Elijah Brown Grad Transfer

Max_Power

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Jon Rothstein per twitter: New Mexico grad transfer Elijah Brown tells me he's cut his list to Iowa State, Northwestern, Oregon, Saint Marys and Gonzaga.

Mike Brown's kid started college career at Butler. 6'4 guard averaged 18.8 pt 5 rebounds per game last season.
 

DaCat

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Sounds interesting but is he a 1 or a 2? It seems we have enough shooting guards.
 

Deeringfish

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Jon Rothstein per twitter: New Mexico grad transfer Elijah Brown tells me he's cut his list to Iowa State, Northwestern, Oregon, Saint Marys and Gonzaga.

Mike Brown's kid started college career at Butler. 6'4 guard averaged 18.8 pt 5 rebounds per game last season.

This implies that he has some sort of offer from NU, Yes?
 

willycat

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Sounds interesting but is he a 1 or a 2? It seems we have enough shooting guards.
After Lindsey, there is exactly who? OK, maybe Brown but another guard is necessary if NU wants to repeat last season.
 

JournCat

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This could be an interesting fit, though there are some potential issues from a quick glance at KenPom. Brown was 30th in offensive usage last year, which is a polite way of calling him something of a ball hog. Mac was 190th by comparison. Brown scored a lot of points, but had a lower effective FG percentage than Lindsey and Law. But he did draw a ton of fouls, which would be a great skill to add to our team since Mac is the only player who can create offense with consistency, and he shot decently from 3. I think he could conceivably be a sixth man who collects 20-25 minutes a game at the 1, 2, and 3 positions, and maybe playing with all three starters in small-ball lineups.
 

NJCat

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This could be an interesting fit, though there are some potential issues from a quick glance at KenPom. Brown was 30th in offensive usage last year, which is a polite way of calling him something of a ball hog. Mac was 190th by comparison. Brown scored a lot of points, but had a lower effective FG percentage than Lindsey and Law. But he did draw a ton of fouls, which would be a great skill to add to our team since Mac is the only player who can create offense with consistency, and he shot decently from 3. I think he could conceivably be a sixth man who collects 20-25 minutes a game at the 1, 2, and 3 positions, and maybe playing with all three starters in small-ball lineups.

Not to mention the potential confusion from having 2 Guards named Brown on the team......
 

Windy City Cat Fan

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Jon Rothstein per twitter: New Mexico grad transfer Elijah Brown tells me he's cut his list to Iowa State, Northwestern, Oregon, Saint Marys and Gonzaga.

Mike Brown's kid started college career at Butler. 6'4 guard averaged 18.8 pt 5 rebounds per game last season.
Did his dad play for Doug Collins when he was with the bulls or is that a different mike brown?
 

scru

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21.7 pts per game in 2015/16, first team all MWC. 2016/17 MWC preseason player of the year. Had some issues with a hamstring which may have contributed to the falloff in scoring. Would be a heck of an addition and create some healthy competition for playing time at the 2. Can definitely shoot the ball. Comfortable with the ball in his hands. Lots to like here.
 

Secho99

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Jon Rothstein per twitter: New Mexico grad transfer Elijah Brown tells me he's cut his list to Iowa State, Northwestern, Oregon, Saint Marys and Gonzaga.

Mike Brown's kid started college career at Butler. 6'4 guard averaged 18.8 pt 5 rebounds per game last season.

Given how well things worked out for Jordan Mathews at Gonzaga this year and that they could be offering a starting spot, they seem to be the most attractive landing spot for a high-level grad transfer, though they may need inside help more imminently if Collins goes to the NBA.

Would we clear a starting spot for this guy? I can't imagine a 20 ppg guy showing up and settling for a limited bench role. Nor am I sold that a ball-dominant 2 is what we need anyway, given that we already have a guy named Brown who's in that mold.

Edit: I see that this Gonzaga site isn't crazy about Brown: http://www.slipperstillfits.com/2017/4/7/15220244/elijah-brown-transfer-gonzaga-bulldogs-list
 

willycat

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Given how well things worked out for Jordan Mathews at Gonzaga this year and that they could be offering a starting spot, they seem to be the most attractive landing spot for a high-level grad transfer, though they may need inside help more imminently if Collins goes to the NBA.

