End of the Patrick Towels Era

tntuk

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What happens when Barker doesn't meet the PT haters' expectations, and we see more of the same when he is in at QB? (Poor OL play, rushed throws, dropped passes, and POOR defense and Special Teams play).

Just curious what you PT haters are going to do then?

Clamor for the Phillips, or continue to argue Barker is what we need (which is what PT fans are arguing now). Will be interesting to see how it pans out......
 

CatsFanGG24

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What happens when Barker doesn't meet the PT haters' expectations, and we see more of the same when he is in at QB? (Poor OL play, rushed throws, dropped passes, and POOR defense and Special Teams play).

Just curious what you PT haters are going to do then?

Clamor for the Phillips, or continue to argue Barker is what we need (which is what PT fans are arguing now). Will be interesting to see how it pans out......
PT haters?

He just isn't very good man...20 games of evidence. The lightbulb likely wont go off...would be nice to get reps for someone who has 3.5 more years left in the program.
 

tntuk

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First off most of the people on this hope you work in a missile silo or some job that does not require you to work much during the day because your employer is not getting their money's worth from you. It is pretty much a given that if someone says something derogatory about PT you come flying in to save him every chance. Hope you are related to him, and if not maybe a bromance or good friend.

I think Real Deal made some great points which I agree with and would have typed earlier, but in doing so it would mean a nonstop back and forth with you posting every 3rd post defending Towles. Go back and look through this thread and count how many times you post on here defending him. If not a relative you need to be one.

Bottom line is prototypical size and arm does not mean squat if you don't have mechanics, footwork, and pocket presence. Who cares if you have a big arm but no footwork - that is like shooting a cannon out of a canoe. QB's job is to get the ball out on time and in rhythm. If he is getting a strong pass rush he needs to sit down with his coordinator and discuss how he is going to scheme against it - short quick passes, 3 step drops, max protect, formations and motion to determine if it is man or zone, do they have enough blockers for pass rushers, do they use "0" protection, do they frustrated the defense by having them rush 7-8 plays in a row with no chance to get the QB because the ball is out by their 3rd step - pretty frustrating and wears a dline out. His size can help but Aaron Rodgers is not large nor Drew Brees, but they are accurate with the ball. Take that any day over a Jamarcus Russell or Jeff George.

Top trait of a QB is his ability to lead, motivate, inspire confidence in his fellow offense players. PT does none of this with his actions or body language, and as a player it is the worst thing to have to play with. The QB steers the team, decides who gets the ball, and leads everyone. He has failed his teammates in this respect - that is why there is a problem with the team.
First off most of the people on this hope you work in a missile silo or some job that does not require you to work much during the day because your employer is not getting their money's worth from you. It is pretty much a given that if someone says something derogatory about PT you come flying in to save him every chance. Hope you are related to him, and if not maybe a bromance or good friend.

I think Real Deal made some great points which I agree with and would have typed earlier, but in doing so it would mean a nonstop back and forth with you posting every 3rd post defending Towles. Go back and look through this thread and count how many times you post on here defending him. If not a relative you need to be one.

Bottom line is prototypical size and arm does not mean squat if you don't have mechanics, footwork, and pocket presence. Who cares if you have a big arm but no footwork - that is like shooting a cannon out of a canoe. QB's job is to get the ball out on time and in rhythm. If he is getting a strong pass rush he needs to sit down with his coordinator and discuss how he is going to scheme against it - short quick passes, 3 step drops, max protect, formations and motion to determine if it is man or zone, do they have enough blockers for pass rushers, do they use "0" protection, do they frustrated the defense by having them rush 7-8 plays in a row with no chance to get the QB because the ball is out by their 3rd step - pretty frustrating and wears a dline out. His size can help but Aaron Rodgers is not large nor Drew Brees, but they are accurate with the ball. Take that any day over a Jamarcus Russell or Jeff George.

Top trait of a QB is his ability to lead, motivate, inspire confidence in his fellow offense players. PT does none of this with his actions or body language, and as a player it is the worst thing to have to play with. The QB steers the team, decides who gets the ball, and leads everyone. He has failed his teammates in this respect - that is why there is a problem with the team.
First - everyone is posting on this thread during working hours, including a lot of folks who think PT is awful.... so their employer isn't getting their money's worth either.

