Enough with the doom and gloom with basketball.

[Hanmudog]

Here is what I think is going to happen. Rider was a team we should have beaten easily but they are a good team that will probably make the NCAA tourney. We played and coached with our collective heads up our our coach34's. That game is behind us. Hopefully Stansbury has everyone's attention after a bad loss. I see us ripping off a pretty good win streak, including UCLA. Stans will get his crap together and actually coach. Riek will be eligible in 8 more games to give us more inside presence. I think Kodi will come off the bench for a while until he proves himself all over again but guys like Osby and Lewis will benefit from the increased PT. Bost will rest the next couple of games while Stewart and Turner play the point and come back strong.
I still think we will look back at the end of the year and be proud of this team. Not making excuses because there are none but even Jesus Calipari and his 12 disciples nearly lost to freaking Miami Ohio which probably is not nearly as good as Rider. This stuff happens however it damn well better not happen again. I just hope our team and coaches have not panicked like most of us fans (including myself for 48 hrs).

 

[Hanmudog]

Here is what I think is going to happen. Rider was a team we should have beaten easily but they are a good team that will probably make the NCAA tourney. We played and coached with our collective heads up our our coach34's. That game is behind us. Hopefully Stansbury has everyone's attention after a bad loss. I see us ripping off a pretty good win streak, including UCLA. Stans will get his crap together and actually coach. Riek will be eligible in 8 more games to give us more inside presence. I think Kodi will come off the bench for a while until he proves himself all over again but guys like Osby and Lewis will benefit from the increased PT. Bost will rest the next couple of games while Stewart and Turner play the point and come back strong.
I still think we will look back at the end of the year and be proud of this team. Not making excuses because there are none but even Jesus Calipari and his 12 disciples nearly lost to freaking Miami Ohio which probably is not nearly as good as Rider. This stuff happens however it damn well better not happen again. I just hope our team and coaches have not panicked like most of us fans (including myself for 48 hrs).

 

[Hanmudog]

Here is what I think is going to happen. Rider was a team we should have beaten easily but they are a good team that will probably make the NCAA tourney. We played and coached with our collective heads up our our coach34's. That game is behind us. Hopefully Stansbury has everyone's attention after a bad loss. I see us ripping off a pretty good win streak, including UCLA. Stans will get his crap together and actually coach. Riek will be eligible in 8 more games to give us more inside presence. I think Kodi will come off the bench for a while until he proves himself all over again but guys like Osby and Lewis will benefit from the increased PT. Bost will rest the next couple of games while Stewart and Turner play the point and come back strong.
I still think we will look back at the end of the year and be proud of this team. Not making excuses because there are none but even Jesus Calipari and his 12 disciples nearly lost to freaking Miami Ohio which probably is not nearly as good as Rider. This stuff happens however it damn well better not happen again. I just hope our team and coaches have not panicked like most of us fans (including myself for 48 hrs).

 

[Hanmudog]

Here is what I think is going to happen. Rider was a team we should have beaten easily but they are a good team that will probably make the NCAA tourney. We played and coached with our collective heads up our our coach34's. That game is behind us. Hopefully Stansbury has everyone's attention after a bad loss. I see us ripping off a pretty good win streak, including UCLA. Stans will get his crap together and actually coach. Riek will be eligible in 8 more games to give us more inside presence. I think Kodi will come off the bench for a while until he proves himself all over again but guys like Osby and Lewis will benefit from the increased PT. Bost will rest the next couple of games while Stewart and Turner play the point and come back strong.
I still think we will look back at the end of the year and be proud of this team. Not making excuses because there are none but even Jesus Calipari and his 12 disciples nearly lost to freaking Miami Ohio which probably is not nearly as good as Rider. This stuff happens however it damn well better not happen again. I just hope our team and coaches have not panicked like most of us fans (including myself for 48 hrs).

