EMCC's Colin Borchert will sign with MSU.....
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As usual, all the beat writers stated that Borchert "will sign" with MSU. Then, here comes Gene, less than a minute later, stating that Borchert has "officially signed" with MSU. Always quick on the trigger
I read a thread like this. Coach Ray succeeding would make one hell of a story from where he`s having to start.
what part of this do you not understand ? We let the bastard stay too long just like we did Sherrill and Polk and stupid ***** like you haven`t waked up yet. Now get back to the cash register the guy on pump #4 needs $5 worth of regular.
'running a program into the ground' at MState. Good Lord some of you people are just f'n stupid. I swear. We really do have the dumbest 17'n fanbase in the entire world. I don't even know who would be considered a close 2nd either.
Had Stansbury stayed, he'd have landed Pollard. Hood may have stayed. We weren't going to be very good next year regardless, but this year's class was pretty strong on paper and nowhere near to 'running the program into the ground'.
Now because we let him go, the entire recruiting class bolted and so did another player or 2 that might have stayed. That's what happens when you fire your Coach. But keep blaming the old Coach. You sound ridiculous.
If you're going to place blame on Ray's situtation, put it at the feet of the process of firing your coach. It is what it is. This is nothing like Jackie's situation, no matter how all of the haterz want to make it to be. We just freaking barely missed the mf'ing NCAA Tournament for pete's sake. It's not like we just went 8-24 3 years in a row, which is the equivalent of how Jackie went out.
Had Stansbury stayed, he'd have landed Pollard. Hood may have stayed. We weren't going to be very good next year regardless, but this year's class was pretty strong on paper and nowhere near to 'running the program into the ground'.
Now because we let him go, the entire recruiting class bolted and so did another player or 2 that might have stayed. That's what happens when you fire your Coach. But keep blaming the old Coach. You sound ridiculous.
If you're going to place blame on Ray's situtation, put it at the feet of the process of firing your coach. It is what it is. This is nothing like Jackie's situation, no matter how all of the haterz want to make it to be. We just freaking barely missed the mf'ing NCAA Tournament for pete's sake. It's not like we just went 8-24 3 years in a row, which is the equivalent of how Jackie went out.
You're right. Whoever said shaka smart is warming to the idea of coaching msu, should be ridiculed.
I cannot believe we are signing this kid..He is undersized and cannot finish around the basket, which is what White said in coach speak...he also is very soft...this kid wants to be noticed after everything he does so hopefully ray can knock him down a notch, if not he's a wasted signee...he's got major maturing to do and you dont want that from a juco signee
<span style="font-weight: bold;">As far as the "dumbest fanbase" comments-</span> How many other schools keep Stans after the attrition, fights, underachieving, etc... that became common place at MSU. We may be the dumbest fanbase but I would make that argument on the complete inverse that you are. Lets be clear- what did he win that should have given him a life long pass?BriantheDawg said:
<span style="font-weight: bold;">"If Stansbury stayed, we land Pollard"</span>- no one, and I repeat no one knows that for sure. You dont let 1 recruit influence a program's directions and decisions. That sir is weak 17ing sauce
<span style="font-weight: bold;">"We just freaking barely missed the mf'ing NCAA Tournament for pete's sake"</span>- once again you are wrong. If you really believe we were on the bubble, I dont know what to tell you. We werent in the first 4 out. I call that barely missing it. If barely missing the Ncaa's is an achievement, I agree, we are the dumbest fanbase.
<span style="font-weight: bold;">" Hood may have stayed"</span>- if you believe his words you are wrong again. He and his father said he wanted out. If you think about it, not that hard to comprehend with past attrition
<span style="font-weight: bold;">"We weren't going to be very good next year regardless"</span>- so your coach you adore keeps "barely" missing the tourney and you admit we wont be good again, but he isnt the problem? Seriously?