Second - if BPoe is related to PT, does that mean the PT haters on this thread (who argue with BPoe in more than one thread about this subject by the way) are related to Barker? Obvious answer to both is - "no".

Anyone who thinks what our team needs is a change in QB and we all of a sudden become world beaters needs a reality check.

Poor special teams play - check.
Poor defense - check
Poor OL play - check
Dropped Passes - check
Rushed/Poor Throws by QB - check

We may beat Vandy this weekend regardless of who starts/plays.....but it will mainly be due to the fact that Vandy absolutely cannot score points, not who our QB is. We won't score many, but they won't score more than us.
 
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tntuk

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PT haters?

He just isn't very good man...20 games of evidence. The lightbulb likely wont go off...would be nice to get reps for someone who has 3.5 more years left in the program.
What should I call you guys then?

Why don't you prepare yourself for the same results when Barker plays....
 

brianpoe

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First off most of the people on this hope you work in a missile silo or some job that does not require you to work much during the day because your employer is not getting their money's worth from you. It is pretty much a given that if someone says something derogatory about PT you come flying in to save him every chance. Hope you are related to him, and if not maybe a bromance or good friend.

I think Real Deal made some great points which I agree with and would have typed earlier, but in doing so it would mean a nonstop back and forth with you posting every 3rd post defending Towles. Go back and look through this thread and count how many times you post on here defending him. If not a relative you need to be one.

Bottom line is prototypical size and arm does not mean squat if you don't have mechanics, footwork, and pocket presence. Who cares if you have a big arm but no footwork - that is like shooting a cannon out of a canoe. QB's job is to get the ball out on time and in rhythm. If he is getting a strong pass rush he needs to sit down with his coordinator and discuss how he is going to scheme against it - short quick passes, 3 step drops, max protect, formations and motion to determine if it is man or zone, do they have enough blockers for pass rushers, do they use "0" protection, do they frustrated the defense by having them rush 7-8 plays in a row with no chance to get the QB because the ball is out by their 3rd step - pretty frustrating and wears a dline out. His size can help but Aaron Rodgers is not large nor Drew Brees, but they are accurate with the ball. Take that any day over a Jamarcus Russell or Jeff George.

Top trait of a QB is his ability to lead, motivate, inspire confidence in his fellow offense players. PT does none of this with his actions or body language, and as a player it is the worst thing to have to play with. The QB steers the team, decides who gets the ball, and leads everyone. He has failed his teammates in this respect - that is why there is a problem with the team.




First off, the way you come in with your conceited arrogance in so many threads is getting annoying.

Your personal take on my livelihood is a really funny joke...



The fact you say I rush into to save PT is beyond stupid.

You want to be little Mr. Researcher?

Look at all my past posts and see how many times I address PTs faults. See how many times I have called for Drew to get time.


Since you are obviously slow...let me help you out here.



The discussion, of which you were not involved, was whether PT would be better had he chose UGA instead of UK and would those experts who love him now really adore him.

My take was that given his natural ability and the same system for 3 years he would be better. Also, Richt is a former QC+B coach with 2 Heisman winners.

My take was that having a better oline, better running game, and better wide receivers he would be able to mask his many flaws (that he would still have).

My take is that PT throwing vs 3 pass defenders, due to a great run game would enable him to play better than the 7 he has to deal with now because 4 men can pressure him easily with our oline.


You want to disagree with this fine.

You can say he sucks in all of those ways you listed.

Why he is our QB then?

Do we just suck that bad?

Does CMS, NB and Dawson just suck this bad?


My feeling is that PT came to UK with great potential and many flaws.

His development was severely hampered by multiple OC's, he never establish comfort in the pocket because we rarely have a pocket, thus the footwork issue.

His inaccuracy was magnified due to the constant rush, his lack of pocket presence and his lack of performing under pressure was exacerbated.

Not that he didnt have these issues prior to the oline, but they were made worse.

He has lost confidence, no doubt, and that does affect leadership.



My issue is not that people disagree with me regarding the scenario that PT would not be better with a UGA vs UK (although I would say ANY QB would).

