ESPN seems to agree that TSUN missing a bowl game can effect recruiting
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Stanley did play some for them, and actually started the first game. But if you are meaning consistent starter, then you are correct.
I still don't see why this is such a big deal though considering the best two QBs in the SEC this year were transfer QBs, and I'd still rather have an average transfer QB than a crappy high school one like the ones you rolled through in the Croom era. Are you proud of Michael Henig and Wesley Carroll because at least you signed them in high school? Maybe you would've been better off trying to attract a decent transfer.
As far as being transfer QB graveyard U, Snead, despite being at a graveyard, still threw more TD passes in both of his seasons (26 and 20) than any QB in MSU history ever did in a season (16), and his 2 year total for TD passes (46) was 8 more than the MSU QB career record for TD passes (38). Masoli's one year total for TD passes at the graveyard (14) would rank 3rd on the all-time single season list at MSU. Hell, Seth Adams started only 10 games in 2007, and his TD pass total (12) would rank 6th in MSU history.
Of all schools to make fun of our QB situation over the years, I wouldn't think MSU would be one of them.
As far as being transfer QB graveyard U, Snead, despite being at a graveyard, still threw more TD passes in both of his seasons (26 and 20) than any QB in MSU history ever did in a season (16), and his 2 year total for TD passes (46) was 8 more than the MSU QB career record for TD passes (38). Masoli's one year total for TD passes at the graveyard (14) would rank 3rd on the all-time single season list at MSU. Hell, Seth Adams started only 10 games in 2007, and his TD pass total (12) would rank 6th in MSU history.
Of all schools to make fun of our QB situation over the years, I wouldn't think MSU would be one of them.
argument? That's the MO of every black bear it seems; that's why I ask.<div>So, either you are stupid, or you have poor comprehension skills.</div><div>Just in case: the graveyard is meant for how Nutts coaches down your highly touted QBs. Trying to compare how great your QBs are to our previous QBs is stupid. Kind of like telling a 10yr old how much taller you are than them. Then to mention Henig and Carroll who were coached by our own version of a TEAM graveyard is moot in this discussion. Again, it all goes back to the coaches', not schools' history.</div><div>Enjoy living in the past.</div>
And like I said, even QBs that played in our last 3 years of a graveyard, still out-paced either all (Snead) or all but 2 (Masoli) of the QBs in MSU's entire history, when it comes to TD passes in a season.
Even this year, you've had to basically protect your QB and use him primarily as a running back. Maybe Tyler Russell or one of the other guys will be good for you down the line, and maybe one of them will break the 16 TD passes mark.
Until then, my point still stands. MSU fans, of all people, don't have room to call any place a QB graveyard, and still don't, even after these past two years.
As a side note, in looking up the stats, I found that despite all the hype, Masoli's numbers weren't that overwhelming at Oregon. This was his 2 season average for stats at Oregon, with comparable numbers both seasons:
156.5 for 272, 57.5%, 1945.5 yds, 14 TDs, 5.5 INTs, 124 rushes, 693 yds, 11.5 TDs
Compare that to his stats this year at Ole Miss:
167 for 296, 56.4%, 2039 yds, 14 TDs, 13 INTs, 121 rushes, 544 yards, 6 TDs
Those numbers are comparable, with the biggest differences being his increased INT total, 150 fewer rushing yards, and about 5 fewer rushing TDs. The INTs can largely be attributed to our style of offense that asked him to make some more difficult throws than he ever had to make at Oregon. After all the hype, I assumed when I looked at the Oregon numbers, they would be a lot better. They weren't.
Even this year, you've had to basically protect your QB and use him primarily as a running back. Maybe Tyler Russell or one of the other guys will be good for you down the line, and maybe one of them will break the 16 TD passes mark.
Until then, my point still stands. MSU fans, of all people, don't have room to call any place a QB graveyard, and still don't, even after these past two years.
As a side note, in looking up the stats, I found that despite all the hype, Masoli's numbers weren't that overwhelming at Oregon. This was his 2 season average for stats at Oregon, with comparable numbers both seasons:
156.5 for 272, 57.5%, 1945.5 yds, 14 TDs, 5.5 INTs, 124 rushes, 693 yds, 11.5 TDs
Compare that to his stats this year at Ole Miss:
167 for 296, 56.4%, 2039 yds, 14 TDs, 13 INTs, 121 rushes, 544 yards, 6 TDs
Those numbers are comparable, with the biggest differences being his increased INT total, 150 fewer rushing yards, and about 5 fewer rushing TDs. The INTs can largely be attributed to our style of offense that asked him to make some more difficult throws than he ever had to make at Oregon. After all the hype, I assumed when I looked at the Oregon numbers, they would be a lot better. They weren't.
It seems we all overestimated your comprehension skills. Here's the "Discussion for Dummies" version for you:<div>Nutts takes QBs will "skills" and, like a magician, makes it disappear. Mullen takes QBs regardless of apparent talent and, like a magician, pulls a rabbit out of his hat.</div>
You're comparing Nutt to the debacle that was Croom. Relf is a Mullen prodigy, and in his first year playing (come on, '08 and '09 don't count) he racked up 10 TD's passing. You saw Relf the last part of '08 and everyone on this board will tell you how miserable it was to watch him in the few series he played in in '09... 10 TD's from a QB who can barely hit the side of a barn is a miracle. And he wasn't recruited by Mullen, and that's with a mediocre WR corp at best.
I'm not trying to downgrade my team, I'm just calling it like it is. Mullen's offense is about 60% initiated at this point. I'm so happy to have Relf around, but that being said, once he's gone and a guy who has been studying under Mullen for 2 years or a guy who has natural talents coming out of high school, which we didn't have before Mullen, should break every passing record in the books.
Football is a changing sport. 30 years ago if you told a guy your QB threw for 1,500 yards and 10 TD's and rushed for 850 yards and 4 TD's he'd be considered a Heisman candidate. So yes, every school running a spread offense, ESPECIALLY coming from a WCO, should have records shattered once the offense is fully implemented. I want to say the Memphis game was 15 total yards away from breaking the single game total yards record at less than 600. Auburn broke a single game record this year against ULM or whoever with ~650.
I'm not trying to downgrade my team, I'm just calling it like it is. Mullen's offense is about 60% initiated at this point. I'm so happy to have Relf around, but that being said, once he's gone and a guy who has been studying under Mullen for 2 years or a guy who has natural talents coming out of high school, which we didn't have before Mullen, should break every passing record in the books.
Football is a changing sport. 30 years ago if you told a guy your QB threw for 1,500 yards and 10 TD's and rushed for 850 yards and 4 TD's he'd be considered a Heisman candidate. So yes, every school running a spread offense, ESPECIALLY coming from a WCO, should have records shattered once the offense is fully implemented. I want to say the Memphis game was 15 total yards away from breaking the single game total yards record at less than 600. Auburn broke a single game record this year against ULM or whoever with ~650.