ESPN Radio's Doug Gottlieb dismisses Miss State as a coaching graveyard

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Host of the Pulse was talking with Joe Schad about Tubby's future. Schad mentioned Miss State and Gottlieb dismissed it quickly as totally out of the realm of possibilities and Miss State is a "coaching graveyard".

If this is the perception of the national media, Auburn's coaching search may serve us well by allowing our search to continue unnoticed.
 

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Host of the Pulse was talking with Joe Schad about Tubby's future. Schad mentioned Miss State and Gottlieb dismissed it quickly as totally out of the realm of possibilities and Miss State is a "coaching graveyard".

If this is the perception of the national media, Auburn's coaching search may serve us well by allowing our search to continue unnoticed.
 

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I don't think most major media outlets understand the changing dynamic at State. First, you have a young AD who wants to make a name for himself and the quickest way to do that is to make successful hire at head football coach. So, I believe he will go about the search in a deliberate, professional way that will give MSU the best possible candidates from which to choose.

Second, State has financial resources available (the Seal donation and the ESPN contract) that didn't exist just last year. Therefore we have the ability to offer a coach a top 20-25 salary.

Third, in the past 5 years State has upgraded all of their football facilities, save the stadium - weight rooms, indoor practice facility, academic center, players lounge, etc. I think any coach who actually takes the time to listen to what Greg Byrne has to say will be surprised at how the national perception does meet up with reality.

Fourth, the city of Starkville has changed significantly over the past 10 years. The days of two-lane highways coming in and out of town are over. Entertainment (read bars) and dining opportunities have improved. Also the campus gets get prettier every year, with improvements in architecture and landscaping, as well as making it more pedestrian friendly. By no means will Starkville or MSU ever be confused with Austin/UT or Athens/UGa, but there is no doubt the area has made significant strides. Most media members parrot what they've heard from other sports writers or what they remember from short visits years ago.
 

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until Paul Finebaum said it on his show.

I like Gottlieb, but did not realize he was so unoriginal.
 

Nicky Santoro

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Cali boy is always an extremist. He loves the Pac-10 in football and the Big East in basketball. Figure that out.

Ever wonder why you don't host Sportscenter Gottlieb? Look in the mirror.
 

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DG has never..... EVER said anything good about State. So, doesn't surprise me. He was a failed college basketball player, so what does he know
 

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Media has short memories. A couple of years ago, Cowherd said Alabama was the worst job in the country and no good coach would ever go there.
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If anything, this little taste of success will make them even more impatient in the future.
By the way, I'm going on record: I think it will be Petersen. Makes too much sense. I'm like 25% completely sure.
 

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However, in the past we've never had the money, facilities, or the AD we have now. No doubt, it's a tough job, but a good coach can win here.
 

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Prior coaches were either bad coaches or at the end of their years. Show me a good coach that came here and then couldn't go anywhere else.
 

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But I like Gottlieb, too. For a college basketball guy, he does a decent job with the other sports, too.
 

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Can anyone name me a head football coach from MSU that has gone on to have a good career after leaving state? Anyone? That's what that term means, ya know.
 

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Shmuley

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the point bears repeating. You have to go back multiple decades to find Darrell Royal, who was the last head football coach at state to leave state to coach at the college level. That is absolutely pathetic.

COME ON BYRNE!!!! Hire a guy who will drive a dagger through our hearts 3 or 4 seasons from now. We long for this program to rise to the level of a stepping stone. Rescue us from the graveyard.
 

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maybe Mutt the Hoople saying "what's wrong with being a stepping stone?". After some thought I have to agree. Being a stepping stone means you actually got a coach that is wanted by someone else, someone bigger than you. That's not a bad thing. Now nobody wants to turn into a coaching carousel and lose coaches every other year, but it would be nice, for once in my lifetime, to have a coach that at least one other D1 program would like to have.
 

maroonmania

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no doubt that 30+ years ago State WAS a coaching graveyard. At that time our remote location and lack of development around the area was much more of a hindrance along with unlimited scholarships used by the SEC powers, NO TV exposure, and the SEC as a whole had not come to the prominence that it has now. But in the last 25 years we've essentially only had 3 coaches (Felker, Sherrill, Croom). Sherrill had a pretty dang good run here for 10 years and was a proven coach when hired. I could live with a repeat of Sherrill's first decade in terms of football success here. Yes, there was the occassional clunker season but most of the SEC has the occassional clunker. Let's face it, Felker and Croom would likely have never gotten HC gigs anywhere but State BEFORE or AFTER they coached here. In the "modern" SEC football era we've only hired one candidate that had any qualifications (Sherrill) and he did quite well until he ran out of gas and the NCAA made him target number one. Let's not compare our situation from the 60's and 70's to today. Its not a fair comparison. Yes, a lot of people (national media folks and the Finebaum-like idiots) that don't take the time to look in detail at our situation may spout that garbage but it infuriates me to hear MSU people repeat it. We have the best potential TODAY that we've ever had to have a successful football program.
 
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about their current situations - "post" stepping stone coach (Meyer, Franchione, Kragthorpe) departure. LSU did fairly well after Saban.

Hell, even if he blatantly says we're the stepping stone, bring him on.
 

MadDawg.sixpack

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and that our coaching choices in the past have played a role, but reality is reality. We are the place coaches go to ride off into the sunset. That's one of the reasons our last several hires have been coaches that were retreads or not wanted anywhere else. Hell, even our retreads aren't wanted anywhere else. Even with all the relative success of Jackie, nobody ever tried to hire him away.

Maybe we can break that trend. I hope so. I think if anyone can change it it will be Byrne.
 

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is that with decent coaching we're 7-5 this year (la tech, auburn, kentucky) and then they'd all be singing two straight bowls for Sly, turned the corner, blah blah blah....

Dipshits.
 

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We are barely above Vanderbuilt in job appeal.
No one wants to coach here.
We have to overpay to get someone decent. $2million at least.

Of i forgot there is a "changing dynamic" because we hired a baseball coach.
The thing is, we are good at baseball and have a history of greatness.
NOT SO in football.
 

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I think the problem has been with coaching choices rather than where they were coaches. For example, Croom apparently is a good person and a good NFL position coach, but had never been a head coach before. His head coaching career may have died in Starkville, but it was also born in Starkville. And, I bet that, if Croom wants a position coaching job in the future, his time in Starkville did nothing to hurt that.

As for Jackie, he was out of coaching when we hired him. If we hadn't hired him, he would have probably remained out of coaching. The fact that no one else wanted him when he was successful here is more a reflection on Sherrill than on MSU.

[EDIT] - Also, I would add that I don't think it's really that unusual for major conference schools to have few coaches who move on to other jobs. Sure, it's happened a fair amount lately to a number of SEC schools, but I bet you could find many other BCS schools who haven't had a head coach take another coaching job in the last 30 years.
 

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...I can't figure out why MSU is considered a "coach's graveyard" when 9 times out of 10 the stupidity of the MSU coach digs his own grave.

Felker digged his own grave by not being able to build on his crowning glory, his lone 6-5 record.

Jackie digged his own grave with his constant probation & by mailing it in his last 3 years.

Croom digged his own grave by, well, by being Croom.

Yes, MSU's ability to hire oddball coaches is unsurpassed; just don't blame MSU when these nuts come in & commence to dig their own graves.