My issue is when people like your conceited butt attempts to say I only defend the kid, or I'm related to the kid, etc.

I'm just providing my opinion and i dont think it is that far off base, any QB would do better with better players.

You dont, ok. I think you lack intelligence for saying that a great athlete would fare no better with other great athletes, especially at QB because they depend so much on other's execution.

I would suck at QB at UK at the age of 46, I would suck less at UGA though..

You seem to be sucking period.
 
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CatsFanGG24

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What should I call you guys then?

Honest?

Why don't you prepare yourself for the same results when Barker plays....

I don't think anyone is saying Barker will elevate us to a top offense this year...but there is something to say about preparing for the future, and Towles is not the future.

And I don't agree that the same results will necessarily occur. Barker will have a quick release and decision making process - this positively impacts the offensive line. Barker will also be protected by Dawson with a certain type of play calling - screens, quick/short passes and read option - and I think these plays will benefit the whole offense, not just Barker.

And its just deflecting when you mention special teams, defense and any other position when trying to take up for Towles. No, a QB change wont help special teams directly, but it can help the QB position.
 

tntuk

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Honest?



I don't think anyone is saying Barker will elevate us to a top offense this year...but there is something to say about preparing for the future, and Towles is not the future.

And I don't agree that the same results will necessarily occur. Barker will have a quick release and decision making process - this positively impacts the offensive line. Barker will also be protected by Dawson with a certain type of play calling - screens, quick/short passes and read option - and I think these plays will benefit the whole offense, not just Barker.

And its just deflecting when you mention special teams, defense and any other position when trying to take up for Towles. No, a QB change wont help special teams directly, but it can help the QB position.
Not deflecting - pointing out facts. You can ignore them all you want, but we have a poor football TEAM. PT has been unfairly singled out by our fans, in spite of his inconsistent play.

Barker may have a quicker release, but that will not result in our D getting off the field on 3rd and long; won't result in our OL providing more protection; won't stop the special teams gaffes.
 
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CatsFanGG24

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Not deflecting - pointing out facts. You can ignore them all you want, but we have a poor football TEAM. I do feel PT has been unfairly singled out by our fans, in spite of his inconsistent play.
It is deflecting..."Hey, we have other problems so no need to try and address the problem at the QB position"

OL have been benched...WRs have been benched (although I could use more rotating in that unit)...RBs have been benched due to missed assignments...members of the secondary have been benched...the punter was replaced for a few kicks etc...

He is being singled out first because he plays the most important and impactful position and has had many opportunities, second because people see other changes being made but that position seems untouchable and thirdly because he has been playing very poorly.
 

brianpoe

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It is deflecting..."Hey, we have other problems so no need to try and address the problem at the QB position"

OL have been benched...WRs have been benched (although I could use more rotating in that unit)...RBs have been benched due to missed assignments...members of the secondary have been benched...the punter was replaced for a few kicks etc...

He is being singled out first because he plays the most important and impactful position and has had many opportunities, second because people see other changes being made but that position seems untouchable and thirdly because he has been playing very poorly.



Good points here as well.
 

tntuk

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It is deflecting..."Hey, we have other problems so no need to try and address the problem at the QB position"

OL have been benched...WRs have been benched (although I could use more rotating in that unit)...RBs have been benched due to missed assignments...members of the secondary have been benched...the punter was replaced for a few kicks etc...

He is being singled out first because he plays the most important and impactful position and has had many opportunities, second because people see other changes being made but that position seems untouchable and thirdly because he has been playing very poorly.
Let me get this straight. You are the one who is ignoring all of our problems as a team, think inserting Barker will be a cure all, yet I am deflecting? Got it.

Which OL has been benched? West? He's a guard. Further, have you seen any improvement in our OL since any player has been "benched"?

Our problems are at OT. That won't improve this year.....
 

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Let me get this straight. You are the one who is ignoring all of our problems as a team, think inserting Barker will be a cure all, yet I am deflecting? Got it.

Which OL has been benched? West? He's a guard. Further, have you seen any improvement in our OL since any player has been "benched"?

