ESCC.CCL Divisions

[godfthr53]

Ok I took it upon myself to roughly take Regular season wins (is this what they are using or is it conference wins or total wins?) x 70% and enrollment divided by 2 (assumption schools are 50/50) x 30%. I used 30% because I can't figure out football participation so my assumption was that # of boys in school would be the same order greatest to smallest as male enrollment.

1 thing I noticed is that each division travel time is very minimal. If you were to do geographically it wouldn't look much different IMO.

I get the following

Group A
Chicago (Marist)
Niles (Notre Dame)
Loyola
Mt Carmel

Group B
LaGrange Park (Nazareth Academy)
Lisle (Benet Academy)
Montini
Provi

Group C
Iggy
Brother Rice
Fenwick
St Rita

Group D
De La Salle
Chicago (St. Patrick)
St Laurence
Marmion

Group E
Woodstock (Marian)
Mundelein (Carmel)
Arlington Heights (St. Viator)
Joliet (Catholic Academy)

Group F
Leo
Chicago Heights (Marian)
St Joes
Depaul

 

[pjjp]

Not bad. We'll see how this season turns out, but those groupings look reasonable.

 

[godfthr53]

Not bad. We'll see how this season turns out, but those groupings look reasonable.

FYI - I used current wins from this season so far.

 

[No Bias---Just Reality]

You damn well know they are going to follow the formula, not like the results and start tweaking until they get what they want....

Example: they will pull ND out of that top group; they won’t let Brother Rice stay down in that “lower” group; they will want to ram Nazareth and Montini up as high as they can; etc.

They will claim its to keep rivalries, start new ones, keep balance, and blend the conferences better. They probably won’t let a division like your “E” exist where it’s all former ESCC teams.

 

[godfthr53]

I'm sure there were preliminary Divisions or I doubt the ESCC would've voted. They have to stick to formula.

 

[No Bias---Just Reality]

I'm sure there were preliminary Divisions or I doubt the ESCC would've voted. They have to stick to formula.

You had previously claimed ESCC schools already knew the divisions prior to voting, but now they are saying they won’t determine until season ends. Funny thing is last time they re-aligned the CCL they didn’t use the latest season like they are here. Otherwise Fenwick would have went to Blue and not montini.

 

[Wittymoniker1]

Ok I took it upon myself to roughly take Regular season wins (is this what they are using or is it conference wins or total wins?) x 70% and enrollment divided by 2 (assumption schools are 50/50) x 30%. I used 30% because I can't figure out football participation so my assumption was that # of boys in school would be the same order greatest to smallest as male enrollment.

1 thing I noticed is that each division travel time is very minimal. If you were to do geographically it wouldn't look much different IMO.

I get the following

Group A
Chicago (Marist)
Niles (Notre Dame)
Loyola
Mt Carmel

Group B
LaGrange Park (Nazareth Academy)
Lisle (Benet Academy)
Montini
Provi

Group C
Iggy
Brother Rice
Fenwick
St Rita

Group D
De La Salle
Chicago (St. Patrick)
St Laurence
Marmion

Group E
Woodstock (Marian)
Mundelein (Carmel)
Arlington Heights (St. Viator)
Joliet (Catholic Academy)

Group F
Leo
Chicago Heights (Marian)
St Joes
Depaul

Very nice, Vito Taylor. Appreciate the effort put into this. It will be interesting to see how close you may be.

 

[Anon1754760634]

Souc sent me the following...

If you project the remainder of this season and add it into the results from last year, potential division breakdown.

1: Naz, Marist, Loyola, Mt. Carmel
2: St. Ignatius, Niles ND, Benet, Montini
3: Providence, De La Salle, St. Rita, Woodstock Marian
4: Brother Rice, St. Laurence, Fenwick, St. Patrick
5: Marmion, Joliet Catholic, Leo, St. Viator
6: Carmel, St. Joe, DePaul, Marian Catholic

 

[HighSchooldad]

Souc sent me the following...

If you project the remainder of this season and add it into the results from last year, potential division breakdown.

1: Naz, Marist, Loyola, Mt. Carmel
2: St. Ignatius, Niles ND, Benet, Montini
3: Providence, De La Salle, St. Rita, Woodstock Marian
4: Brother Rice, St. Laurence, Fenwick, St. Patrick
5: Marmion, Joliet Catholic, Leo, St. Viator
6: Carmel, St. Joe, DePaul, Marian Catholic

benet and montini start directly playing against each other again....never thought that would happen.

