E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!! Birds - Bears '25 game thread

[Tom McAndrew]

3rd & 5, Bears do a long count, and then the Birds jump offside. That leaves a 3rd & 1, and the Birds tackle in the backfield, to make it 4th & 4. Bears run the clock down to 1:15, and call TO. They go for it, but don't convert, so the Birds take over on downs with 1:12 left, ball on their own 30

 

[KingLando]

No you don’t. You don’t know if you are going to make the 2 pt on your second try. It’s better to have that information earlier.

I get both sides--I understand the logic here. I understand the math here.
I understand the strategy behind it though and I'm kicking the XP--I'm anti-chasing points.
Not saying the decision was wrong--just not what i would have done

 

[s1uggo72]

If they called that holding they missed 15 other holding calls

 

[Ludd]

3rd & 5, Bears do a long count, and then the Birds jump offside. That leaves a 3rd & 1, and the Birds tackle in the backfield, to make it 4th & 4. Bears run the clock down to 1:15, and call TO. They go for it, but don't convert, so the Birds take over on downs with 1:12 left, ball on their own 30

Maybe enough time to score once, but not twice.

 

[Nikko57]

Here’s the question, if you get the ball back with two minutes left in the game, would you rather be down 8 or 9? It’s pretty much that simple.

Or would you rather be down by seven than down by eight?

 

[Tom McAndrew]

Birds to attempt a 52-yard FG, with 0:13 left ...

and the kick curves wide left; no good

Final: 24-15, Bears.

what a piss-poor performance by the Birds, on all sides of the ball.

 

[WestSideLion]

Or would you rather be down by seven than down by eight?

It’s a moot point with how they were playing on offense. They weren’t going to win this game. The Hurts fumble was the death blow.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

 

[Tom McAndrew]

 

[s1uggo72]

It’s time to face the fact that the Eagles are merely “okay” this year. They aren’t the contender we’d hoped they were.

12 games in, we know all we need to. The offense is broken, again, despite having the highest cap allocation in the NFL. Some of that is coaching and some is on OL injuries. Some is on Hurts and other players not being consistent.

But this team will struggle to win 11 games this year. I think it’s a coin flip on whether Dallas wins the division. The Eagles are in free fall.

You love the drama. Free fall?

 

[Tom McAndrew]

 

[Erial_Lion]

I thought basic strategy is to give yourself a chance to win for as long as possible?

With 3 mins left, you have to allow for a winning scenario on the game board. Missing the conversion eliminates any scenario.

The goal should be to win, and all decisions should be focused on that, not on simply staying in the game.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

 

[LionJim]

I don’t need to wait until the end of the game to feel that the Eagles aren’t winning the SB.

Nolo contendere.

 

[Tom McAndrew]

Eagles Week 13 stock watch: Philly's defense forgets to stop the run against Bears

The pass rush looked good, but who cares? The Eagles were decimated on the ground for their second straight loss.

www.phillyvoice.com

 

[Tom McAndrew]

The pivotal plays from a listless Eagles loss to the Bears

Bears running backs D'Andre Swift and Kyle Monangai tore the Eagles up on the ground, while Jalen Hurts and the offense continued to spiral.

www.phillyvoice.com

 

[WestSideLion]

You love the drama. Free fall?

Championship teams don’t lose back to back games. Let alone twice in the same season.

And have you been following the trajectory on offense? It isn’t getting better.

Just wait until they have to fly to LA next week.

 

[s1uggo72]

Championship teams don’t lose back to back games. Let alone twice in the same season.

And have you been following the trajectory on offense? It isn’t getting better.

Just wait until they have to fly to LA next week.

They’ll be relaxed n kick Jimo ***

 

[Grant Green]

Better to know the game is out of reach earlier?

Better to know how to call plays, time outs etc earlier to still give your team an outside chance. Waiting until the second td does absolutely nothing.

 

[Grant Green]

I get both sides--I understand the logic here. I understand the math here.
I understand the strategy behind it though and I'm kicking the XP--I'm anti-chasing points.
Not saying the decision was wrong--just not what i would have done

Chasing points? That makes zero sense. You need 15 points so you have to go for two at some point. What is the benefit to wait?

 

[Erial_Lion]

Better to know how to call plays, time outs etc earlier to still give your team an outside chance. Waiting until the second td does absolutely nothing.