Our problems are at OT. That won't improve this year.....
OL rotates 8 guys, but they have been experimenting...show me where I said insert Barker and all problems go away though...would love to see that comment I made.
 

tntuk

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OL rotates 8 guys, but they have been experimenting...show me where I said insert Barker and all problems go away though...would love to see that comment I made.
You and the PT haters crowd want PT benched. Correct?

My point, which you are missing....is that playing Barker isn't going to change the multiple issues this team has. As long as you are okay with that.....then there is nothing to see here.
 

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Late to the party but I think you'll see Patrick start mainly because the coaches perceive it to be VERY critical game and under tense circumstance they always fall back to what they perceive as safe and that' Patrick. Its the reason he didn't come out when the game got tight after big leads earlier this year. But think they have him on real short leash and Dawson will open with short quick hitters to keep the pressure off and get him some confidence, which just happens to be the way to get Patrick going anytime.

But if Vandy presses up and Patrick struggles even with those, we will see Barker early.
 
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Does the team throw the interceptions? vs SEC Towles is 3 TD's and 9 Int.
If he had even 2 more seconds of protection would he still not lock on to one receiver?
Defense had poor tackling vs UGA and going 3 and out or turning it over exacerbates the problem of them being gassed.
Rather we just run straight Wildcat vs Vandy even if it's just a 3-0 win.
 
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tntuk

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Does the team throw the interceptions? vs SEC Towles is 3 TD's and 9 Int.
If he had even 2 more seconds of protection would he still not lock on to one receiver?
Defense had poor tackling vs UGA and going 3 and out or turning it over exacerbates the problem of them being gassed.
Rather we just run straight Wildcat vs Vandy even if it's just a 3-0 win.
I look at the Auburn game as an example of how PT plays with time to throw.

He had an INT in the first half that was bad.....other than that he was 27/44 with 359 yards and we moved the ball well against them. B/c PT had time to throw.....

Has PT thrown interceptions? Yes. Some bad, some really bad.

Will Barker throw INTs? Of course he will.

As for SEC performance - how is our defense doing? How many points are we giving up to SEC teams? How about total yardage?
 
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First off, the way you come in with your conceited arrogance in so many threads is getting annoying.

Your personal take on my livelihood is a really funny joke...

You want to call people names and get your little feelings hurt - tough. I typed one post in this thread, and you don't like it because all you do is come on here and blindly defend PT. I am sure me is a great kid, and my knock is not with him but with folks who have thin skin and cannot handle anyone with an opposing viewpoint. I pointed out things he needs to do better, not bashing, but stating the facts. Look through your posts and how many people you call out because their viewpoint is different than yours - not because they were factually incorrect.



The fact you say I rush into to save PT is beyond stupid.

You want to be little Mr. Researcher?

"How about someone has 30+ posts in this one thread - guess who that would be BP?" Sorry but the truth hurts. You have more posts in this Towles thread alone than most people have in a month on the entire board. You wanted research well there is your quantitative analysis. Guess I should not have used such big terms since I am slow below right?


Since you are obviously slow...let me help you out here.

Did you type real slow so I could read this better. If you go too slow you won't make it to your MENSA meeting :) You call people arrogant and conceited - do you not read your own posts? I posted ways to make things better with facts - you posted " you are a poopy head" and think you are an expert.



The discussion, of which you were not involved, was whether PT would be better had he chose UGA instead of UK and would those experts who love him now really adore him.

You are moving the goalposts here. That was not the discussion. Since Real Deal and others handed you your butt:chairshot: with facts you changed the narrative. You were the one with the post that if he had gone to Georgia he would be a first round pick. Are you freaking kidding me?? He would not beat any of those QB's out to be the QB. I am sure the NFL is thinking we need to steal this kid off the bench to lead our team. Joe - use the first round pick on the benchwarmer.

With that statement along you showed everyone on here you have no clue about football and are simply protecting your baby. I want all UK players to do well, and maybe instead of having the time to post 31 times in a thread about Towles you could google Don Shula or Vince Lombardi and learn football.

I don't know if Barker would be better, but at this point it is the QB position that is killing us. Against Mizzou and SC he threw for netter than 70% and had 2 TD's and 1 int. Versus the rest of thee SEC he has 3 TD and 7 INT's - all losses. Our running game averages 5.5 ypc when you remove his sacks so that is not the problem like you stated. His lack of vision, holding on to the ball, and staring at one receiver is the issue.