Would we clear a starting spot for this guy? I can't imagine a 20 ppg guy showing up and settling for a limited bench role. Nor am I sold that a ball-dominant 2 is what we need anyway, given that we already have a guy named Brown who's in that mold.

Edit: I see that this Gonzaga site isn't crazy about Brown: http://www.slipperstillfits.com/2017/4/7/15220244/elijah-brown-transfer-gonzaga-bulldogs-list
Hell yes, NU would make a spot for this guy. Don't think Collins would turn his back on a 20 ppg player. Don't recall Brown averaging nearly 20 ppg or even close to half of that. Remember the most obvious need for next season's success is a guard to take the pressure off of Mac.
 

Deeringfish

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Given how well things worked out for Jordan Mathews at Gonzaga this year and that they could be offering a starting spot, they seem to be the most attractive landing spot for a high-level grad transfer, though they may need inside help more imminently if Collins goes to the NBA.

Would we clear a starting spot for this guy? I can't imagine a 20 ppg guy showing up and settling for a limited bench role. Nor am I sold that a ball-dominant 2 is what we need anyway, given that we already have a guy named Brown who's in that mold.

Edit: I see that this Gonzaga site isn't crazy about Brown: http://www.slipperstillfits.com/2017/4/7/15220244/elijah-brown-transfer-gonzaga-bulldogs-list
Yeah, not very complimentary
 

TheC

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Yeah, not very complimentary
Good.... that way if he doesn't pick us we can all sit around and convince each other it was a good thing. Of course, if he does pick us, then bar the door and turn off the lights folks because we have a monster star coming our way!!
 

willycat

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Good.... that way if he doesn't pick us we can all sit around and convince each other it was a good thing. Of course, if he does pick us, then bar the door and turn off the lights folks because we have a monster star coming our way!!
Watch out, you're sounding like an Illinois fan.
 

FloridAlum

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Watch out, you're sounding like an Illinois fan.

We have rules around here regarding name-calling, and that was a pretty bad one.I will let it go this time because you said that he sounded like an Illinois fan as opposed to actually calling him an Illinois fan.

PS I have met TheC, and he ain't no stinking Punkin head
 

TheC

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We have rules around here regarding name-calling, and that was a pretty bad one.I will let it go this time because you said that he sounded like an Illinois fan as opposed to actually calling him an Illinois fan.

PS I have met TheC, and he ain't no stinking Punkin head
Thank you Fla for stepping in, because otherwise, we were talking pistols at dawn for that!
 

FloridAlum

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OK I'm back. They want to know if this matter can be settled with a simple slap on the wrist and a free beverage.
 

ricko6543211

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Yeah, not very complimentary
Yeah I'm not sure he's complementary either, but I'd trust CC to figure out better whether he can adjust his game to fit into how we will play next year with BMac Scottie Vic etc on the perimeter.

Having another person that can create his own shot late in the clock would certainly help. But more so if he can do it with some reasonable level of offensive efficiency.
 

Deeringfish

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Yeah I'm not sure he's complementary either, but I'd trust CC to figure out better whether he can adjust his game to fit into how we will play next year with BMac Scottie Vic etc on the perimeter.

Having another person that can create his own shot late in the clock would certainly help. But more so if he can do it with some reasonable level of offensive efficiency.

Totally agree, as fans we get a tiny amount of information, redacted by a wide range of expertise and lack of it. CC and the staff are way more informed in all aspects.
 

evanston09

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I saw him as a freshman at Butler. Kelly and Journcat did a very good job of describing him. He does score a lot of points, but in about the least satisfying way possible. Just a ton of shots. If he played at NU I would expect him to score 10-12 ppg in about 22 mpg. He also doesn't play defense.
That being said, he is an extremely hard worker.
 
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That being said, he is an extremely hard worker.

That's a trait this (every?) staff wants to see throughout their roster.

Perhaps hard work, coupled with Brown's potential upside (microwave offense/ability to create his own shot), may be enough for CC to take flier if the interest is mutual. The coaching staff has done a fantastic job developing talent during their tenure in Evanston. I could see Brown being attracted to aspect of the program as well as the allure of playing for high major capable of making (and doing damage) in the NCAA tournament.
 
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evanston09

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That's a trait this (every?) staff wants to see throughout their roster.