In summary Mr.BriantheDawg, you have to determine what is acceptable. Stans winning 20 a year (underachieving) is no different than if Mullen starts winning 5 or 6 for a long stretch. You know what you do when that happens? You fire his *** too. Stans didnt even make it hard. If you want to sell mediocrity to me, dont embarrass our school on tv and the media on a yearly basis. I get that you liked Stans, thats fine, doesnt make me think any less of you. This post you just made may be one of the worst I have ever seen. You are now dismantled. Reassemble yourself and tell me why Im wrong
With Rick Stansbury:
PG-Gray-very talented and gym rat
SG-Sword-AL POY and also great talent
SF-Hood/Pollard-You will not convince me otherwise that Stans would have done would it took to keep him and throw in the Mcdonalds AA
PF-Wendell/Ziedaks/Ware- weak link, maybe move pollard here and play small
C- ? whoever it is it would have been a lot better than whoever we are going to get with Ray
W/O Rick Stansbury:
PG-Davis-pray he's another Dee type diamond in the rough
SG-Sword- thanks Stans
SF-Applewho? Bart Hyche also had "toughness"
PF-Wendell/Ziedaks/Ware-Ware is the most talented (thanks Stans)
C-Great white hope Borchert- can fill it up-head case-thought we weren't going after those kids anymore??
PG-Gray-very talented and gym rat
SG-Sword-AL POY and also great talent
SF-Hood/Pollard-You will not convince me otherwise that Stans would have done would it took to keep him and throw in the Mcdonalds AA
PF-Wendell/Ziedaks/Ware- weak link, maybe move pollard here and play small
C- ? whoever it is it would have been a lot better than whoever we are going to get with Ray
W/O Rick Stansbury:
PG-Davis-pray he's another Dee type diamond in the rough
SG-Sword- thanks Stans
SF-Applewho? Bart Hyche also had "toughness"
PF-Wendell/Ziedaks/Ware-Ware is the most talented (thanks Stans)
C-Great white hope Borchert- can fill it up-head case-thought we weren't going after those kids anymore??
my dumbest fanbase comment. There are many dumbass individuals, such as yourself, amongst the conglomerate that is the MState fanbase, as well.
No wonder you didn't know how to respond to this.
Learn how to f'n read, *******.
Stansbury didn't run our motherfukcing program into the ground. Period. How 17'ing hard is that to take away from what I just said? And please tell me sir. Where in the FUKC did I ever say Stansbury shouldn't have been fired?
Again, learn to f'n read, *******.
No wonder you didn't know how to respond to this.
Learn how to f'n read, *******.
Stansbury didn't run our motherfukcing program into the ground. Period. How 17'ing hard is that to take away from what I just said? And please tell me sir. Where in the FUKC did I ever say Stansbury shouldn't have been fired?
Again, learn to f'n read, *******.
because you really do not have a 17n clue what you are talking about. Be sure to do your math homework too.
I quoted you, then specifically bolded your statements and responded to all your points I disagreed with seperately. I would consider that not only reading, but also comprehending and responding. I see a lively, intelligent, well though out debate will not happen and that is too bad. I was looking for a better retort than "learn to read *******, etc..." I will leave it at our individual defintions of: barely missing the tourney, running the program into the ground, success, respectability, and whats acceptable for MSU basketball to be completely different. Thats fine, to each his own
Ware, Sword, and Thomas all stayed. Gray left and Hardwick was a guy we didn't even want and only offered to get Gray. Thus, Rick Ray retained 75% of the relevant recruiting class Stans put together and also brought in a pair of JUCOs and a 3-star High School player.<div>
</div><div>I realize it's easier to just make things up to help your point, though.</div>
</div><div>I realize it's easier to just make things up to help your point, though.</div>
Let me start by saying that it was definitely time to go in a new direction with regards to coaching but saying Stansbury "ran the program into the ground" is ridiculous hyperbole. Stansbury embarrassed us by underachieving and letting players run amok but he did not run it in the ground. <div>
</div><div>One of the reasons we have no players is because we had two integral seniors graduate (Bryant and Bost) and two guys declare early for the draft (Sidney and Moultrie). Most teams would struggle the following season after losing that. Of course losing Deville and Hood made it even worse.</div><div>
</div><div>Even though we were all disappointed in the way the season ended, spending most of the season in the top 25, winning 20+ games, and making the NIT is not hitting rock bottom. Yeah it sucked compared to what we wanted but not rock bottom level sucking.</div>
</div><div>One of the reasons we have no players is because we had two integral seniors graduate (Bryant and Bost) and two guys declare early for the draft (Sidney and Moultrie). Most teams would struggle the following season after losing that. Of course losing Deville and Hood made it even worse.</div><div>
</div><div>Even though we were all disappointed in the way the season ended, spending most of the season in the top 25, winning 20+ games, and making the NIT is not hitting rock bottom. Yeah it sucked compared to what we wanted but not rock bottom level sucking.</div>
All that means is the situation isn't nearly as bad then as some folks are making it out to be. My only point was that our program hasn't been run into the ground. We are not in the epitome of hell like some claim we are. You lose some guys that you probably would have had if the original Coach recruiting them was still employed at said University.
