What about fourth and goal from the 9 yard line? Same math, but you kick the field goal. It’s about the situation and staying alive with three minutes left is better than not giving yourself enough time to do anything.
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You’re forced to onside kick if you miss on the second attempt so that argument is a wash.
So now you're adding "increasing your chances of winning" into the mix?? That wasn't a factor in the discussion. In your example above, both options keep you in the game and give you a chance to win.
Being down 15 was much more rare back in the day. Moving the XP back has opened up the NFL scoring distribution much more widely.
From the 9 you kick the FG, since that’s the decision that maximizes the chances of winning.
Are you implying that you’d also kick the FG if you’re inches away to extend the game?
Correct--if you miss the second one but it alters how you get there
You'd rather chase being down 2 scores earlier--I'm not putting myself in that position because that's how I believe coaches lose games. Like they lost today.
Increasing your chances of winning should always be what drives every decision.
Because you don't comprehend the discussion--you were correct only about you'd have to onside kick in that scenario which a 2 year old knows. So, congrats for being as smart as a 2 year old???
Not inches, but where does math overcome common sense? Two yards, three, four? The point is you have to look at the situation over the math or the analytics.
The other point we aren’t factoring is that Elliott already missed one PAT earlier. Maybe Nick weighed that too?
You’re using the math/analytics to come to that decision. Analytics don’t tell you “always go for the TD”. They weight the odds of converting it and determine the right call. I’d guess it’s something like the 4 or 5 that changes things from go to kick the FG.
Rather be down one score or two? Especially when your possessions are running out.
Eagles vs. Bears instant observations: Run defense, lingering issues have officially started Birds' slide
Remember the infamous Eagles collapse of 2023? Two consecutive losses, the latest against the Bears on Black Friday, are providing those flashbacks.
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Anybody who thinks he’s the problem isn’t paying attention. There was an instant replay on the nfl channel. Now the D they played today reminded me of 2023. Nobody played w pride. They were pushed all over the field. At this point I think I’d resign Jordan Davis over Jalen Carter. At least Jordan hustled some
Hopefully this loss lights a fire under the players a$$es. It's on them! Hurts is NOT seeing the field and wide open receivers. D is a total sieve. Although credit to the Bear's O line and running back. That guy runs hard.
DB of the year award to the Bear's HC tearing his shirt off in the locker room after the game
DB of the year award to the Bear's HC tearing his shirt off in the locker room after the game
I've read most of the rationale. Probably a "me" issue. Doesn't make sense to me. But, I do tend to think in the negative. coaches think they're going to make it. Also, the Eagles already missed an extra point. That said, I would always kick after the first TD to make it a one score game. A miss = 2 score game. I'd rather need one score than two.
Patullo has done what no coach could do last year, shut down Saquon Barkley….now that’s a feat in itself.
It's too late to fix the Eagles' offense
The Eagles lost to the Bears with the same offensive problems they've been dealing with all season, and 13 weeks into the season, it's highly doubtful they'll suddenly fix all of it.
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Man, just wanted to say sorry from Chicagoland. It was rude to run for 280+ as guests. We’ll be better next time.
I skimmed this one. There’s no sense in abusing myself more than I already have.
I met a fellow Eagles fan for breakfast this morning. We are both in the “collapse” camp. We’ve seen this movie before under Nick.
He’s a championship coach, but his stubborn style makes correcting these slides a problem. I think they have to wait until the offseason to try and do that.
Agreed. The problems were (1) missing the PAT and (2) worse going for 2 down 9 rather than making it an 8 point one score game because some nerd sitting at a computer said “analytics” says go for it.
Jack people up? He was spinning around in circles looked to me the TE won that battle
I usually avoid Eagles threads but as a Bears fan I'm just now going back to read this for the entertainment. But the Bears took the ball so that they would be able to choose to play with the wind in the 4th quarter, which given the conditions could have been a factor. I love Ben Johnson, we finally have a competent coach.