EPA draining the swamp of warmists

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Delingpole: And So It Begins, Trump’s Great Climate Purge…


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by JAMES DELINGPOLE8 May 2017507


EPA Administrator, Scott Pruitt, perhaps stung by criticism that he was turning into a squish – today reaffirmed, in an interview with CNBC, that he is not a believer in catastrophic man-made global warming.


“I think that measuring with precision human activity on the climate is something very challenging to do and there’s tremendous disagreement about the degree of impact. So no, I would not agree that it’s a primary contributor to the global warming that we see. But we don’t know that yet…”

This new boldness coincides with a purge of warmist scientific advisers at both the EPA and the Interior Department.

EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt has chosen to replace half of the members on one of its key scientific review boards, while Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke is “reviewing the charter and charge” of more than 200 advisory boards, committees, and other entities both within and outside of his department. EPA and Interior officials began informing outside advisers of the move on Friday, and notifications continued over the weekend.

Pruitt’s move could significantly change the makeup of the 18-member Board of Scientific Counselors, which advises EPA’s key scientific arm on whether the research it does has sufficient rigor and integrity. All of the members being dismissed were at the end of serving at least one three-year term, although these terms are often renewed instead of terminated.

Among the tragic victims is Robert Richardson, a Michigan professor and “ecological economist”, who tweeted movingly about his martyrdom.

Robert Richardson‏@ecotrope
Today, I was Trumped. I have had the pleasure of serving on the EPA Board of Scientific Counselors, and my appointment was terminated today.

A closer look at the man’s biog gives a few clues as to why his contract was not renewed:

His research, teaching, and outreach program focuses primarily on sustainable development, and he uses a variety of methods from the behavioral and social sciences to study decision-making about the use of natural resources and the values of ecosystem services.

Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.

But the biggest sign of Trump’s commitment to slaying the Green Blob is expected tomorrow when we’ll finally hear whether or not the president means to keep his election promise to pull the US out of the Paris climate agreement.

If this happens it will be a disaster for the U.S., with the only beneficiary being White House chief strategist Steve Bannon. At least that’s what environmental journalist David Roberts claims in Vox.

Given that Roberts is the guy who once called for Nuremberg-style trials for climate skeptics perhaps his views should be taken with a pinch of salt.

Nonetheless, he is quite right when he argues that whether the U.S. stays in or out of Paris it will make little difference on the policy front.

[The agreement] asks participants only to state what they are willing to do and to account for what they’ve done. It is, in a word, voluntary.

Roberts suspects, as I do, that the legalistic reasons being advanced for pulling out of Paris have probably been overdone.

But whatever works is fine by me. The important thing is for the U.S. to pull out of Paris not in order to facilitate exit from Obama’s Clean Power Plan or to avert legal action from politicized litigators like the Sierra Club but purely as an upward extension of the presidential middle finger to the bloated, corrupt and overmighty Climate Industrial Complex.

If and when Trump pulls the U.S. out of Paris it won’t be the end for the Green Blob, nor even the beginning of the end. But it might, perhaps, be the end of the beginning. It will be arguably the first big signal by any major leader of the Western world that the tide on the Great Global Warming Scam is about to turn and that the Alarmists are about to be crushed by fortune’s wheel.
 

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Delingpole: And So It Begins, Trump’s Great Climate Purge…


AP/Francois Mori

by JAMES DELINGPOLE8 May 2017507


EPA Administrator, Scott Pruitt, perhaps stung by criticism that he was turning into a squish – today reaffirmed, in an interview with CNBC, that he is not a believer in catastrophic man-made global warming.


“I think that measuring with precision human activity on the climate is something very challenging to do and there’s tremendous disagreement about the degree of impact. So no, I would not agree that it’s a primary contributor to the global warming that we see. But we don’t know that yet…”

This new boldness coincides with a purge of warmist scientific advisers at both the EPA and the Interior Department.

EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt has chosen to replace half of the members on one of its key scientific review boards, while Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke is “reviewing the charter and charge” of more than 200 advisory boards, committees, and other entities both within and outside of his department. EPA and Interior officials began informing outside advisers of the move on Friday, and notifications continued over the weekend.