Perhaps hard work, coupled with Brown's potential upside (microwave offense/ability to create his own shot), may be enough for CC to take flier if the interest is mutual. The coaching staff has done a fantastic job developing talent during their tenure in Evanston. I could see Brown being attracted to aspect of the program as well as the allure of playing for high major capable of making (and doing damage) in the NCAA tournament.

When he left Butler, he left to seek a more high profile feel to a prgogram. While there is certainly a bit of irony in that, I also think it's a bit of a red flag. While he certainly could have changed, I don't think it bodes too well for NU. It's a weird situation with him, because you have all these indicators of a me first guy, with a kid who really is a good kid off the court. Guys don't necessarily love playing with him though.
 

Katatonic

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How is EB's defense?

The 'Cats won by playing good D last season first and foremost and that came with having an athletic center in Pardon and 3 athletic wings (with Lumpkin being versatile enough to guard all 5 positions).

While Gaines shows a lot of promise, as the NCAA Tourney has shown, having experience is a big factor (as well as defense and having good guard play, in particular, PG), so if EB plays D (to go along with his ability to break down a D), then would be a very good addition.

This would give CC the flexibility to go with a small ball rotation depending on the match-ups w/ BMac (1), EB (2), Scotty (3), Law (4) and Pardon (5).

And when the 'Cats play a bigger lineup (Falzon or Rap at the 4), then EB would split time at the guard spots (not sure if he is the type of player to go for that, tho).
 

scru

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Interesting situation developing at Oregon that could influence Brown's decision. Oregon G Tyler Dorsey has declared for draft and signed with agent. Their two other stars, Brooks and Bell, haven't decided yet. Should they stay, Brown could potentially plug in for Dorsey on a very good team with 11th ranked recruiting class coming in. However, if the two decide to go pro, Oregon I believe becomes less attractive if Brown is looking for a team that could potentially make a run.

It is an interesting set of dominoes about to fall over the next handfull of days. I hope it doesn't take too long... the suspense is too much, waiting to see what CCC and staff do to fill out the 2017/18 roster.

TBH, my ideal scenario for best possible 17/18 roster is landing Brown as a grad transfer and Clifton Moore as a freshman. E Brown would, in my scenario, platoon with Lindsey and Law as wings with nearly equal playing time over the season, sticking more with the hot hand from game to game. AG provides good competitive depth at wing. Moore provides more depth at the 4 and has time to develop behind Falzon and Rap; redshirt if possible as was planned for Pardon. Skelly plugs in at 4 or 5 off bench depending on matchups and/or to provide energy when needed. I Brown backs up BMac with Ash as depth.

The good news for me is that I think this scenario is still very much possible. The Cats would be a very tough out. I think one of I Brown or Ash will emerge as a very capable backup at the lead guard position this season, so I'm less concerned about finding a PG in this recruiting cycle.

This is, of course, all predicated on E Brown buying into the system on both ends of the floor. Gotta play all out defense when in the game, and need to seek quality shots or create for others. Being a coaches' son, I have to imagine he's very coachable.
 

willycat

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Interesting situation developing at Oregon that could influence Brown's decision. Oregon G Tyler Dorsey has declared for draft and signed with agent. Their two other stars, Brooks and Bell, haven't decided yet. Should they stay, Brown could potentially plug in for Dorsey on a very good team with 11th ranked recruiting class coming in. However, if the two decide to go pro, Oregon I believe becomes less attractive if Brown is looking for a team that could potentially make a run.

It is an interesting set of dominoes about to fall over the next handfull of days. I hope it doesn't take too long... the suspense is too much, waiting to see what CCC and staff do to fill out the 2017/18 roster.

TBH, my ideal scenario for best possible 17/18 roster is landing Brown as a grad transfer and Clifton Moore as a freshman. E Brown would, in my scenario, platoon with Lindsey and Law as wings with nearly equal playing time over the season, sticking more with the hot hand from game to game. AG provides good competitive depth at wing. Moore provides more depth at the 4 and has time to develop behind Falzon and Rap; redshirt if possible as was planned for Pardon. Skelly plugs in at 4 or 5 off bench depending on matchups and/or to provide energy when needed. I Brown backs up BMac with Ash as depth.

The good news for me is that I think this scenario is still very much possible. The Cats would be a very tough out. I think one of I Brown or Ash will emerge as a very capable backup at the lead guard position this season, so I'm less concerned about finding a PG in this recruiting cycle.