Yea, it was the obvious example of why to go for 2 earlier since it also drove the decision on whether to kick deep or go onsides.

 

[s1uggo72]

Chasing points? That makes zero sense. You need 15 points so you have to go for two at some point. What is the benefit to wait?

So you needed 15 points go for 2 and fail on the first one now you need 9. Not enough time for 9. Kick it, now you r down by 8 and u have a chance to tie. And go to TO Down 9 you have no chance

 

[NittPicker]

The goal should be to win, and all decisions should be focused on that, not on simply staying in the game.

Seems to me like playing to win and playing to stay in the game are the same thing. Take yourself out of the game and you aren't going to win.

 

[Grant Green]

So you needed 15 points go for 2 and fail on the first one now you need 9. Not enough time for 9. Kick it, now you r down by 8 and u have a chance to tie. And go to TO Down 9 you have no chance

And if you don’t get the 2 on the second time you don’t have enough time either. At least missing it on the first try allows you to make calls that could save a few seconds. It’s such a simple concept and 100% correct.

 

[Ludd]

Or would you rather be down by seven than down by eight?

It’s just like in baseball when you’re down one in the bottom of the ninth and you sacrifice the runner to second hoping to score him. You need two to win, but one to stay alive. By going for two when he did, missing it ends your game.

 

[Grant Green]

Yea, it was the obvious example of why to go for 2 earlier since it also drove the decision on whether to kick deep or go onsides.

I really don’t know why we keep trying to explain these things. Deaf ears.

 

[s1uggo72]

And if you don’t get the 2 on the second time you don’t have enough time either. At least missing it on the first try allows you to make calls that could save a few seconds. It’s such a simple concept and 100% correct.

No you are wrong here

 

[Ludd]

The goal should be to win, and all decisions should be focused on that, not on simply staying in the game.

Playing for OT is also a strategy to try and win especially at home.

 

[Ludd]

Better to know how to call plays, time outs etc earlier to still give your team an outside chance. Waiting until the second td does absolutely nothing.

Sure it does…you need to score a TD, that’s how you call plays and time outs. Whether you’re down 8 or 7, you still need a TD first.

 

[Ludd]

Yea, it was the obvious example of why to go for 2 earlier since it also drove the decision on whether to kick deep or go onsides.

It simply decided the game earlier. If you don’t get it, game is over.

 

[KingLando]

Chasing points? That makes zero sense. You need 15 points so you have to go for two at some point. What is the benefit to wait?

The benefit of waiting is that your aren't forced to onside kick it there if you miss...which was also discussed during the game
JMO...doesn't make me right...I'm only going for 2 when there's no other option. It's simply what strategy you prefer. Coaches are too tied to what a chart says without thinking through scenarios. The likelihood of recovering an onside kick negates the value of going for two IMO and we saw that play out.

 

[KingLando]

The goal should be to win, and all decisions should be focused on that, not on simply staying in the game.

Only in order to win a game you have to be in it...

 

[s1uggo72]

Besides none of this matters When the D plays with no pride and the O plays w less it’s tough to win

 

[KingLando]

And if you don’t get the 2 on the second time you don’t have enough time either. At least missing it on the first try allows you to make calls that could save a few seconds. It’s such a simple concept and 100% correct.

Follow the logic but it completely alters the play calling. Getting stopped there does more damage than converting does good

 

[Ludd]

No you are wrong here

It’s called differing opinions, people are allowed to have them. If I was coaching, I would look at it as in the worst case scenario, what keeps me still in the game.

 

[KingLando]

Besides none of this matters When the D plays with no pride and the O plays w less it’s tough to win

Also sad but true

 

[Ludd]

Besides none of this matters When the D plays with no pride and the O plays w less it’s tough to win

Solid point.

 

[Grant Green]

No you are wrong here

Well thought out rebuttal. How do argue with that?

 

[Ludd]

Does anyone recall this being a thing back in the day? Being down 15 and going for two on the first TD? I don’t think I ever saw it until recently.

 

[Erial_Lion]

Seems to me like playing to win and playing to stay in the game are the same thing. Take yourself out of the game and you aren't going to win.

But they aren’t (as this example shows). Another example…you’re down 9 points with 4 minutes left and have 4th and Goal from the 1 inch line. Kicking the FG keeps you in the game…but going for the TD increases your chances of winning.