Employee Issues

Drebin

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Well he’s not just the boss... he did say he was the owner. While I do think the OP should give the guy a chance to work from home, the employee is not forced to work there.

This thing is pushing lots of people out of their comfort zones. I work for a guy who is old school and doesn't like letting people work from home because he can't see what they're working on and automatically wants to assume that they are watching soap operas instead of working. It's a natural thing for guys like him to think this because they came up in a different era and really don't understand technology. Thankfully, he trusts me to run my department.

I would cut this guy some slack. We are all trying to adjust to a new normal here.
 

Drebin

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Aug 22, 2012
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If we have employers that are refusing to allow employees to work from home when they can....then we should see those lawsuits. I hope we do.

If you have employees who can work from home, you should be a decent employer and tell them they have to.....for them to have to ask is shameful.....for you to refuse is plum ******.

A lot of employers are making accommodations in the office to meet social distancing guidelines and keep a sanitary work environment. In those cases, it's not a terrible thing to go into the office. When you make judgments and draw conclusions based on broad strokes, that makes you the *******.
 

deadheaddawg

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Well, technically, I didn't call you a **********. I said you are if your employee can do his job from home and you don't allow it. I stand by my statement.

And you are right.

Not letting an employee who can work from home do so? Even after they have asked?

Just an awful decision. Glad he wised up though
 

deadheaddawg

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A lot of employers are making accommodations in the office to meet social distancing guidelines and keep a sanitary work environment. In those cases, it's not a terrible thing to go into the office. When you make judgments and draw conclusions based on broad strokes, that makes you the *******.

Nope. You are wrong. I can draw conclusions on this. If your employee has the ability to work from home and you refuse, you are an ******* owner. Period. You are putting your employees health at risk for no reason.

That is an easy judgement call.
 

Drebin

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Nope. You are wrong. I can draw conclusions on this. If your employee has the ability to work from home and you refuse, you are an ******* owner. Period. You are putting your employees health at risk for no reason.

That is an easy judgement call.

You are living up to your very quickly earned reputation.
 

deadheaddawg

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You are living up to your very quickly earned reputation.

Good. I dont ever want to be confused with someone that dismissed the seriousness of this. I a absolutely don't want to be confused with someone who would agree with an employer forcing people to come to work when it's not necessary. That's dangerous.

I want to distance myself from that line of thinking. Glad to see it's working.
 

Drebin

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Good. I ever want to be confused with someone that dismissed the seriousness of this. I a absolutely don't want to be confused with someone who would agree with an employer forcing people to come to work. That's dangerous.

I want to distance myself from that line of thinking. Glad to see it's working.

Very few are dismissing the seriousness of this. Even fewer are being as much of an insufferable ******* as you are. So congrats.
 

Swede39

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So I am a private business owner, live in a town of 1,000 people. Today I had my first employee “tell me” they not coming to work until this calms down. Said employee is in full out freak mode but claims they can get the work done from home, while I am of the opinion they won’t get a damn thing done other than watch the news and panic more. Should I tell employee they should take a sabbatical if they don’t want to come in, as we are in a small company and less than 10 in office and I don’t believe we are at a high risk. They are good worker, but have lost mind over this, don’t want to lose them but don’t think I should pay someone to sit at home and “work”. Definitely trying to be understanding but also know I can’t afford large drop in productivity while paying same salary. Any opinions?

Totally see your side and totally see your employee's side. Both are plausible.

Others have had good suggestions with having a trial period. But I also echo that good employees are good employees. I believe we will start seeing a transition to flexibility to work from home more and more. Now there are obviously some jobs that you don't have a choice, you have to be there in person - bank teller, retail, construction, etc. Obviously those are different.

I work from home when I'm not travelling for work. It's awesome and I get 10 times more work done being at home compared to my last job when I had to go into an office everyday. As I began to type this response, I thought I may contradict my entire argument since I'm spending time on SPS rather than working since it's 11:30 am my time. But it actually illustrates my point further. My work trusts that I will do my job (measurable by KPI's) regardless of when I start, when I finish, and the time it took to me to do said job. They simply do not care as long as I get the job done. That means sometimes I wake up at 5 am to get on an international call, or put my toddler down for bed and knock out some more work that night from 8pm to 11pm, and anything in between.