Pruitt’s move could significantly change the makeup of the 18-member Board of Scientific Counselors, which advises EPA’s key scientific arm on whether the research it does has sufficient rigor and integrity. All of the members being dismissed were at the end of serving at least one three-year term, although these terms are often renewed instead of terminated.

Among the tragic victims is Robert Richardson, a Michigan professor and “ecological economist”, who tweeted movingly about his martyrdom.

Robert Richardson‏@ecotrope
Today, I was Trumped. I have had the pleasure of serving on the EPA Board of Scientific Counselors, and my appointment was terminated today.

A closer look at the man’s biog gives a few clues as to why his contract was not renewed:

His research, teaching, and outreach program focuses primarily on sustainable development, and he uses a variety of methods from the behavioral and social sciences to study decision-making about the use of natural resources and the values of ecosystem services.

Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.

But the biggest sign of Trump’s commitment to slaying the Green Blob is expected tomorrow when we’ll finally hear whether or not the president means to keep his election promise to pull the US out of the Paris climate agreement.

If this happens it will be a disaster for the U.S., with the only beneficiary being White House chief strategist Steve Bannon. At least that’s what environmental journalist David Roberts claims in Vox.

Given that Roberts is the guy who once called for Nuremberg-style trials for climate skeptics perhaps his views should be taken with a pinch of salt.

Nonetheless, he is quite right when he argues that whether the U.S. stays in or out of Paris it will make little difference on the policy front.

[The agreement] asks participants only to state what they are willing to do and to account for what they’ve done. It is, in a word, voluntary.

Roberts suspects, as I do, that the legalistic reasons being advanced for pulling out of Paris have probably been overdone.

But whatever works is fine by me. The important thing is for the U.S. to pull out of Paris not in order to facilitate exit from Obama’s Clean Power Plan or to avert legal action from politicized litigators like the Sierra Club but purely as an upward extension of the presidential middle finger to the bloated, corrupt and overmighty Climate Industrial Complex.

If and when Trump pulls the U.S. out of Paris it won’t be the end for the Green Blob, nor even the beginning of the end. But it might, perhaps, be the end of the beginning. It will be arguably the first big signal by any major leader of the Western world that the tide on the Great Global Warming Scam is about to turn and that the Alarmists are about to be crushed by fortune’s wheel.

Good. It's a giant scam.
 

atlkvb

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I think you'll be changing your tune on this within a decade, but I hope I'm wrong.

They haven't been correct yet over the past 50 years boom with their 'global warming" models and dire predictions...so I doubt they all of a sudden are going to start hitting the marks they've setting for our imminent doom.

Besides, I probably won't be around anyway to see if it turns out to be true or not, but so far their track record for accuracy in predictions is about as good as ours was with Penn State in Football until around 1984 after decades of futility.
 

Boomboom521

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We have a lot longer to go in climate science than 10 years would permit.
Imo, in 10 years some of the effects of climate change will be undeniable, and man's impact will have to be addressed. Unfortunately, until it hurts many Americans in the bank account, they simply won't care. As droughts, fires, extreme weather, and flooding increase in frequency....and it impacts the US financially....I think many deniers will feel a little responsible for being so cavalier in their assessment of the impact of man.
 

atlkvb

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Imo, in 10 years some of the effects of climate change will be undeniable, and man's impact will have to be addressed. Unfortunately, until it hurts many Americans in the bank account, they simply won't care. As droughts, fires, extreme weather, and flooding increase in frequency....and it impacts the US financially....I think many deniers will feel a little responsible for being so cavalier in their assessment of the impact of man.

boomer (seriously) what can we (Man) do about a drought?

Until it rains again which we have no control over we're basically screwed aren't we!

Extreme weather.

Let's say we could "change it". How would we go about doing that? Let's agree it's our new National policy. OK?


So, how would we stop a flood?

Sure we can build dams, and berms, and build up coastline, but when it actually rains steady for 7 straight days and floods out low level flat lands how do we actually make it stop raining on demand to prevent further flooding or keep it from happening in the first place?

If droughts are sapping us dry, or floods are overwhelming us with water, why can't we instantly control both to our advantages one for the other?

What's the "plan" to do that?

Either turn off the spigot when we have too much water pouring in or turn it on when we need more h2O. Right?

Come to think of it, if we could somehow control when or how much water we get, why can't we just make it?
 

