This guy is great by the way. He puts out 3-4 videos per day on how to fix your cars. Very informative.
EV vs. Gas (Video)
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Yes Sir. you are spot on.
I am watch this guy too and he is very informative.
great post.
It doesn't get mentioned much because as he said there are fewer things to go wrong with EV's, but when they do come in for maintenance they're a bear to get replacements parts for and usually it's very expen$$$$$$$$ive! That's one of the chief reasons our customers are resistant to EV's...fear of their overall reliability, driving range and overall cost just as he mentioned.
I actually think that video is an advertisement for American energy independence and not only cheap gasoline but cheaper electricity. It's a win/win no matter if you're into EV's or ICE vehicles
I actually think that video is an advertisement for American energy independence and not only cheap gasoline but cheaper electricity. It's a win/win no matter if you're into EV's or ICE vehicles
Actually it doesn't really matter...the sooner we start supplying our own energy needs the better off we'll be in the long run because we aren't going to get rid of using fossil fuels for the foreseeable future (like by 2030) even if we aren't using ICE vehicles anymore by then. We also aren't going to destroy the environment by using them.
The idea for solar power, wind power, and EV's is a very good idea. Just like hydroelectricity back in the day. But putting a timetable on FULL compliance is stupid. You don't sell a product by pushing it down people's throats. You sell it by offering them the alternative, at a reduced rate, hook them, and then lock them and others in. By putting the prices of EV's at $55,000 (for the cheapest 2WD) and $110,000 for a full-size 4x4 truck, is just plain stupid.
Again, great ideas, but bad plan. Personally, I'd look at getting an EV if the price was in the mid-$30's. I live close enough to town where me or the wife could drive it and recharge just once per week, and use the gas vehicles for longer trips.
Again, great ideas, but bad plan. Personally, I'd look at getting an EV if the price was in the mid-$30's. I live close enough to town where me or the wife could drive it and recharge just once per week, and use the gas vehicles for longer trips.
The price of these vehicles will eventually drop as the technology improves. However it's just dishonest for policy makers to suggest they will allow us to eliminate all uses of fossil fuels. How do they think we're going to generate all the additional electricity we're going to need to power them?
They don't even talk about how expensive as well as environmentally dangerous manufacture and disposal of the lithium-ion batteries to power them is. Wonder why not?
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Unfortunately, the method used to extract lithium comes with many negative environmental costs. Mining 1 tonne of lithium uses around 500,000 gallons of water, an astronomical amount. To add to this problem, lithium is mainly located in arid regions of the world where there are salt flats. As a result the use of water for mining is even more detrimental
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while lithium itself isn’t of great concern from a pollution angle, these batteries do contain metals like cobalt, nickel, and manganese. While these metals aren’t as problematic as lead, they are considered toxic heavy metals.
Further, these metals must be mined, and there can be pollution associated with this activity (as there is with lead mining).
There is a reason fossil fuels are the cheapest, most reliable, most abundant and most flexible sources of energy for us. It's because they are in abundant supply, are easily converted into raw energy, are reliably consistent and the most economically feasible sources of energy developed to date. Until or unless we change that equation, they will continue to be our primary sources of energy for perhaps the next 200 years until we figure out a more abundant, more reliable, more flexible more economically viable alternative.
*note: and they DO NOT destroy the environment contrary to Leftist propaganda about their use.
This is our #1 EV seller. (there is a wait list for 'em) It starts @ around 45K, but we're selling them 10K or more (depending on the model) above MSRP lists!
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Been seeing a bunch of them lately. Not a bad looking unit, just hate Ford had to use the mustang emblem for it .This is our #1 EV seller. (there is a wait list for 'em) It starts @ around 45K, but we're selling them 10K or more (depending on the model) above MSRP lists!
They are very popular, particularly with the younger segment (especially chicks) We're told in our sales meetings to make sure we emphasize the EV in Mustang! It's funny, but consumer surveys showed the Mustang badge to be our most recognizable nameplate (next to the F-150) so Ford marketers didn't want to try and introduce an entirely new nameplate with their first serious foray into the EV market.
So they settled on using the Mustang badge because of its familiarity and instant brand recognition with Ford. Pony purists are certainly pissed, but Ford is just trying to sell an all new EV model in a very competitive market. I've driven it. It's very quick, nimble, feels more like a sports car than a crossover SUV. It sits too low for me personally (I'm used to my Explorer's command view of the road) but it has a surprising amount of leg room and it doesn't feel "cramped" although it doesn't appear to be very big looking at it from the outside.
I've grown accustomed to the distinct "growl" of the 5.0 ICE vehicle and the throat punch you typically get when standing on a Cobra...this thing just emits a noticeable "buzz" under throttle, but it quickly accelerates and before you know it, you're zipping past everyone without even feeling so much as a shove! Remarkable.
There is a six to 9 month wait list for delivery on newly ordered units. Ford isn't even taking anymore orders for '22 models. They can't build 'em fast enough. Best you can hope for if you want one is to be put on a "notification" list of when you can have your dealership place your order for a '23 model. Even us here at the retail level have to wait to be given an "order status" which is essentially a priority list based on the size of your dealership and units sold before you can place orders for your customers. It typically takes two weeks to fill build outs to spec.
It's a nice problem for Ford to have, but I fear they may loose market share if folks are kept waiting too long for their Pony EVs...the Koreans and the Japanese are both introducing exciting new models and apparently are better able to fill their build orders than Ford is doing with the new Mustang EVs.