Our program wasn't 'run into any ground'. Did we live up to the expectations he created for himself? No, we didn't. Should we have gone our separate ways?? Absofukcinglutely.
The program wasn't run into the damn ground though. Making any post season Tournament isn't necessarily that great, but it's far from the all time low you folks are making it out to be. I can already see that when we're not that good these next couple of years, the blame will have already been cast to some on here. The fact is Ray is going to be given until at least Year 3 before he starts to get any pressure put on him. He is going to have enough time to make his own mark on our program and I hope he succeeds. I bleed maroon, so I hope he beats every record in the book. I'm on board with him as much as I was with Stansbury. But for pete's sake, can we stop blaming the guy for everything that's bad about MState basketball?
Some of y'all seriously have an unhealthy hatred for the guy. Let it go already.
Our program wasn't 'run into any ground'. Did we live up to the expectations he created for himself? No, we didn't. Should we have gone our separate ways?? Absofukcinglutely.
The program wasn't run into the damn ground though. Making any post season Tournament isn't necessarily that great, but it's far from the all time low you folks are making it out to be. I can already see that when we're not that good these next couple of years, the blame will have already been cast to some on here. The fact is Ray is going to be given until at least Year 3 before he starts to get any pressure put on him. He is going to have enough time to make his own mark on our program and I hope he succeeds. I bleed maroon, so I hope he beats every record in the book. I'm on board with him as much as I was with Stansbury. But for pete's sake, can we stop blaming the guy for everything that's bad about MState basketball?
Some of y'all seriously have an unhealthy hatred for the guy. Let it go already.
Coach34 said:
DDDY award?........his post on this situation stands out to me......I wish the ol brass state fans held jobs that have accountability......if so, we would have gotten rid of sherrill, croom, stands, and polk sooner and programs wouldn't have 'run in the ground'....
all hail getting rid of templeton.....
1. Yeah we have some
dumbass fans and you are pushing for #1 based on that post. I guess our
program's current state has nothing to do with the fact that Stans had allowed
the idiots to run the program for the past several years? Yeah, how'd that loose
canon talent work out for us the past few years? Suspensions, rats jumping from
the ship, team fights on national TV, underachieving the past few years, no
offense, no defense, no effort, not giving a ****. We would have kept Gray if
Stans had stayed, but recent history tells me he would have been a freaking
headcase along the lines of Big Sid. What in Stans recent players tells you
otherwise? Didn't Gray have a felony record?
2. Pony up the $10/month for
some decent info from Paul on 24/7 and you would know that Hood was gone even if
Stans stayed and that Pollard wasn't coming here either.
3. Yeah, our
recruits and other players have bolted, but it was going to happen at some
point. Stans was going to get fired after next year anyway (because, as you
stated, we are going to suck next year - no matter the coach). Why kick the can
down the road?
4. So we barely missed the tourney this year...blah, blah.
What about underachieving every f'n other year that we were supposed to make a
deep run and lost in the 1st or 2nd round. Look, Stans had his chances, but f'd
them up.