WVPATX

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Imo, in 10 years some of the effects of climate change will be undeniable, and man's impact will have to be addressed. Unfortunately, until it hurts many Americans in the bank account, they simply won't care. As droughts, fires, extreme weather, and flooding increase in frequency....and it impacts the US financially....I think many deniers will feel a little responsible for being so cavalier in their assessment of the impact of man.

none of these productions made previously have happened yet. Thus far the last half of 16 and early 17 temperatures have dropped not risen. And even if those events do occur, the question will be what is man's role? I posted a chart earlier that indicated we had temperatures much higher than today with far less C02.
 
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none of these productions made previously have happened yet. Thus far the last half of 16 and early 17 temperatures have dropped not risen. And even if those events do occur, the question will be what is man's role? I posted a chart earlier that indicated we had temperatures much higher than today with far less C02.

Idiot.
 

dave

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Delingpole: And So It Begins, Trump’s Great Climate Purge…


AP/Francois Mori

by JAMES DELINGPOLE8 May 2017507


EPA Administrator, Scott Pruitt, perhaps stung by criticism that he was turning into a squish – today reaffirmed, in an interview with CNBC, that he is not a believer in catastrophic man-made global warming.


“I think that measuring with precision human activity on the climate is something very challenging to do and there’s tremendous disagreement about the degree of impact. So no, I would not agree that it’s a primary contributor to the global warming that we see. But we don’t know that yet…”

This new boldness coincides with a purge of warmist scientific advisers at both the EPA and the Interior Department.

EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt has chosen to replace half of the members on one of its key scientific review boards, while Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke is “reviewing the charter and charge” of more than 200 advisory boards, committees, and other entities both within and outside of his department. EPA and Interior officials began informing outside advisers of the move on Friday, and notifications continued over the weekend.

Pruitt’s move could significantly change the makeup of the 18-member Board of Scientific Counselors, which advises EPA’s key scientific arm on whether the research it does has sufficient rigor and integrity. All of the members being dismissed were at the end of serving at least one three-year term, although these terms are often renewed instead of terminated.

Among the tragic victims is Robert Richardson, a Michigan professor and “ecological economist”, who tweeted movingly about his martyrdom.

Robert Richardson‏@ecotrope
Today, I was Trumped. I have had the pleasure of serving on the EPA Board of Scientific Counselors, and my appointment was terminated today.

A closer look at the man’s biog gives a few clues as to why his contract was not renewed:

His research, teaching, and outreach program focuses primarily on sustainable development, and he uses a variety of methods from the behavioral and social sciences to study decision-making about the use of natural resources and the values of ecosystem services.

Oh dear. How sad. Never mind.

But the biggest sign of Trump’s commitment to slaying the Green Blob is expected tomorrow when we’ll finally hear whether or not the president means to keep his election promise to pull the US out of the Paris climate agreement.

If this happens it will be a disaster for the U.S., with the only beneficiary being White House chief strategist Steve Bannon. At least that’s what environmental journalist David Roberts claims in Vox.

Given that Roberts is the guy who once called for Nuremberg-style trials for climate skeptics perhaps his views should be taken with a pinch of salt.

Nonetheless, he is quite right when he argues that whether the U.S. stays in or out of Paris it will make little difference on the policy front.

[The agreement] asks participants only to state what they are willing to do and to account for what they’ve done. It is, in a word, voluntary.

Roberts suspects, as I do, that the legalistic reasons being advanced for pulling out of Paris have probably been overdone.

But whatever works is fine by me. The important thing is for the U.S. to pull out of Paris not in order to facilitate exit from Obama’s Clean Power Plan or to avert legal action from politicized litigators like the Sierra Club but purely as an upward extension of the presidential middle finger to the bloated, corrupt and overmighty Climate Industrial Complex.

If and when Trump pulls the U.S. out of Paris it won’t be the end for the Green Blob, nor even the beginning of the end. But it might, perhaps, be the end of the beginning. It will be arguably the first big signal by any major leader of the Western world that the tide on the Great Global Warming Scam is about to turn and that the Alarmists are about to be crushed by fortune’s wheel.
I guess they got possession of that list that the board moron said they would never see.
 