 

[godfthr53]

You had previously claimed ESCC schools already knew the divisions prior to voting, but now they are saying they won’t determine until season ends. Funny thing is last time they re-aligned the CCL they didn’t use the latest season like they are here. Otherwise Fenwick would have went to Blue and not montini.

They did see something I was told. Maybe how it looked with the previous 2 years and it was going to be updated after this year.

 

[godfthr53]

Souc sent me the following...

If you project the remainder of this season and add it into the results from last year, potential division breakdown.

1: Naz, Marist, Loyola, Mt. Carmel
2: St. Ignatius, Niles ND, Benet, Montini
3: Providence, De La Salle, St. Rita, Woodstock Marian
4: Brother Rice, St. Laurence, Fenwick, St. Patrick
5: Marmion, Joliet Catholic, Leo, St. Viator
6: Carmel, St. Joe, DePaul, Marian Catholic

The only problem I have with this is NND. I think they are in the top division. Having 7 wins in 2017 and a potential 8 in 2018 and way more boys than Naz. I think those 2 get swapped. But what none of us know is what are they considering for success, Conference wins ? Regular season wins? total wins?

 

[kehoed]

They will take into consideration conference wins only. Non-cons will not be considered.

 

[ESCC fan]

Souc sent me the following...

If you project the remainder of this season and add it into the results from last year, potential division breakdown.

1: Naz, Marist, Loyola, Mt. Carmel
2: St. Ignatius, Niles ND, Benet, Montini
3: Providence, De La Salle, St. Rita, Woodstock Marian
4: Brother Rice, St. Laurence, Fenwick, St. Patrick
5: Marmion, Joliet Catholic, Leo, St. Viator
6: Carmel, St. Joe, DePaul, Marian Catholic

Carmel is BACK!

 

[No Bias---Just Reality]

Souc sent me the following...

If you project the remainder of this season and add it into the results from last year, potential division breakdown.

1: Naz, Marist, Loyola, Mt. Carmel
2: St. Ignatius, Niles ND, Benet, Montini
3: Providence, De La Salle, St. Rita, Woodstock Marian
4: Brother Rice, St. Laurence, Fenwick, St. Patrick
5: Marmion, Joliet Catholic, Leo, St. Viator
6: Carmel, St. Joe, DePaul, Marian Catholic

Great balance, hah! So MOST years (not all) Loyola is 3-0, Montini is 3-0, Brother Rice is 3-0, Providence is 3-0 (maybe Rita can make it a fight if they improve), Carmel is 3-0, and JCA and Marmion (maybe) battle it out for 3-0

 

[No Bias---Just Reality]

Something where Montini, Nazareth, Fenwick, and Benet are together is perfect balance. Mix of CCL and ESCC, 5a-7a range, all usually competitive, the more competitive teams are the smaller 2 playing up against the bigger 2, regional rivalries, and year to year everybody has potential to gets some wins and upsets, and can make playoffs.

 

[No Bias---Just Reality]

Carmel is BACK!

JCA and Carmel the huuuuge winners in this. Assuming those predicted divisions came to fruition.

 

[godfthr53]

I'm updating my divisions based on predicting the rest of the games this season and only taking into account conference wins.

I get the following

Group A
Chicago (Marist)
Niles (Notre Dame)
Loyola
Mt Carmel

Group B
LaGrange Park (Nazareth Academy)
Lisle (Benet Academy)
Montini
Brother Rice

Group C
Iggy
Provi
St Rita
Chicago (St. Patrick)

Group D
De La Salle
St Laurence
Woodstock (Marian)
Fenwick

Group E
Marmion
Mundelein (Carmel)
Arlington Heights (St. Viator)
Joliet (Catholic Academy)

Group F
Leo
Chicago Heights (Marian)
St Joes
Depaul

 

[pjjp]

Great balance, hah! So MOST years (not all) Loyola is 3-0, Montini is 3-0, Brother Rice is 3-0, Providence is 3-0 (maybe Rita can make it a fight if they improve), Carmel is 3-0, and JCA and Marmion (maybe) battle it out for 3-0

Don't forget. These divisions will be adjusted every two years. There is no doubt Naz might be an initial "victim" of the preceding two years' success. However, if they are in over their head, they will be adjusted back down in a few years. I'd like to see the conference stick to a strict format by the numbers. That way there won't be any griping about favoritism/cronyism etc.