There's some give and take. To give you an example (and by no means am I implying that you do this) in my previous job, I could've done entirely at home but management made everyone come in at 8 and work was over at 5. Didn't matter who you were. I consistently came in at 7 am (before anybody else got there) and left around 6 pm (after everybody left) for a year or two straight (Everybody included all senior execs). Usually ate lunch at my desk and kept working through my allotted lunch hour. One day I went to eat lunch with a friend. Lasted a little bit longer than an hour. Probably an hour and a half or so. Got back to the office and was immediately questioned by my boss why I took longer than hour to eat lunch and that's not policy here. I professionally cited that I usually put more hours in that's required so I figured there would be some flexibility. Nope. Additionally/later that year, I got the same raise and bonus as everyone in the 120 employee company at the end of the year, etc. Even had numbers to show I brought in a few million dollars they otherwise weren't even expecting out of me. After all that I just had a hard time justifying coming in early, staying late, answer emails from my phone in the evening, etc.

Now the above experience may make me an "entitled millennial" but when there are company's out there such as my current one that give me flexibility and reward valuable hard work, it's hard to stay at the companies that are set in their ways because "that's what they had to do when they were my age" or whatever the reason may be. I want to reiterate that I am not implying you have these same values or treat your employees this way. More-so to illustrate how stuff like that doesn't motivate employees to go the extra mile.

Lastly, on the flip-side there are times where you can't beat face to face interaction. My company has an office in Atlanta that I go and visit once a month or so for a few days. Completely worth it as we can interact face to face and really put in some good work that would otherwise be hard virtually.
 

T-TownDawgg

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Jack Daniels, sorry you feel vilified by a situation which you must feel is out of your hands. I ran a small business for some time and all of the douche nozzles trashing you have never understood the weight of that responsibility.

I simply downsized. If possible, stay small. The pressure to grow is constant, but the discipline to downsize can be both liberating and profitable. I'd advise to be honest and transparent with your valued employees. Sit down with your wife, accountant, lawyer; anyone you trust and begin brainstorming ALL possible scenarios and how you'd immediately handle it and how the business will be affected.

Personally, I got tired of busting my *** for 16 hours a day for folks who didn't give two ***** about anything but a check, never understanding the commitment, reputation and politicking required to keep their *** busy. After a few years of babysitting a crew of Path-of-Least-Resistance leaches, I crunched the numbers and was shocked to find I wasn't making any more money than when I worked by myself. Eye opening.

Anywho, sorry for the long post. I can tell you care. Remember, your employee may not. My advice: don't be afraid to downsize in lean times. Your persistence, work and capital made the business exist. Never forget to sustain yourself, financially and mentally. Stress kills. As for all these other losers who trash you for that, go start your own business if you know so much better, or STFU.
 

JungRebel

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I at least appreciate your concern enough to ask. I understand owning a business comes with stress workers dont typically think about even though I've never done it myself. My wife's business is run by two guys who borrowed against their houses to get it going, I cant imagine that stress. That said, please trust your workers to work from home if they can. We have a woman who is 8 months pregnant who is not allowed to work from home even though she could and it is stressing her the 17 out. Our owner today, when presented with an Ops problem due to shutdowns in one city, shook his head and said, "Ridiculous, all over a damn flu." I know he is under stress that I've never been under but please, trust the medical professionals who are saying work from home if at all possible. We are still scratching the surface on what we know of this thing.
 

muhstate

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So I am a private business owner, live in a town of 1,000 people. Today I had my first employee “tell me” they not coming to work until this calms down. Said employee is in full out freak mode but claims they can get the work done from home, while I am of the opinion they won’t get a damn thing done other than watch the news and panic more. Should I tell employee they should take a sabbatical if they don’t want to come in, as we are in a small company and less than 10 in office and I don’t believe we are at a high risk. They are good worker, but have lost mind over this, don’t want to lose them but don’t think I should pay someone to sit at home and “work”. Definitely trying to be understanding but also know I can’t afford large drop in productivity while paying same salary. Any opinions?

Employees overall work more hours and are more productivity working from home, this has been proven time and time again through various studies. The tech company I work for does work from home 2-3 times a week and during the holiday season. Generally the ones who goof off and don't actual work from home are the same people in the office who goof off and don't actually work.