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Imo, in 10 years some of the effects of climate change will be undeniable, and man's impact will have to be addressed. Unfortunately, until it hurts many Americans in the bank account, they simply won't care. As droughts, fires, extreme weather, and flooding increase in frequency....and it impacts the US financially....I think many deniers will feel a little responsible for being so cavalier in their assessment of the impact of man.
ELOHHHHHEL.
 

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As droughts, fires, extreme weather, and flooding increase in frequency

Droughts, fires, extreme weather, and flooding have always occurred. Stop it. The environment of specific areas are always changing. You all are trying to create a control for a zero change location. It's absurd. The argument has been framed where you can't be wrong regardless of what happens. Climatologists are sounding more and more like scientologists.
 

Boomboom521

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Droughts, fires, extreme weather, and flooding have always occurred. Stop it. The environment of specific areas are always changing. You all are trying to create a control for a zero change location. It's absurd. The argument has been framed where you can't be wrong regardless of what happens. Climatologists are sounding more and more like scientologists.
It's funny when people who know very little about a certain field, think they know more than those who devote their lives to it. I respect your thinking, but there are areas in which your not an expert.
 

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It's funny when people who know very little about a certain field, think they know more than those who devote their lives to it. I respect your thinking, but there are areas in which your not an expert.
I don't pretend to be. I'm not stating that change is or isn't occurring. I'm stating the argument you just made was absurd. I typically stay out of the Global Warming discussions because I don't spend the time research it.

I will say, I don't believe the "man made" impacts to be as bad as the Left pretends it to be nor anywhere close to being settled science. I do believe we should be cognizant of pollutants and clean up the environment. I also agree we shouldn't radically shift the economy over speculative science.

The problem as I see is that there have been too many instances of changing and manipulating data to support the left. They've played dirty pool and given an avenue to cast doubt, their models have always been wrong thus casting more doubt, and these fields are influenced by money just like every other field. First time these specific science wonks have gotten any attention and ***** since Twister came out and being a tornado chaser was cool.
 

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The problem as I see is that there have been too many instances of changing and manipulating data to support the left. They've played dirty pool and given an avenue to cast doubt, their models have always been wrong thus casting more doubt, and these fields are influenced by money just like every other field.


This is all that matters (the money) because all of the remedies to "fix" so called 'climate change' on the Left involve massive income redistribution.

There is nothing else they propose that either can or will fix the problem if there even is one. Not only have their computer models been all wrong, but their proposed remedies never give a date specific when we can measure results of their prescriptions to solve the problem.

So they have the best of both worlds just as you suggested in your post.

They get to make all sorts of wild predictions without ever being held to account. Or they simply shift the terms of doom so nothing is ever confirmed.

Then they have no obligation to produce any tangible results by any date certain which conveniently allows them to just keep perpetuating the myth that doom is imminent unless we volunteer more money for them to redistribute.
 

Boomboom521

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I don't pretend to be. I'm not stating that change is or isn't occurring. I'm stating the argument you just made was absurd. I typically stay out of the Global Warming discussions because I don't spend the time research it.

I will say, I don't believe the "man made" impacts to be as bad as the Left pretends it to be nor anywhere close to being settled science. I do believe we should be cognizant of pollutants and clean up the environment. I also agree we shouldn't radically shift the economy over speculative science.

The problem as I see is that there have been too many instances of changing and manipulating data to support the left. They've played dirty pool and given an avenue to cast doubt, their models have always been wrong thus casting more doubt, and these fields are influenced by money just like every other field. First time these specific science wonks have gotten any attention and ***** since Twister came out and being a tornado chaser was cool.
The tricky thing is that scientists, literally in the field, devoting their lives to this issue are dismissed as "leftist". People, mostly who are trying to protect their own personal financial stakes, are belittling what they do as political. "Warmists"? What's ridiculous is how political this issue has become. If I advocate for us to focus on processes to quell heart disease or cancer, say through restrictions on plastics, chemicals, or surface mining.....it's "leftist" and all political.

Climate change is occurring. Pollution has occurred for many decades now. It's a problem. Pushing for cleaner energy, cleaner business practices that are safer for the environment is a positive for the planet....it's not part of a global democratic - liberal conspiracy. Really, it's people worried about their children (at least in my case).
 

atlkvb

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The tricky thing is that scientists, literally in the field, devoting their lives to this issue are dismissed as "leftist". People, mostly who are trying to protect their own personal financial stakes, are belittling what they do as political. "Warmists"? What's ridiculous is how political this issue has become. If I advocate for us to focus on processes to quell heart disease or cancer, say through restrictions on plastics, chemicals, or surface mining.....it's "leftist" and all political.