 

[Bdog9090]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaab/recap?gid=200911160606

Cal-State Fullerton 68, UCLA 65: It did not take long to get to our first big upset of this week's college hoops marathon; UCLA and CSU-Fullerton were more than happy to oblige. Really, UCLA did most of the work. Thanks UCLA! What do I mean? At Pauley Pavilion, the Bruins shot 26-of-84 from the field, including -- get this -- 5-of-29 from three, giving them a grand total of 31 percent from the field on the evening. The Bruins also missed nine of their 17 free throws. This is not how you win games, not against anybody, and Fullerton made Ben Howland's squad pay (despite chucking up a 40 percent shooting night of its own) with a double-overtime loss on national television. Aaron Thompson was the Fullerton star, scoring 22 points on 7-of-9 shooting -- apparently UCLA was not taking notes -- while also grabbing nine rebounds. Bust out the The Gun, kids. It's time to do some pre-practice chucking.

After the game I was really pissed about the loss. It pretty much erased all expectations I have for this team. But now I'm over it.

 

[gtowndawg]

we started off with a bad loss. I think it was L. Roberts senior year in fact? I remember going to the Arkansas game and then the basketball game right after it and expecting us to kill se louisiana (or whoever it was). Some guy hit something like 9 three's. We went on that year with a strong showing. Heck, didn't we struggle early in the season in 96?

Anyway, I think we will be fine. Don't get me wrong, it pissed me off, but I still think we're going to be extremely strong this year.

 

[SanfordRJones]

Arkansas-Little Rock (coached by Wimp Sanderson) beat us at home on a buzzer beater.

 

[lawdawg02]

and i believe SWLouisiana had the white guy that was raining threes on us a few years ago.

 

[rugbdawg]

nm.

 

[Agentdog]

UALR also had a guy named Derrick Fisher on that team. I know nothing about Rider. However, I would be surprised if they have a guy go in the 1st round of the draft this year.

On the original post, here is what will happen this season. He will lose every OOC game against a quality opponent. He will win more than we lose in the SEC. We will be watching the NCAA bubble closely in late February and early March. We will either win a few in the NIT or lose the first one in the NCAA. I have seen this movie before.

 

[CalNaughtonJr.sixpack]

was Mario Austin's senior year I think '03- I was absolutely devistated much like I was with Rider. I was keeping up with the Rider game on my Iphone while eating dinner at Outback with some friends and all the while I was not saying a word at the table and my friends could not understand why I was so upset. They were like" hey man it's just basketball" or " why are you so mad about that"

 

[sparky39762]

02-03, the final years of Zimmerman, Ignerski, and Austin

 

[RonnyAtmosphere]

..Granted, everybody was pissed @ the Rider loss, but Stansbury's team almost always start out looking like Ned & the primer, yet miraculously get their crap together by the time SEC play arrives.

And I know all about "it hurts our RPI to lose to Rider." I would rather lose to Rider now than to South Carolina, Auburn or Alabama in Jan. or Feb.

If you want to make this anecdotal, saw where #5 Kentucky beat some wimp by only 2 the other night. In the coming weeks, there will be many near upsets & several real upsets.

MSU is about to play 6 or 7 games in nine days.

At the end of that stretch, if there have been only 3 wins, I'll begin to join sixpack.com in freaking out about the basketball team.

 

[Coach34]

1. The team will go on a little run 4-0 run against these nobodys and the board will shower me and Fishwater with love as usual.
2. Then we will lose to Missouri- Fish, D@A, and I will remind you that we cant seem to ever beat a decent OOC team. The sheep then whine and pout and ask DS why we arent banned again.
3. Then we win a couple- the sheep shower us with love again.
4. Then we lose to UCLA- the sheep whine about having to play in Fla and then fly to Cali to play. Thats why we lost- its not Bury's fault
5. Then we get on thru the OOC and end up with 4 losses- 11-4 heading into SEC play- the sheep crowing about how we looking good heading into SEC play, and Fish, D@ A, and myself wondering how in the hell we aren't 14-1?

6. Then we have witty banter back and forth through the SEC schedule...Stansbury leads them to a 10-6 SEC record...21-10 heading into the SEC Tourney...win one, lose one in the Tourney...

