe next time you read it a little better".
 

jbulldog

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it was the most ridiculous thing I have seen in a long time. There were literally100's of spectators standing in that "bunker" when the golf ball was hit into them. It had no appearance of a bunker....at least what you could see of it. If the other two remaining had refused to play it would have been awesome, and if the PGA had threatened them with some kind of action then every golfer everywhere could have said we won't play either. Sometimes a point just needs to be made. The guy was ripped off in my humble opinion.
 

ckDOG

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It had no appearance of a bunker.

I'd agree with you if it wasn't for the sand the ball was resting on. Sure, it wasn't nicely groomed like most bunkers. But, you could clearly tell the ball was on sand. It wasn't even borderline dirt. There was fine grain sand under the ball. It was just slightly compacted from the crowds. His first thought when approaching that ball should have been "can I ground my club?".

He should have asked for a ruling. He's the only person that can do that. It all goes back on him. Bubba or Kaymer would have been penalized the same.
 

bulliegolfer

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they should have intervened and explained what he was dealing with in his position. The Golf Channel just said the USGA did that in a tournament they had there, but the PGA said they chose not to 'hover' over the golfer. Just be there if they had a question. But it does fall back on the player. The rules were posted.
 

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I'd like to have seen Dustin Johnson go ape **** in the scoring room. I mean just start throwing ****, breaking windows. ect. It would've made for great TV.
 

ckDOG

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Spectators are usually in spots where the players don't want to end up in the first place. If they hit a spectator and somehow that makes the situation worse, then I guess that sucks for the golfer. But, I'd be willing to assume that for ever 1 time a golfer ends up in a worse position because of a spectator, there is at least 1 time that ball deflects off the crowd and into a better position than where the ball was heading. Crowds are generally shields to crappy locations during tournaments.
 

megadawgmaniac

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Does "grounding your club" mean the head of the club touches the ground before you hit the ball during the swing? If so, holy ish.

AA - seriously?
 

jacksonreb1

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rule is to prevent the opportunity of gaining advantage and takes the subjective judgement out of the decision. earlier in the yr a guy was hitting a ball out of about 2 inches of water. as he addressed the ball you could see on very slow motion replay about 3 drops of water drip from his clubhead. called the penalty. the thing about w-straits is there are so many of those waste bunkers all over the place you literally couldn't have a gallery see the match without having some in those bunkers. it also should be said that he hit that particular shot so far right that it would have been outside any roped designated area anyway. i hate it for the kid. i'll be a fan of his from now on. he handled it with class.</p>
 

anon1751035439

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Before you swing, as you swing the club back and forth, you can't touch the surface like you would on a green. At least that's my understanding.
 

lowbird

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That's why they'll take practice swings outside the hazard line to get a feel for the rough. You can touch whatever when the club is swinging through just not at address or in the backswing.
 

o_Hot Rock

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Here is another twist. Dustin's caddy had already incurred the penalty before Dustin ever got near the ball. Apparently, the caddy had put the bag down in the bunker as well. It would not have matter if he ground his club or not, the infraction had already happened when the caddy put the equipment down in the bunker. Oh, there is only one penalty for both instances. You don't get penalized twice.

Neither, Dustin or his caddy had read the local rules sheet. I can't understand how you play in a major tournament and not read the local rules sheet.
 

Shmuley

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was interviewed by golf channel after the deal and reported that the tournament staff taped up copies of the very rule that DJ (and his caddy) violated on the bathroom mirrors in the players' locker room. This was in addition to their normal procedure of publishing the local tournament rules.

That's on DJ and his caddy.
 

DerHntr

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when he chose the spot to drop his golf ball after hitting it in the water, he had just picked up his golf bag from where the caddy had laid it down in the rough. it didn't end up helping him since he chunked it over the green and into a bunker but i was watching it with a friend and both of us were amazed nothing was said about it.
 

shsdawg

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is. I asked him that exact question. He says that if you are heavily dependent on muscle perception, as opposed to eye/hand coordination, to guide your swing thengrounding the clubdoes give you a big advantage. I personally have no idea.