Dykes nailed why we have mass transfers- 100% nailed it

[clydefrazier]

I think it was first half when Renardo didnt move, stood flat footed, didnt bother to help and backed out of the way when the 6'1 gurard drove the lane for an easy layup. Dykes then said "Thats a team killer and by that I mean when you are watching film and your out there busting it for 30 seconds on Defense and you see this guy not giving any effort or even trying and yet he continues to get his minutes and his touches on offense and doenst get pulled, you have to think that kills the team"

See Osby, Delks, Hansborough We have become target practice for the entire college basketball media, print and television.

 

[MadDawg.sixpack]

but not on the others. The Delks didn't leave because they didn't want to play defense. They left because they thought they were lottery picks for the draft, and Stans wasn't "showcasing" their talents enough.

 

[SyonaraStanz]

.. they realized they would receive no development from Stans and gang to give them any shot at reaching the next level.

Some of these kids aren't stupid, and they realize the lack of coaching and player development going on in the MSU basketball program.

 

[Mr Meoff]

Jamont Gordon. He came in, did what he wanted, and basically didn't care what the coaches said. Now, he was able to make up for a lot of that bad attitude by being a hell of a player, and trying hard to win every game. But you remember our "offense" at the end of every game? It was the Jamoney show -- everybody else on the floor might as well go take a seat on the bench and watch with the rest of us.

So now it's Sidney. He just wants to know when he's going to get his touches. No defense, no rebounding effort, etc. etc. And he gets away with everything. Bailey and Sidney fight? Bailey leaves. Ravern and Sidney tweet? Ravern gets suspended. This definitely wears on the team.

I know the reasons Stansbury can't discipline Sidney, but unless he figures out a way to get through to him, this could stay ugly for awhile.

 

[dawgs.sixpack]

this will come across as a bit of stans defending i know, and i've never been a stans hater, but i'm definitely in the "i wouldn't be upset to see him leave at the end of the season" crowd.<div>
</div><div>but we've had plenty of guards develop into very good college players under stans: zim, bowers, winsome, stewart, and bost. not a single one of those guys got an extended look in the nba. i think kids should refuse to believe that only an extreme small number of players actually make it in the nba for more than a few games. there are basically ~450 players in the nba including practice players and injured players. these players are spread out between the ages of 19 and ~35. 80-85 of these players are also foreign born, so only about ~365 american born players are on the 15 man nba rosters at any given time. the delks didn't have that kinda talent and never would have had that kinda talent even if they had been given sympathy scholarships to duke by coach K and spent 4 straight years living, eating, and breathing what coach K was coaching.</div><div>
</div><div>so spare me the "they left cause they wanted to make the league" crap. if they aren't aware enough to recognize their own limitations, then so be it. sooner or later they were bound to find out and if they thought they were the next kobe, or even the next carlos delfino, then by all means, go ahead and transfer to sit the bench at louisville and barely average double figures at troy.</div>

 

[lowcountrydawg.sixpack]

was averaging 24 and 18 and played anything resembling defense, I could understand the special treatment. What's mind boggling is Stans is letting him do whatever he wants off of the court, in exchange for numbers I think Lewis could get- not to mention Lewis can rebound, play decent D, and not look like Week 5 of "The Biggest Loser" on a fast break.

 

[KurtRambis4]

yes they are stupid. If they thought that they were lottery picks with a different coach, then they are stupid. They could have Phil Jackson coaching them and they wouldn't be lottery picks.

 

[SyonaraStanz]

I'm sure these kids realize they aren't lottery picks, but they probably think that with hard work and decent coaching, then they have a "shot" at a second round pick.

Basically, they have a better chance at developing into a good/great player under someone not named Rick Stansbury.

 

[MaroonedNdaRock]

What Meoff said is the reason they left. It was not because they thought they were lottery picks or for a practice facility. One Delk wanted to start at PG and Jamont took the position. So one left because of that and the other left because it was his brother. Hans left because of the handling (lack there of) of Jamont. I'm not saying the Delks and Hans were right but in general people don't like it when they are held accountable for things and others are not. You just can not do that but that seems to be the situation with Shug and this team too.