Maybe you need to take a break from this thread since you are getting awfully frazzled and not making sense. First round pick - that could be the best thing ever on this board :)
 

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The fact you say I rush into to save PT is beyond stupid.

You want to be little Mr. Researcher?

"Sure - you have other 30 posts in thread alone. You are either bored or obsessed. Need a new hobby."


Since you are obviously slow...let me help you out here.

"Thank you for typing slow, but don't want you to miss your MENSA meeting. Calling people arrogant and conceited, yet look through your string of posts where you call everyone names that does not agree with you. You are liked a spoiled kid holding his breath because he did not get the toy he wanted. How old are you 12?"



The discussion, of which you were not involved, was whether PT would be better had he chose UGA instead of UK and would those experts who love him now really adore him.

My take was that given his natural ability and the same system for 3 years he would be better. Also, Richt is a former QC+B coach with 2 Heisman win.

You are delusional. If he was that good he would not have more INT's than TD's. Games he does well we win - see SC and Mizzou. Games he is 8-24 we get clobbered. Notice the common denominator.

My take was that having a better oline, better running game, and better wide receivers he would be able to mask his many flaws (that he would still have).

My take is that PT throwing vs 3 pass defenders, due to a great run game would enable him to play better than the 7 he has to deal with now because 4 men can pressure him easily with our oline.

Are you that ignorant when it comes to football. We average 5.5 ypc without factoring in sacks. Our run game is not the problem and all of our backs do well - all of them.


It took you 30+ posts to call everyone names that does not agree with you, say our running game that averages 5.5 a carry is the problem, say of Towles was at Georgia he would be a first rounder. I took 3 lines to sum up your 30 posts. It does not take a ton of posts to get your point across, and if we deleted the ones that made sense from you, or the ones where you did insult other board members you would be a silver member :)
 

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First off most of the people on this hope you work in a missile silo or some job that does not require you to work much during the day because your employer is not getting their money's worth from you. It is pretty much a given that if someone says something derogatory about PT you come flying in to save him every chance. Hope you are related to him, and if not maybe a bromance or good friend.

I think Real Deal made some great points which I agree with and would have typed earlier, but in doing so it would mean a nonstop back and forth with you posting every 3rd post defending Towles. Go back and look through this thread and count how many times you post on here defending him. If not a relative you need to be one.

Bottom line is prototypical size and arm does not mean squat if you don't have mechanics, footwork, and pocket presence. Who cares if you have a big arm but no footwork - that is like shooting a cannon out of a canoe. QB's job is to get the ball out on time and in rhythm. If he is getting a strong pass rush he needs to sit down with his coordinator and discuss how he is going to scheme against it - short quick passes, 3 step drops, max protect, formations and motion to determine if it is man or zone, do they have enough blockers for pass rushers, do they use "0" protection, do they frustrated the defense by having them rush 7-8 plays in a row with no chance to get the QB because the ball is out by their 3rd step - pretty frustrating and wears a dline out. His size can help but Aaron Rodgers is not large nor Drew Brees, but they are accurate with the ball. Take that any day over a Jamarcus Russell or Jeff George.

Top trait of a QB is his ability to lead, motivate, inspire confidence in his fellow offense players. PT does none of this with his actions or body language, and as a player it is the worst thing to have to play with. The QB steers the team, decides who gets the ball, and leads everyone. He has failed his teammates in this respect - that is why there is a problem with the team.

Some of us don't believe personal bashing of any player should be accepted nor blamed for losing games singlehandedly since it is a team sport. Guys like you who want to accuse us of being kin only shows your personal dislike for the kid which disgusts me. He's not been consistent enough this year to keep his starting job but fans like you are a disgrace.
 
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For all the PT critics- He is going to make you all look bad next year when he transfers to a passing school that has anOline that can protect him and receivers that will not drop balls. He will follow what Maxwell Smith has done this year at San Diego State. Remember he is a 5th year senior and can transfer to any D-1 school and you all will still be stuck with a horroble Oline that doesn;t block and more awful play calling from Shannon Dawson.
For all the PT critics- He is going to make you all look bad next year when he transfers to a passing school that has anOline that can protect him and receivers that will not drop balls. He will follow what Maxwell Smith has done this year at San Diego State. Remember he is a 5th year senior and can transfer to any D-1 school and you all will still be stuck with a horroble Oline that doesn;t block and more awful play calling from Shannon Dawson.

