So I was looking at the thread about cats on NBA rosters and noticed there was no Enes Freedom anywhere. Then I looked to see the deal so apparently he feels he’s being frozen out of the league for his opinions and speaking out on China. Do you think it’s a case where the baggage outweighs the production or is he actually being frozen out by the league?
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Enes is definitely being frozen out of the league. It was one thing for the league to deal with being blacked out from having his games shown in Turkey but when he started criticizing China, that was the final straw. The NBA first and foremost values making money.
He may be frozen out but he sucks now and would only be an end of the bench player at best
Free enes!!!! First he couldn’t play college ball now he can’t play in the nba.
I don't know if he's being frozen out, but he's been in the NBA for 12 seasons and played for 6 different teams in that time. I guess you can draw any conclusion you'd like from that alone. His shooting touch and rebounding were his value, but being a poor defender offset that too much later in his career. Basically, I think if he were a much better player, he'd still be in the league. Yeah, teams/leagues don't like distractions from players, especially from guys who are at the end of the bench.
I think his best playing days are over. I admire his stance on China. However, if you are a pro athlete who is going to speak out, you better have the production to make it worth the organization’s hassle.
Personally, I despise that the NBA bows down to China, but it’s their business.
Personally, I despise that the NBA bows down to China, but it’s their business.
Enes couldn't guard current day Rob Lock.
Lol, he's a mediocre player with baggage. No different than Chad Ochocinco or Tyrell Owens. Once production started to decline, they were no longer worth the baggage. Every NBA team can get a player as good as Kanter and not deal with the BS.
What he stands for is certainly not BS.
Exactly…he’s been a below average player for a minute. But you add that to being politically outspoken and it’s not really a mystery why he’s out of the league. If he could play someone would find a spot for him.
He’s like Kapernick in that regard. Best days are behind him and he has baggage.
How do you know that if he isn't playing?
There are a lot of guys on NBA teams that couldn't guard a post.
NBA is in China's pocket. It's sickening how the NBA carries the water for anything China says.
Because he was terrible before he got released. He's the worst defensive player in the league and his offense isn't good enough to keep up with it anymore. Sadly he can't really safely play overseas where his skill is at right now.
So speaking your mind on what’s right is “baggage” now. Lmao what a time to be alive.
I certainly don’t disagree with his stance but the attention his stance creates can lead to distractions for the teams he plays for and having to answer questions from the media about non basketball related things can be considered a distraction. Anything that takes your focus off your main purpose is by definition a distraction.
The point is it shouldn’t. Nobody should have a problem whatsoever with what Kanter has said. You don’t see the media giving Lebron hell over his ******** social Justice warrior stance. In which, most of isn’t even real and/or valid.
I completely agree with you unfortunately the media seems to be good at giving certain agenda/viewpoints a pass and others not so much. It is a pretty sad time that we live in.
Last team that had Enes - the Celtics - replaced whim with much better players and better fits for the Celtics and the way the game is played today.
Well I guess technically you can say the Rockets had him last, but they waived him four days later.
There's not much room in the NBA anymore for a big that is a bad defender and can't consistently score outside the paint. And hell, last year he still onyl shot 53% from within three feet, for his career he has a career % of 65.7% from within three feet, so he wasn't exactly even doing that well anymore.
A team can go sign a guy for cheap in the G League that can give them better than 53% within three feet.
Well I guess technically you can say the Rockets had him last, but they waived him four days later.
There's not much room in the NBA anymore for a big that is a bad defender and can't consistently score outside the paint. And hell, last year he still onyl shot 53% from within three feet, for his career he has a career % of 65.7% from within three feet, so he wasn't exactly even doing that well anymore.
A team can go sign a guy for cheap in the G League that can give them better than 53% within three feet.
It is when it gets the company he works for blackballed in one of the biggest markets in the world.
The differences, of course, being:
* James is still averaging 25/12/7 this year.
* Will be an All Star again.
* Puts fans in the seats and viewers tuning in.
Enes? I follow the NBA and hadn't thought about him in more than a year. I really don't care what Enes, Kaepernick or Lebron have to say about anything. Their opinions are no better or worse than mine. That said, if Enes could go for 20/10 on a nightly basis, he'd still be playing. But he's not, and really adds very little value to a team at this stage of his career. BTW, he's made a little over $100 million in his career, so it's a little hard to feel bad for him.