 

[klerushund]

...where it doesn't matter whyany of them left.<div>
</div><div>Enough players have left now that the individual reasons don't really matter. Stansbury is the common denominator in all the transfers. He must go.</div>

 

[dawgs.sixpack]

Hans left because of the handling (lack there of) of Jamont.

actually every story i heard about hans from students on campus when he was at msu was that he basically showed up at msu and couldn't wait to prove he could play major conf basketball (we were his only major conf offer, remember?) and transfer to a more prestigious basketball school. he would tell other students as much from the day he stepped on campus. his brother went to unc and dammit, he wanted to go somewhere that had more of a ring to it than "mississippi state". his progression at ND pretty much mirrors the exact same path he was already on at msu. and remember he's in a 5th year at ND now, a year he wouldn't have had if he hadn't sat out a year as a transfer. <div>
</div><div>look, i think there are more than enough reasons to hate on stans, but let's ***** about the right things.</div>

 

[MaroonedNdaRock]

Well I heard rumors too and not from 18-22 year olds. They were Hans and daddy were not happy with the offense. If they were right or wrong is a different argument but that was basically the real reason.

And if you don't think that lack of leadership and authority By the HC is something to ***** about.....well then I can understand you being lost in the smoke screen.

 

[dawgs.sixpack]

Well I heard rumors too and not from 18-22 year olds. They were Hans and daddy were not happy with the offense. If they were right or wrong is a different argument but that was basically the real reason.

And if you don't think that lack of leadership and authority By the HC is something to ***** about.....well then I can understand you being lost in the smoke screen.

i'm just saying that from what i've heard through people who had personal contact with hansbrough is that his desire to transfer had nothing to do with leadership and authority and everything to do with the perceived prestige of the basketball program.

 

[KurtRambis4]

are being an idiot on this and I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you.

 

[dogfan96]

he transfers to the basketball powerhouse that is Notre Dame? I know they have a bigger name in general than MSU but as far as basketball goes, they're not a "big-time" program by any stretch

 

[dawgs.sixpack]

he transfers to the basketball powerhouse that is Notre Dame? I know they have a bigger name in general than MSU but as far as basketball goes, they're not a "big-time" program by any stretch

i said "perceived" and yeah, they have a much longer history,they've been to 30 ncaa tourneys,and they are in the big east. about the only thing we can hold over them is we've been to a final 4 in 1996, and they went in 1978. <div>
</div><div>if you go ask 100 random college basketball fans which is the better program whether ever or in the last 30 or 20 or 10 years or whatever time frame you wish to put on it, 99 of them would say ND. and the 1 dissenter would happen to be a msu fan.</div>

 

[clydefrazier]

Sidney and certain guys do whatever the hell they want and others get yanked for a travel call. Read where Osby was doing extremely well at Oklahoma and their coach could not say enough good things about him. We'll see.

 

[SyonaraStanz]

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[fishwater99]

Jamont Gordon. He came in, did what he wanted, and basically didn't care what the coaches said. Now, he was able to make up for a lot of that bad attitude by being a hell of a player, and trying hard to win every game. But you remember our "offense" at the end of every game? <span style="font-weight: bold;"> It was the Jamoney show -- everybody else on the floor might as well go take a seat on the bench and watch with the rest of us.</span>

<span style="font-weight: bold;">So now it's Sidney. He just wants to know when he's going to get his touches. No defense, no rebounding effort, etc. etc. And he gets away with everything. Bailey and Sidney fight? Bailey leaves. Ravern and Sidney tweet? Ravern gets suspended. This definitely wears on the team.</span>

I know the reasons Stansbury can't discipline Sidney, but unless he figures out a way to get through to him, this could stay ugly for awhile.

He is Stans new guy, he can do no wrong and we just have to sit back and watch the show.......

 

[fishwater99]

Hans left b/c J-Money was Stans go-to guy. He made bad decisions on the floor without any repercussions. Ben got tired of watching the J-Money Show and took his talents elsewhere, it's that plain and simple. J-Money would take bad shot after bad shot, try to run over a player in the lane and get called for a foul etc.. Stans no offense besides give the ball to Jamont and for the rest of the players to stand around and get the rebound if he misses...

 

[dogfan96]

in the college basketball landscape as a whole.. name one ND player in the NBA right now.. yeah I know there are a few but nobody worth mentioning