This is, of course, all predicated on E Brown buying into the system on both ends of the floor. Gotta play all out defense when in the game, and need to seek quality shots or create for others. Being a coaches' son, I have to imagine he's very coachable.
Nice summation scru, although I can't quit agree with your PG summation. Also, do you or anyone else know f their is a time frame set by the NCAA on when grad transfers can or need to declare?
 

scru

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Nice summation scru, although I can't quit agree with your PG summation. Also, do you or anyone else know f their is a time frame set by the NCAA on when grad transfers can or need to declare?

I don't know, sorry. There is much I wish I knew about spring signing period in BBall, but have never really paid this much attention until now. I find it very odd that in the week where signing opens, apparently it is also a quiet period for recruiting. How does that make any sense? I have much to learn...
 

willycat

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I don't know, sorry. There is much I wish I knew about spring signing period in BBall, but have never really paid this much attention until now. I find it very odd that in the week where signing opens, apparently it is also a quiet period for recruiting. How does that make any sense? I have much to learn...
I was just thinking that grad transfers don't need to adhere to the spring signing period meant for H.S. kids. That is that they can sign anytime, after they graduate of course. Thoughts?
 

scru

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I was just thinking that grad transfers don't need to adhere to the spring signing period meant for H.S. kids. That is that they can sign anytime, after they graduate of course. Thoughts?

Makes sense, but I have no idea.
 

IdahoAlum

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I was just thinking that grad transfers don't need to adhere to the spring signing period meant for H.S. kids. That is that they can sign anytime, after they graduate of course. Thoughts?
I was just looking at a recruiting web site that talked about Grad Transfers. Yes, first they have to graduate from their current school. Then they have to provide documentation that they have been accepted into the graduate program of the school they went to transfer to. And they have to document that the program they have been accepted to is not available at that current school. I'd expect all of that to take some time. But they can certainly announce their "commitment" to transfer to another school anytime they want.
 

willycat

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I was just looking at a recruiting web site that talked about Grad Transfers. Yes, first they have to graduate from their current school. Then they have to provide documentation that they have been accepted into the graduate program of the school they went to transfer to. And they have to document that the program they have been accepted to is not available at that current school. I'd expect all of that to take some time. But they can certainly announce their "commitment" to transfer to another school anytime they want.
Thanks. Be nice to hear that one of these top of the line Grad Transfers announces a commit to NU.
 

scru

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Interesting situation developing at Oregon that could influence Brown's decision. Oregon G Tyler Dorsey has declared for draft and signed with agent. Their two other stars, Brooks and Bell, haven't decided yet. Should they stay, Brown could potentially plug in for Dorsey on a very good team with 11th ranked recruiting class coming in. However, if the two decide to go pro, Oregon I believe becomes less attractive if Brown is looking for a team that could potentially make a run.

It is an interesting set of dominoes about to fall over the next handfull of days. I hope it doesn't take too long... the suspense is too much, waiting to see what CCC and staff do to fill out the 2017/18 roster.

TBH, my ideal scenario for best possible 17/18 roster is landing Brown as a grad transfer and Clifton Moore as a freshman. E Brown would, in my scenario, platoon with Lindsey and Law as wings with nearly equal playing time over the season, sticking more with the hot hand from game to game. AG provides good competitive depth at wing. Moore provides more depth at the 4 and has time to develop behind Falzon and Rap; redshirt if possible as was planned for Pardon. Skelly plugs in at 4 or 5 off bench depending on matchups and/or to provide energy when needed. I Brown backs up BMac with Ash as depth.

The good news for me is that I think this scenario is still very much possible. The Cats would be a very tough out. I think one of I Brown or Ash will emerge as a very capable backup at the lead guard position this season, so I'm less concerned about finding a PG in this recruiting cycle.

This is, of course, all predicated on E Brown buying into the system on both ends of the floor. Gotta play all out defense when in the game, and need to seek quality shots or create for others. Being a coaches' son, I have to imagine he's very coachable.

Oregon F Dillon Brooks has declared for nba draft signing with an agent. He gone, along with Dorsey. I expect Bell will now follow suit. I would think this makes Oregon far less attractive for Brown. We'll see...


http://www.oregonlive.com/ducks/index.ssf/2017/04/dillon_brooks_oregon_career_is.html