Now do Greg Popovich. That dude runs his mouth constantly about politics.
2 things:
1.) Enes isn't that good anymore because his skillset isn't compatible with the current pro game as much, and he has regressed due to age.
2.) Enes stance on China is complete ******** just to build a brand for himself since Nike and the other shoe companies wouldn't give him the shoe deal he was shopping for a few years ago. You can read interviews from 2017 and 2018 where he was negotiating with Nike snd others to get a deal. Never once was China or their human rights abuses an issue for him. Until, of course, they turned him down and he was suddenly anti-Nike and anti-Lebron. Except he never would confront either about his statements when given the chance. He just made them to media and acted like a coward anytime he was face-to-face with Lebron or Nike Execs. Enes never gave up any of his salary to the cause; he gladly accepted the NBA paychecks made up in large part from Chinese profits; and he gladly accepted the Nike jersey sales money he made during his career. Enes is a fraud.
1.) Enes isn't that good anymore because his skillset isn't compatible with the current pro game as much, and he has regressed due to age.
2.) Enes stance on China is complete ******** just to build a brand for himself since Nike and the other shoe companies wouldn't give him the shoe deal he was shopping for a few years ago. You can read interviews from 2017 and 2018 where he was negotiating with Nike snd others to get a deal. Never once was China or their human rights abuses an issue for him. Until, of course, they turned him down and he was suddenly anti-Nike and anti-Lebron. Except he never would confront either about his statements when given the chance. He just made them to media and acted like a coward anytime he was face-to-face with Lebron or Nike Execs. Enes never gave up any of his salary to the cause; he gladly accepted the NBA paychecks made up in large part from Chinese profits; and he gladly accepted the Nike jersey sales money he made during his career. Enes is a fraud.
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Pop adds value to the franchise that employs him. Pretty easy to see the difference.
Enes ranked 104 out of 112 for NBA centers last year in FG% from within five feet at 53.3%
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/shooting?PlayerPosition=C&dir=D&sort=Less+Than+5+ft.+FG+PCT
The only players worse? Listed below. What does all but one have in common? They are not on an NBA roster this year. The one, Marko Simonovic, is in the second year of his rookie contract after only playing 9 games last year. Chances are he will not be long for the NBA.
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/shooting?PlayerPosition=C&dir=D&sort=Less+Than+5+ft.+FG+PCT
The only players worse? Listed below. What does all but one have in common? They are not on an NBA roster this year. The one, Marko Simonovic, is in the second year of his rookie contract after only playing 9 games last year. Chances are he will not be long for the NBA.
- Killian Tillie
- Marko Simonovic
- Willie Cauley-Stein
- Cheick Diallo
- Freddie Gillespie
- Jaime Echenique
- Javin DeLaurier
- Jon Teske
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Doesn't hurt that the NBA Brass agrees with ALL of his liberal viewpoints also. However, when it comes to the atrocities committed by Communist China, it's crickets chirping from Ole Pop.
If he was listed as a forward, he would be 263 out of 314 for field goal percentage within 5 feet
If he was listed as a guard, he would rank 216 out of 322
If he was listed as a guard, he would rank 216 out of 322
Didn’t realize he made that much over his career. You are correct hard to feel sorry for him. He should be just fine.
No he is being frozen out of the NBA because he is a very bad basketball player compared to the rest of the NBA at the last valuable postion.
He was terrible when he was last seen, especially his defense. It was not a good look. Not surprising to see some of the tales above though. I’m sure many are the same ones who love to say they don’t care or watch the NBA but will be the first to say he’s good enough to still be playing.
Anything that whoever’s disagreeing with you is “baggage” these days.
“I like the color green”
“WHAT?! What a fool. Everyone knows ywllow is better!”
“Yellow is nice. But I prefer green.”
“Insane. You are insane. There’s no way green is better. You’re stupid.”
“I didn’t say it was. I just like it more”.
“Well. You obviously are not cut out for anythjng in life. We’re going to black ball you unless you hate that color as well. Good luck being labeled a green lover! You must hate Colorland!”
sigh. Itd be funny if it weren’t so damn true.