7. 22-11....7 seed in the NCAA- Stansbury sheep bitching because we are lower than they thought we should be...and then a shocking 1st round loss to some obscure 10 seed

8. Fish, D@ A, and I remind everyone about those stupid losses we had in the OOC schedule and how it cost us being a 4 or 5 seed...sheep write it off as another year of bad luck in the NCAA's

Its the same story on here every damn year...its not hard to see how it plays out

 

[The Fatboy]

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[615dawg]

of course that win was later vacated by ULL, as well as their runs to the 2004 and 2005 NCAA tournament. But it was a similar situation. We were ranked, highly expected season opener against a capable team, and that little prick hit everything he threw up. I swear he hit a 40 footer with Zimmerman's finger up his nose.

 

[RonnyAtmosphere]

... spew feces all over every single basketball thread for the next four months.

We are well aware of how it works by now.

 

[fishwater99]

The only possible exception will be if Sidney gets cleared.
If he doesn't the sheep will say the NCAA has it out MSU, then continue to blame early season loses on the lack of Sidney and all the injuries we have had.
It all comes back to coaching or lack thereof.

 

[gtowndawg]

nm

 

[markymark.sixpack]

just how many games short of our realistic potential do we fall if we lose in the round of 32? One game? Two? Even the wooliest of the wooly can't argue any more than two. I think our real problem through the years is unrealistic expectations. When I originally looked at our roster for this year, I figured 4 or so more wins than last year (which I still think is realistic). Everyone (including you c34 - although we all know your ulterior motives behind setting high expectations) was saying we would win the SEC outright, at least sweet 16, if we get sidney...well, final four here we come. Then when it appeared sidney was getting cleared, i actually found myself getting wooly. Our fan base is notorious for unrealistic expectations, then we ***** when we fall short of them. Right now, we have one player on our team who will ever play real minutes in the NBA, that's jarvis, and he's not even a guaranteed 1st rounder. If Sidney gets cleared, that's two. Kodi & Osby maybe Dee will all go the way of our other famous players (bower, zimmerman, frazier, etc.). think back...how many players have we put in the NBA since the 96 team? How many between 1970 and 1996? Roberts was our best prospect, and he can't hack it. He's too small. NBA players don't come through MSU. Stansbury does a great job at finding good college talent and maximizing their potential. Teams that make the elite 8 and beyond always have a roster with 1 or more future NBA players, so I submit that we fall one to two games per season short of our true potential. So, if you think we should fire him and run a high risk of falling to the bottom of the SEC standings in an attempt to find someone that can get us those 1-2 games, then that's your perogative...you just need to understand that's what you're doing.

And I don't want to hear that we don't have NBA talent b/c he can't recruit. There are maybe 30-40 players a year with that potential and most of them are going to go to Duke, UNC, Kentucky, Kansas, Mich St, or UCLA. MSU is not getting that kind of talent on a regular basis without forking out some serious dough (which I'm not saying i would be against).

 

[Hanmudog]

I really just don't give a F$#^ what you think. I am going to enjoy the ONLY winning men's team we have on campus. I am just about tired of letting dubmasses like you get under my skin. We will finish with around 24-25 wins and I will be happy as a pig in **** after watching losing baseball and football for the better part of the last 7-8 years.

 

[markymark.sixpack]

nm

 

[Coach34]

I really just don't give a F$#^ what you think. I am going to enjoy the ONLY winning men's team we have on campus. I am just about tired of letting dubmasses like you get under my skin. We will finish with around 24-25 wins and I will be happy as a pig in **** after watching losing baseball and football for the better part of the last 7-8 years.

the baseball went to Omaha....thats called being successful, especially since our baseball team doesnt play in a 6th rate conference

 

[Hanmudog]

Did that one trip to Omaha make you feel good about the crappy teams we have put on the diamond for the rest of the decade? I would hell of alot rather be hosting regionals every year that making it to Omaha once a decade. THat is your problem (other than the fact that you are full of feces), you think one accomplishment masks years of suckitude. Does making it to Atlanta years ago in football make you feel better about right now? Hell no. Yet year after year Stansbury puts winning teams on the floor. THat is the only thing we can count on at MSU for the last decade. If you would rather ***** about it nonstop than enjoy actually winning in something then that is your prerogative.