 

[SUNDOWN]

You would hope the ESCC schools would be smart enough to have a general idea where their members would end up in the new conference before agreeing to it. The last time back in the 90's the CCL schools destroyed the ESCC in the negotiations. The ESCC gave away everything but the Sudetenland.

 

[godfthr53]

You would hope the ESCC schools would be smart enough to have a general idea where their members would end up in the new conference before agreeing to it. The last time back in the 90's the CCL schools destroyed the ESCC in the negotiations. The ESCC gave away everything but the Sudetenland.

I think they seen preliminary divisions

 

[Snetsrak61]

I'm updating my divisions based on predicting the rest of the games this season and only taking into account conference wins.

I get the following

Group A
Chicago (Marist)
Niles (Notre Dame)
Loyola
Mt Carmel

Group B
LaGrange Park (Nazareth Academy)
Lisle (Benet Academy)
Montini
Brother Rice

Group C
Iggy
Provi
St Rita
Chicago (St. Patrick)

Group D
De La Salle
St Laurence
Woodstock (Marian)
Fenwick

Group E
Marmion
Mundelein (Carmel)
Arlington Heights (St. Viator)
Joliet (Catholic Academy)

Group F
Leo
Chicago Heights (Marian)
St Joes
Depaul

This has some nice balance. Keep the crossovers all between groups A-C and D-F.

 

[ThunderPapa]

Ok I took it upon myself to roughly take Regular season wins (is this what they are using or is it conference wins or total wins?) x 70% and enrollment divided by 2 (assumption schools are 50/50) x 30%. I used 30% because I can't figure out football participation so my assumption was that # of boys in school would be the same order greatest to smallest as male enrollment.

1 thing I noticed is that each division travel time is very minimal. If you were to do geographically it wouldn't look much different IMO.

I get the following

Group A
Chicago (Marist)
Niles (Notre Dame)
Loyola
Mt Carmel

Group B
LaGrange Park (Nazareth Academy)
Lisle (Benet Academy)
Montini
Provi

Group C
Iggy
Brother Rice
Fenwick
St Rita

Group D
De La Salle
Chicago (St. Patrick)
St Laurence
Marmion

Group E
Woodstock (Marian)
Mundelein (Carmel)
Arlington Heights (St. Viator)
Joliet (Catholic Academy)

Group F
Leo
Chicago Heights (Marian)
St Joes
Depaul

Would love to see BR and Naz in the same group considering their success this year.

 

[Penlight]

You would hope the ESCC schools would be smart enough to have a general idea where their members would end up in the new conference before agreeing to it. The last time back in the 90's the CCL schools destroyed the ESCC in the negotiations. The ESCC gave away everything but the Sudetenland.

It was never a conference of equal members.
That encompassed several spheres.
As I have heard similar sentiments of recently added CCL members, I was not in favor of this merger.
As it is now passed, my hope is that the ESCC addressed this before voting yes.

 

[RockSoup]

It was never a conference of equal members.
That encompassed several spheres.
As I have heard similar sentiments of recently added CCL members, I was not in favor of this merger.
As it is now passed, my hope is that the ESCC addressed this before voting yes.

The 2 year realignment allows for the chance to adjust competitive balance as trends and program landscapes evolve while the 4 crossovers allow year to year flexibility in scheduling concerns.

 

[Jchill-1]

The mighty JCA should be embarrassed to be in that division. If they played that schedule this year, we would be in the playoffs. After next year, they might be in division z by themselves. Lol.

 

[godfthr53]

The mighty JCA should be embarrassed to be in that division. If they played that schedule this year, we would be in the playoffs. After next year, they might be in division z by themselves. Lol.

But would they throw?

 

[mchsalumni]

benet and montini start directly playing against each other again....never thought that would happen.

Sweet Jesus I cannot wait for this reboot. It'll be nice to throttle them again until they tuck tail and run!

 

[Simon "GHOST' Riley]

benet and montini start directly playing against each other again....never thought that would happen.

Neither did I. And there are a few schools looking forward to getting Benet on the field.