I agree we have some really dumb f'n fans - look in the mirror
and you see one, 17nut.
dumbass fans and you are pushing for #1 based on that post. I guess our
program's current state has nothing to do with the fact that Stans had allowed
the idiots to run the program for the past several years? Yeah, how'd that loose
canon talent work out for us the past few years? Suspensions, rats jumping from
the ship, team fights on national TV, underachieving the past few years, no
offense, no defense, no effort, not giving a ****. We would have kept Gray if
Stans had stayed, but recent history tells me he would have been a freaking
headcase along the lines of Big Sid. What in Stans recent players tells you
otherwise? Didn't Gray have a felony record?
2. Pony up the $10/month for
some decent info from Paul on 24/7 and you would know that Hood was gone even if
Stans stayed and that Pollard wasn't coming here either.
3. Yeah, our
recruits and other players have bolted, but it was going to happen at some
point. Stans was going to get fired after next year anyway (because, as you
stated, we are going to suck next year - no matter the coach). Why kick the can
down the road?
4. So we barely missed the tourney this year...blah, blah.
What about underachieving every f'n other year that we were supposed to make a
deep run and lost in the 1st or 2nd round. Look, Stans had his chances, but f'd
them up.
I agree we have some really dumb f'n fans - look in the mirror
and you see one, 17nut.
PG- Jacoby Davis- also a freshman like Gray, but doesn't have a felony.
SG- Jalen Steele- not bad. We need him to be a leader. Probably would have started anyway.
SF- Colin Borchert- not as talented as Hood, but he will be a junior and I think he can be solid.
PF- Kristers Ziedaks- Lithuanian who is 6'8" 230. Probably can handle the four, and I'm sure he can shoot. Not sure of his classification.
C- Wendell Lewis- He is a senior, and someone like Ray might get him to step his game up.
And then we have some guys like Sword and Applewhite coming in that might help us out off the bench, plus maybe Ware can help us at the five.
I think we may not be as bad as some people think. Especially if Ray can get these guys to play hard and his up tempo style works- all of which remains to be seen.
SG- Jalen Steele- not bad. We need him to be a leader. Probably would have started anyway.
SF- Colin Borchert- not as talented as Hood, but he will be a junior and I think he can be solid.
PF- Kristers Ziedaks- Lithuanian who is 6'8" 230. Probably can handle the four, and I'm sure he can shoot. Not sure of his classification.
C- Wendell Lewis- He is a senior, and someone like Ray might get him to step his game up.
And then we have some guys like Sword and Applewhite coming in that might help us out off the bench, plus maybe Ware can help us at the five.
I think we may not be as bad as some people think. Especially if Ray can get these guys to play hard and his up tempo style works- all of which remains to be seen.
And realize that we haven't been in contention for Pollard since January when we were one of the hottest teams in the country. Pollard backed away from us BIG time late in the season. Why do some people on this board INSIST had we kept Stans we'd have Pollard? Do you know what Stans had to do to lock down Hood? We hired a family friend as an assistant and basically had to beg him to honor his commitment. That being said, Hood is one of the highest profile athletes Stans ever signed, if not THE highest (5 star, top 3 at his position), and he had half as many offers as Pollard. Back to my point about begging Hood to honor his commitment, if you knew anything you'd know he's been swaying on his commitment to this university since he signed, so why wouldn't his comments about wanting to leave in February be truthful? Stans will return as Jackie has begun to do and enter into a stadium full of people cheering his name several years from now, and I will be one of those people cheering, but such blind faithfulness to a coach is just ignorant. He lost control of his program, his best assistant left, he assembled a half decent recruiting class and finished 3rd for an All-American (slow clap). Gray has just as many stars and not as many decent D1 offers as Davis, so STFU, and Hardwick was hardly going to play next season anyway. Had Stans stayed you'd have essentially the same quality PG and a non-factor who's wasting a scholarship in Hardwick, and you wouldn't have an additional SG or a NJCAA All-American forward. For every big AAU player Stans signed he followed it with a Benock. Take your heads out of your asses, people.