Is Towles on track to graduate this year? You must have graduated to xfer without sitting out
 

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Some of us don't believe personal bashing of any player should be accepted nor blamed for losing games singlehandedly since it is a team sport. Guys like you who want to accuse us of being kin only shows your personal dislike for the kid which disgusts me. He's not been consistent enough this year to keep his starting job but fans like you are a disgrace.

Post #32 and your jimmies are really rustled by this. Show me exactly where I bashed the kid and called him all sorts of horrible names - you know you can't so you piss and moan.

I pointed out stats to show why our team has struggled due to the QB position. Fans like me? I have received more likes over one post above in 30 minutes and I could care less about likes. Shows a lot of people agree with me, and if you are not kin you are obsessed.

We could turn a Towles thresd into a drinking game like when Vitale says "Duke" everyone takes a shot. Every time you post in a Towles thread UK fams drink. Problem is with your obsession we would half the state getting DUI's with your constant posting[roll]

Waiting for post 33 in 3,2,1.....
 

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You are moving the goalposts here. That was not the discussion. Since Real Deal and others handed you your butt:chairshot: with facts you changed the narrative. You were the one with the post that if he had gone to Georgia he would be a first round pick. Are you freaking kidding me?? He would not beat any of those QB's out to be the QB. I am sure the NFL is thinking we need to steal this kid off the bench to lead our team. Joe - use the first round pick on the benchwarmer.

With that statement along you showed everyone on here you have no clue about football and are simply protecting your baby. I want all UK players to do well, and maybe instead of having the time to post 31 times in a thread about Towles you could google Don Shula or Vince Lombardi and learn football.

I don't know if Barker would be better, but at this point it is the QB position that is killing us. Against Mizzou and SC he threw for netter than 70% and had 2 TD's and 1 int. Versus the rest of thee SEC he has 3 TD and 7 INT's - all losses. Our running game averages 5.5 ypc when you remove his sacks so that is not the problem like you stated. His lack of vision, holding on to the ball, and staring at one receiver is the issue.

Maybe you need to take a break from this thread since you are getting awfully frazzled and not making sense. First round pick - that could be the best thing ever on this board :)



#1 I have called for Drew the last 2 weeks thus your inept and childish comment regarding me "protecting my baby" reveals just how absolutely idiotic you have become.

Again, my biggest peeve is that some posters simply overlook the truth and lie, which is what you are doing here.


#2 It was my post so I think I know better than some conceited whiny *** what I said.

Here it is again for you to to totally screw up with your lack of intelligence:

Being that the "experts" (Kiper and others) have labeled PT as a top 3 Jr QB how much better would they love him and could they possibly project him as a first rounder someday if he had chosen UGA?

Why is that so hard for your condescending face to understand?


My take was:

If they love him now, with all of his deficiencies on full display, he could be a 1st round pick had he been at UGA instead of UK.

I was very clear he would have many of the same deficiencies, just that they would be masked much better and he may improve on those had he been in one system instead of 3 different ones.


You can't comprehend this?



I went on to explain my point.

The same system under a QB coach like Richt (who is a former QB coach with 2 Heisman winners) the last 3 years would have probably been a better learning environment then what he has had here. Thus it is not unreasonable to say he could improve his game in this situation.


You can keep being the idiot who says the kid could never improve even had he gone to UGA.


I also offered evidence as to why his deficiencies would be masked and thus he would look better:

A better oline gives him more time for those deep throws and he could showcase his physical talents even better. Scouts love those big arms.

A better oline limits the number of times he has to rush his passes and he perhaps improve his accuracy %, we know when rushed that number is awful.

A better oline provides a QB more confidence and lessens the number of plays a QB has to make under pressure, in which PT has struggled.


A better running game brings more defenders in the box and thus less defenders in the secondary.

You are such a genius but you believe it doesnt matter if you are throwing against 7 defenders vs 3.

I will try to help you with this stupidity.