 

[Coach34]

"Its better to achieve greatness one time in your lifetime, even if you fail many other times, than to just be constantly average and never take that risk"

 

[markymark.sixpack]

"Its better to achieve greatness one time in your lifetime, even if it you fail many other times, than to just be constantly average and never take that risk"

"Go 17 yourself, then go eat a bullet or three"

 

[HD6]

you don't need to put quotation marks around your own words here in the post.

 

[Coach34]

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[Berserker.sixpack]

Look at this ...

<div class="post-body"> <div class="scrolling"> "Here is what I think is going to happen."

"Rider was a team we should have beaten easily but they are a good team that will probably make the NCAA tourney."

"Hopefully Stansbury has everyone's attention after a bad loss."

"I see us ripping off a pretty good win streak."

"I still think we will look back at the end of the year ..."

"... to freaking Miami Ohio which probably is not nearly as good as Rider."

"I just hope ..."

Coulda/woulda ... ugh ...

Btw, has anyone ever noticed that MSU loses those games because of the RAT? Over and over ... piss poor perimeter defense ...
</div> </div>

 

[markymark.sixpack]

you can't even make up your own damn mind

 

[HD6]

win championships, go to the tournament, and in general win twice as much as we lose. Over and over again. And if that doesn't put you on the Fire Stansbury bandwagon, I don't know what else to say.

Since the rest of us think and you obviously know, fill us in on how the rest of the season will play out. Put your name on it.

 

[Berserker.sixpack]

I can't predict how the season will play out given Stansbury's well-known proclivities/defiencies.

Yet, is it far fetched to look for a least a sweet sixteen, given the players MSU has, Sydney or not? Many here think so ...

 

[HD6]

that the only time MSU has ever made a Sweet Sixteen we had a lottery pick, and the only Final Four came with that same lottery pick and another first rounder, and then you look at this year's team and don't see any for sure first round picks, you tell me.

I've done this research too many times, but believe me when I say the overwhelming majority of teams that make the second weekend have at least one first rounder on the team. Our best player is considered a possible first rounder, and it's for his defensive prowess. We don't have any scorers that our opponents would fear. We have four or five guys capable of getting double figures if their shots are falling, but not even one guy who can just take over a game on pure talent. Maybe Sidney, but he will never see the floor for us. So I will be surprised if we go any further in the tournament this year than we have in years prior unless we can get hot at the right time.

 

[Hanmudog]

"Its better to achieve greatness one time in your lifetime, even if it you fail many other times, than to just be constantly average and never take that risk"

In a given decade, you would rather have 9 losing seasons and a trip to Omaha/Atlanta than be a consistent winner that does not advance to Omaha/Atlanta? Would you not take the success of Ole Miss baseball or Georgia football over the last decade?
You get more full of **** by the second.

 

[futaba.79]

you're telling me he made up a quote?

 

[dawgstudent]

As the underdog, it's an upset if you beat the spread but still lose.

 

[HD6]

I googled search the quote and nothing came back. Draw your own conclusions.

 

[RebelBruiser]

especially under Stans. Last year, you lost to Charlotte and San Diego in Starkville. You lost to Southern Illinois, Miami (OH), and South Alabama in 2007-2008. In 2006-2007, you lost to George Mason and Winthrop. In each of those years, you had pretty good basketball teams by the end of the year and especially in conference play.

Stans always seems to take at least one or two head scratcher losses in OOC play before bringing it together for a solid conference season. Unfortunately, at times the head scratcher losses made the difference between an NIT and an NCAA bid.

 

[futaba.79]

he really needs to be writing. I eagerly await his next gem. </p>

 

[fishwater99]

especially under Stans. Last year, you lost to Charlotte and San Diego in Starkville. You lost to Southern Illinois, Miami (OH), and South Alabama in 2007-2008. In 2006-2007, you lost to George Mason and Winthrop. In each of those years, you had pretty good basketball teams by the end of the year and especially in conference play.

Stans always seems to take at least one or two head scratcher losses in OOC play before bringing it together for a solid conference season. Unfortunately, at times the head scratcher losses made the difference between an NIT and an NCAA bid.

The problem is this is pretty much the same team that we won the SEC tourney with last year and we lose to freaking Rider..... Kodi was right, he should have played more and we were out-coached again.