Climate change is occurring. Pollution has occurred for many decades now. It's a problem. Pushing for cleaner energy, cleaner business practices that are safer for the environment is a positive for the planet....it's not part of a global democratic - liberal conspiracy. Really, it's people worried about their children (at least in my case).

If these people who "dedicate their lives" to this work are experts in their field, why are they so consistently wrong in their predictive models?

Can you link us to any that have turned out as predicted?

I remember as a little tyke in grammar school back in the early 60's they were telling us by the year 2000 we'd be swallowed under water once all of the polar ice caps had melted.

Not only did they not melt, they're freezing over harder than ever!

Remember this?

http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/20/global-warming-expedition-stopped-in-its-tracks-by-arctic-sea-ice/
 

TarHeelEer

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What's your point?

Pollution has been an issue since we inhabited the earth, just on different scales. You say decades because that's when we have supposedly (NASA "corrected" the historical numbers... twice) have reliable temperature records, which is global cooling, errr, global warming, errr, no, climate change! That's an entirely different issue.

Pollution is an issue that we should deal with always, and always strive to do better, without reaking havoc to our economy.

Even if warmists' worst predictions are true, I don't worry about my kids that much in regards to climate change. I always reinforce the "adapt and survive" mentality. We don't rely on other's for much, and don't be held in debt to someone else for long. But as said, even though the science is settled, I truly don't think it is. Our scientists think too much of themselves.
 
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I'm so torn on this issue. I don't know whom to believe. Do I believe a bunch of scientists who have visited the moon several times, put a rover on Mars, developed telescopes to see the extremes of our galaxy, or do I believe a lobbyist who attempts to influence Congress on legislation?
 

Boomboom521

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Pollution has been an issue since we inhabited the earth, just on different scales. You say decades because that's when we have supposedly (NASA "corrected" the historical numbers... twice) have reliable temperature records, which is global cooling, errr, global warming, errr, no, climate change! That's an entirely different issue.

Pollution is an issue that we should deal with always, and always strive to do better, without reaking havoc to our economy.

Even if warmists' worst predictions are true, I don't worry about my kids that much in regards to climate change. I always reinforce the "adapt and survive" mentality. We don't rely on other's for much, and don't be held in debt to someone else for long. But as said, even though the science is settled, I truly don't think it is. Our scientists think too much of themselves.
First of all: I said "many decades" and I was referencing the times since the industrial revolution when pollution hit a massive scale. I was not referencing global warming. I believe we should conduct business with costs to our environment always factored into the equation.

Adaptation is a wonderful thing. I agree with you completely. Why can't business adapt? Why does it have to be the one absolute that all else must adapt to? Look at your kids, your wife(?), and tell me money is everything....of course not. It's absolutely a must, and very high on my list.....but it's not the absolute. A conservative friend once said to me: "if the planet was really in trouble, we would all be forced to recycle". I think that says a lot. Many conservatives just assume that the bad will be remedied, but also want to prevent those trying to remedy problems from doing anything through government.

Sometimes it pays to be proactive doesn't it? Not all costs show up on a balance sheet, right?
 

TarHeelEer

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Sometimes it pays to be proactive doesn't it? Not all costs show up on a balance sheet, right?

You're talking to a developer working on near bleeding edge technology with the fortune 500's of retail and quick serve restaurants. Proactive is good.

Relying on knowledge and technology that is incomplete is not being proactive.
 

atlkvb

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Many conservatives just assume that the bad will be remedied, but also want to prevent those trying to remedy problems from doing anything through government

The problem is the Left thinks only Government can do what we are perfectly capable of doing. Yet, its track record is failure, or at the very least making things worse than they otherwise would have been if they had just left us alone to do what's in our best interests.

The "Nanny State" is not benevolent. It is malicious.

Look At China, North Korea, Argentina, Venezuela, Cuba, Vitenam, the Former Soviet Block, the Soviet Union. All run by central planners running Big Government under the banner of Socialist utopia and ALL abject failures.