See, with 7-8 men they can play a cover 1, cover 2, cover 3, rotate safeties over (cloud), play quarters, sneak up a robber - so many options with that many defenders, especially knowing your front four will have no problem rushing the QB.

3 defenders are usually in man coverage and a QB can take advantage.


Did that help? (3 wrs vs 7-8 defenders more difficult than 3 wrs vs 3 defenders)


Also drops do affect QB's , thus better wr's catching catchable balls helps, and get this, how about great wr's catching almost uncatchable balls to help you out?

Yes, this really happens. If you watched our UF game their QB was bailed out by a few great catches.


So there is your football lesson, I cannot help you with reading comprehension and your arrogance will not allow you to do better.


As to your last line:


"Maybe you need to take a break from this thread since you are getting awfully frazzled and not making sense. First round pick - that could be the best thing ever on this board"


My first round comment was in conjunction with "the experts" current take on PT AND if he had gone to UGA for the last few years instead of UK. The experts really go for physical attributes and PT could have been one of those overvalued high picks - never said he had the makings of being a successful first round player - just drafted there.

His strengths would have been magnified and his weaknesses lessoned.


Again, you make yourself look extremely stupid by using his stats here at UK with our oline and his previous training, as the discussion is about him with better players.


Try to understand that this was a what if situation. A hypothetical. You cannot fathom anything other than the stats you pick out which have nothing to do with the conversation at hand.



So in closing:

You have proven to have a major lack of reading comprehension because you have no idea of the subject at hand.

You believe a 4 star recruit with great physical attributes could not possibly improve under any other conditions.

You once again come across acting like you know more than everyone else and that you are better than everyone else. But all you do is FAIL.
 

brianpoe

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Post #32 and your jimmies are really rustled by this. Show me exactly where I bashed the kid and called him all sorts of horrible names - you know you can't so you piss and moan.

I pointed out stats to show why our team has struggled due to the QB position. Fans like me? I have received more likes over one post above in 30 minutes and I could care less about likes. Shows a lot of people agree with me, and if you are not kin you are obsessed.

We could turn a Towles thresd into a drinking game like when Vitale says "Duke" everyone takes a shot. Every time you post in a Towles thread UK fams drink. Problem is with your obsession we would half the state getting DUI's with your constant posting[roll]

Waiting for post 33 in 3,2,1.....



You are stupid because no one is saying to play PT.

You are accusing people of things they do not do.

Most here are ready for Drew.

You take an older post and try to make it into something that fits your agenda.


Again, stop being so arrogant and read what people are saying.

The 1st round discussion had nothing to do with UK, this season, this next game - that made you look really inept.


You complaining about PT to people who think Drew should play makes you look stupid again.
 

Poetax

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Post #32 and your jimmies are really rustled by this. Show me exactly where I bashed the kid and called him all sorts of horrible names - you know you can't so you piss and moan.

I pointed out stats to show why our team has struggled due to the QB position. Fans like me? I have received more likes over one post above in 30 minutes and I could care less about likes. Shows a lot of people agree with me, and if you are not kin you are obsessed.

We could turn a Towles thresd into a drinking game like when Vitale says "Duke" everyone takes a shot. Every time you post in a Towles thread UK fams drink. Problem is with your obsession we would half the state getting DUI's with your constant posting[roll]

Waiting for post 33 in 3,2,1.....

I always reply to a low life's who want to attack players. You wouldn't know a stat if you had one. You've seen the bashing and have applauded it so there's no difference.
 
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All of these meltdowns happening and Kentucky still has three games left. This board will be a treat on Saturday if Towles plays the entire game and Kentucky loses.
 
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KendallCat

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# 33 and 34!! You guys are too predictable. Everyone start drinking. Do you whine like this in real life when you don't get your way. Here is some advice Tolstoy - right something a little shorter than the Gettysburg address and have some facts. You obviously are horrible at football, and if I could find a tissue emoji I would put it on here for you.[laughing]
 

KendallCat

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All of these meltdowns happening and Kentucky still has three games left. This board will be a treat on Saturday if Towles plays the entire game and Kentucky loses.