I would set the expectation earlier that you need to still see the same level of productivity and maybe if this rate of productivity continues, more WFH options will be considered in the future, which wouldn't be a bad idea anyways. Plus if there is an economic downturn as bad as some are predicting, allowing work from home is a great way to cut OPEX before cutting head count. Once all of this blows over, maybe consider allowing certain employees who are tenured to work from home 1 or 2 days a week, not only as sort of a "trail run" but also will let you know any potential issues you can get ahead of before something like this happens again, such as accessing applications remotely, conferencing tools, and so on.

Before letting an employee work from home, I would suggest asking the employee to confirm they have the proper set up to do so, i.e. laptop/desktop that can handle the applications they will be using, monitor(s)/cables/keyboards, etc., and that they have a designated space to work. If they are just working on a laptop sitting in front of the TV, they probably won't be nearly as productive as if they had a desk area with an additional monitor and space to work.
 
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idog

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What kind of person hopes people get sued because of this outbreak?

The decision to allow people to work from home is entirely the business owner’s. Anyone who thinks differently has never owned a business. If the employee refuses to come in then she effectively quit. If she told you what she is going to do instead of requesting permission then she doesn’t respect your position as the business owner. End of story. Find a better employee.

Good workers show up on time, perform, are subordinate and request permission for anything not usual and customary.
 
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I'm not an attorney but I can certainly see this happening. This is one reason I would consult an attorney before squashing the idea of not letting an employee work from home. Obviously some jobs can't be performed at home but some can.
Anybody can sue for anything. The question is will the plaintiff be able to win the lawsuit?
 

bulldogbaja

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Sorry idog but you need to re-evaluate. It's your duty as an employer to provide a safe workplace, according to both law and ethics. If your building was on fire, would you require your employees to march diligently into it if you commanded them to? Virus outbreaks are invisible but also represent a danger. It's easy to dismiss their seriousness because you can't see them.
 

My Bru

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Sorry idog but you need to re-evaluate. It's your duty as an employer to provide a safe workplace, according to both law and ethics. If your building was on fire, would you require your employees to march diligently into it if you commanded them to? Virus outbreaks are invisible but also represent a danger. It's easy to dismiss their seriousness because you can't see them.
^^ precisely what Walter White just mentioned.

It's unbelievable to me how polar opposite people's minds can be. No one is in the middle on any issue anymore. I guess people just have to pick a side? If people would think for themselves there'd be a lot more middle ground.

idog's response was very reasonable and not extreme one way or another.
 

GeorgeBailey

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I would not pay a salary for doing nothing. A business is not a damned charity.


Why is this the default attitude for you? Did you not hire trustworthy people? Staying at home to work automatically means they're doing nothing? I own a business with all remote employees. Somehow they all get their work done from home. Incredibly, some people have good work ethic and don't cheat the people they work for.
 

deadheaddawg

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If a person can work from home right now there is not a single legitimate reason to not let them. Not one. Because it's dangerous to your employees and it's dangerous to your community.

It just is. It sucks but ....them the facts.
 

idog

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you're lecturing the wrong person

Sorry idog but you need to re-evaluate. It's your duty as an employer to provide a safe workplace, according to both law and ethics. If your building was on fire, would you require your employees to march diligently into it if you commanded them to? Virus outbreaks are invisible but also represent a danger. It's easy to dismiss their seriousness because you can't see them.

i have my own private practice/clinic and am well aware of what's going on and what needs to be done/not done. it's cute you think a virus is invisible though. employee behavior toward their superior shouldn't change because of what's going on.
 
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Hump4Hoops

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Do you require that your employees salute you the normal way

or the "arm pointing straight ahead, palm down" way?
 

mstateglfr

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i have my own private practice/clinic and am well aware of what's going on and what needs to be done/not done. it's cute you think a virus is invisible though. employee behavior toward their superior shouldn't change because of what's going on.

If my office's management reference themselves as 'superiors', I guarantee turnover would be high.
Viewing employees as forking for the owner is an antiquated style of management.

Management should exist to set employees up for success. It's an assisting role and the relationship should be collaborative.
 
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