Is it worth doing business with said market if they are evil incarnate? And I will die on that hill. China persecutes Christians folks. Openly. For all the people that get in a tizzy about faith being under assault because of our culture at home, lol. While that’s not black and white by any means those people are getting throw into labor camps and prisons because of their faith. China is harvesting organs. And selling them in the black market. They are keeping people in 4x4 outbuildings due to zero Covid policy.
I’ll will saying once and a thousand i times. The government of China is EVIL. And while we can’t do a complete boycott of every thing they sell (thanks to globalism, especially in electronics) we can certainly call out their evil ********.
Regardless, it’s sick seeing so many people make excuses for the NBA over political lines.
Facts - Lebron is a lying pos. I don’t care that he promotes your side, he is 100% a lying pos.
Facts - The NBA helps encourage and promote REAL modern day slavery and uses the faux grievance of American political tactics to shield themselves from it. Just like Big Pharm, Big Tech, and the corrupt parts of our government agencies.
Facts - if the NBA suddenly supported “blue lives matter”, vowed to support right wing legislation, and didn’t promote leftist identity politics, the entire body of D’s would be scorching those executives alive using Chinese atrocity rhetoric first. They’d damn near want the entire league shut down. And we all know it.
I really hate these political parties but this is the truth on this issue. And I’m not going to debate any of it because it’s so blatantly obvious that if you DO debate it, you’re a political party hack and I’m not helping you spin off by debate. The problem here is Democrats are supposed to be the party of the little guy, the party of core western liberal values, the party that speaks for communities that are voiceless and don’t have the resources to make a push. Well they are showing on this issue that the only way they’ll do that is if it’s now politically expedient. And it’s why blue collars are leaving them.
Democrats are the party of big business, war, and power now. So spare the American social justice nonsense that’s intended to do nothing more than shield yourself from what you really are. An old school big biz republican that feels awful about themselves. The whole political script is changing.
Facts - Lebron is a lying pos. I don’t care that he promotes your side, he is 100% a lying pos.
Facts - The NBA helps encourage and promote REAL modern day slavery and uses the faux grievance of American political tactics to shield themselves from it. Just like Big Pharm, Big Tech, and the corrupt parts of our government agencies.
Facts - if the NBA suddenly supported “blue lives matter”, vowed to support right wing legislation, and didn’t promote leftist identity politics, the entire body of D’s would be scorching those executives alive using Chinese atrocity rhetoric first. They’d damn near want the entire league shut down. And we all know it.
I really hate these political parties but this is the truth on this issue. And I’m not going to debate any of it because it’s so blatantly obvious that if you DO debate it, you’re a political party hack and I’m not helping you spin off by debate. The problem here is Democrats are supposed to be the party of the little guy, the party of core western liberal values, the party that speaks for communities that are voiceless and don’t have the resources to make a push. Well they are showing on this issue that the only way they’ll do that is if it’s now politically expedient. And it’s why blue collars are leaving them.
Democrats are the party of big business, war, and power now. So spare the American social justice nonsense that’s intended to do nothing more than shield yourself from what you really are. An old school big biz republican that feels awful about themselves. The whole political script is changing.
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Popovich is an absolute ******* moron. He and Kerr both. Both seem like political activists to me honestly.
It's not about politics, it's bashing YOUR employer!! Enes is badmouthing the mouth that feeds him. He goes around bashing other players and the league. Why would the league give him a job? If anyone on this board bashed their job everyday on TV, you'd be blackballed too.
You can't compare him to Kerr or Popovich, or even LeBron. The NBA will let you speak about politics, but they will not going to sacrifice business interests by your constant bashing of them.
You can't compare him to Kerr or Popovich, or even LeBron. The NBA will let you speak about politics, but they will not going to sacrifice business interests by your constant bashing of them.
If your employer is in bed with evil folks I’d hope you’d speak out against it.
Well the NBA was doing China business before he got there, so he should've not been a NBA player in the first place. Also, if he hates China that bad, then he shouldn't buy anything made in China.
He goes on FauxNews all the time and totally rips the NBA, the commish, the owners, players, etc., etc. Why TF would they give him a job?
You do realize how almost impossible it is to not buy stuff made in China. Regardless, I don’t care if it Enes or someone else. The kowtowing to China has to end. If we have to sacrifice the NBA to get a message across? I’m ok with that.
Look a Hack that makes excuses for evil and tries to work an end around to finding ways where his disgusting type is justified.
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