I would actually like to see PT play well like the SC and Mizzou games were he was very accurate. I like how Horton is running strong with a good pad level and hitting the holes. If we could get him going it would allow our play action passing game to flourish with Conrad down the middle of the field with Juice and Bone on the outside. If Conrad has the safety over the top we can hit the deep routes outside the hash marks. If the safeties stay over the receivers we gash them with seam routes with the TE. Simple read for the QB - read the number in the box, pre snap read of the safeties, determine the weaknesses and exploit it. If line cannot protect heavy dose of showing max protect with back blocking and then slipping out of the backfield for middle screens. This helps on other routes and plays where dline gets penetration and is looking for a screen which gives QB one extra second.
 

brianpoe

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# 33 and 34!! You guys are too predictable. Everyone start drinking. Do you whine like this in real life when you don't get your way. Here is some advice Tolstoy - right something a little shorter than the Gettysburg address and have some facts. You obviously are horrible at football, and if I could find a tissue emoji I would put it on here for you.[laughing]



You are simply pathetic.

Get facts about what?

You take a discussion regarding a hypothetical of PT playing on another team and interject your opinion about his play here as if we all haven't seen him.

You say these insane things about people protecting and wanting PT, yet these people are all wanting to see Drew...?


Just face it you have failed over and over.

I'll just assume conceited arrogance will not allow to see your mistakes in the previous posts.
 
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KendallCat

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You are simply pathetic.

Get facts about what?

You take a discussion regarding a hypothetical of PT playing on another team and interject your opinion about his play here as if we all haven't seen him.

You say the insane things about people protecting and wanting PT, yet these people are all wanting to see Drew...?


Just face it you have failed over and over.

I'll just assume conceited arrogance will not allow to see your mistakes in the previous posts.

#35!!
 

Xception

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Everybody wants Towles to play well but some have given up that he can consistently or somewhat consistently do that . I want to see what Barker can do given a fair chance to get into the flow of a game .
 

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Drew obviously hasn't shown what the coaches want to see in practices.

But PT needs to sit. Drew will just learn on the job, cant do any worse than the Coordinators who have been doing this all season.

Time to start benching wr's for drops as well.

Sorry but Towles is starting and if he doesn't I'll buy your membership on whatever blog you want for the next 10 years.
 
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Xception

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All of these meltdowns happening and Kentucky still has three games left. This board will be a treat on Saturday if Towles plays the entire game and Kentucky loses.
Stoops will lose enough fan support to matter if that scenario played out and the last thing he needs is to lose support .
 
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brianpoe

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Sorry but Towles is starting and if he doesn't I'll buy your membership on whatever blog you want for the next 10 years.


I think you correct, and hopefully PT is over his issue but he sure seemed that he struggled with his confidence the last couple of weeks.
 

Poetax

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Sorry but Towles is starting and if he doesn't I'll buy your membership on whatever blog you want for the next 10 years.

I'm not sure that this is what I thought would happen. Drew deserves a chance to start and see what he could do from the very beginning. I'm not giving up on PT, in fact it could help him to watch the game unfold from the sidelines. But if PT starts and has a rough start I don't want the team to think it's the same old same old, that wouldn't be fair to Drew.
 

RealCat41

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I'm not sure that this is what I thought would happen. Drew deserves a chance to start and see what he could do from the very beginning. I'm not giving up on PT, in fact it could help him to watch the game unfold from the sidelines. But if PT starts and has a rough start I don't want the team to think it's the same old same old, that wouldn't be fair to Drew.

This is big boy football and the fair situation comes once a year out in the county.

If what?
 

tntuk

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Post #32 and your jimmies are really rustled by this. Show me exactly where I bashed the kid and called him all sorts of horrible names - you know you can't so you piss and moan.

I pointed out stats to show why our team has struggled due to the QB position. Fans like me? I have received more likes over one post above in 30 minutes and I could care less about likes. Shows a lot of people agree with me, and if you are not kin you are obsessed.

We could turn a Towles thresd into a drinking game like when Vitale says "Duke" everyone takes a shot. Every time you post in a Towles thread UK fams drink. Problem is with your obsession we would half the state getting DUI's with your constant posting[roll]

Waiting for post 33 in 3,2,1.....
Just an FYI. Poetax (who You responded to) and BrianPoe are NOT the same posters.....lol
 
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