Thanks UAW
As pro union as I am (3rd generation) many unions have over priced their labor market.They are very popular, particularly with the younger segment (especially chicks) We're told in our sales meetings to make sure we emphasize the EV in Mustang! It's funny, but consumer surveys showed the Mustang badge to be our most recognizable nameplate (next to the F-150) so Ford marketers didn't want to try and introduce an entirely new nameplate with their first serious foray into the EV market.
So they settled on using the Mustang badge because of its familiarity and instant brand recognition with Ford. Pony purists are certainly pissed, but Ford is just trying to sell an all new EV model in a very competitive market. I've driven it. It's very quick, nimble, feels more like a sports car than a crossover SUV. It sits too low for me personally (I'm used to my Explorer's command view of the road) but it has a surprising amount of leg room and it doesn't feel "cramped" although it doesn't appear to be very big looking at it from the outside.
I've grown accustomed to the distinct "growl" of the 5.0 ICE vehicle and the throat punch you typically get when standing on a Cobra...this thing just emits a noticeable "buzz" under throttle, but it quickly accelerates and before you know it, you're zipping past everyone without even feeling so much as a shove! Remarkable.
There is a six to 9 month wait list for delivery on newly ordered units. Ford isn't even taking anymore orders for '22 models. They can't build 'em fast enough. Best you can hope for if you want one is to be put on a "notification" list of when you can have your dealership place your order for a '23 model. Even us here at the retail level have to wait to be given an "order status" which is essentially a priority list based on the size of your dealership and units sold before you can place orders for your customers. It typically takes two weeks to fill build outs to spec.
It's a nice problem for Ford to have, but I fear they may loose market share if folks are kept waiting too long for their Pony EVs...the Koreans and the Japanese are both introducing exciting new models and apparently are better able to fill their build orders than Ford is doing with the new Mustang EVs.
Thanks UAW
They make it very hard for domestic manufacturers to compete with the foreign builders, particularly the ones who are opening plants here in the US. Most of those are non union shops, and they're operating at margins way below the domestic builders who are burdened with Union labor.
Also, wait for a battery to go bad and you're paying $12,000 plus for a new one.
Our primary electric source is still coal. Solar and wind can't keep up.
This is our #1 EV seller. (there is a wait list for 'em) It starts @ around 45K, but we're selling them 10K or more (depending on the model) above MSRP lists!
Nice, but "prices vary by pack and dealership, Lakeland Ford lists the replacement battery assembly for a standard range Mustang Mach-E for $18,514.13. The extended range battery goes for $23,648.94"
Batteries have been going bad as early as 60,000 miles.
Had a hard time on the financial committee explaining that a person is only worth what someone is willing to pay them . Our government has put so much red tape on products & couple that with corporate greed us workers don't stand a chance . Add in our government makes it so easy to outsource to countries with less EPA & human rights than us . The domestic builders are keeping workers happy by staying right below union wages & benefits & building in a lower tax market areas. Our non union workers have way less pensions & will depend more on Gov as they retire unless they save wisely
This is exactly what I meant when I said parts for these vehicles are crazy expensive if you can get them. These batteries are also on a looooong wait list. Some folks can't wait, then they trade their EV in for an ICE vehicle.
The KIA assembly plant down here in LaGrange GA (about an hour and a half drive from Atlanta) starts their general assembly line workers @around 24.00/hr. Roughly half of what the UAW pays the same worker. Plus it's a lot easier for them to fire the dead beats.
Taxes & cost of living in that area is cheaper than say Detroit. As a traveling union worker I notice my pay always reflects the cost of living. That's why I work in NJ & live in WV . People are foolish at best , government says we will get you more money , they get giddy...government raises taxes to pay the bill ...The KIA assembly plant down here in LaGrange GA (about an hour and a half drive from Atlanta) starts their general assembly line workers @around 24.00/hr. Roughly half of what the UAW pays the same worker. Plus it's a lot easier for them to fire the dead beats.
As a construction worker I would not be non union. We work for so many different contractors & contractors go out of business for so many reasons & my benefits & health insurance stay the same no matter the state that I'm in .as a plant man I don't know that I would be . Unions are a neccessary evil in my opinion
They have their place, but when they start costing the employers who provide their jobs more than it takes to keep their membership employed, they defeat their purpose.
And Kia produces the WORST vehicles. Quality sucks.The KIA assembly plant down here in LaGrange GA (about an hour and a half drive from Atlanta) starts their general assembly line workers @around 24.00/hr. Roughly half of what the UAW pays the same worker. Plus it's a lot easier for them to fire the dead beats.
Maybe. They sure sell a lot of 'em though. Their new vehicles come with a standard 10 year 100,O00 mile bumper-to-bumper manufacturer's warranty. Don't think the company could afford to offer that type of warranty if they're building junk?
Their engines and transmissions regularly go out before 120K. They sell a lot because of being cheaply built and pushing this “warranty” that has several strings attached.
Look I'm not defending Kia my man, they're a tremendous competitor and they offer products that a large number of automotive consumers apparently prefer. I'm just offering their model as one of many foreign manufacturers who are building their products here in the US without the additonal costs of Union labor and many of them are thriving.
Toyota, Nissan, BMW, Volkswagen....all have major assembly plants near here in Tennessee, South Carolina, & Alabama and they build excellent vehicles. Matter of fact Hyundai just recently announced they're spending 8 billion on a brand new state-of-the-art EV facility right here in Georgia near Savannah adding something like 4 thousand new jobs in total. All non union. Yup.
I bought the cheapest kia on the lot brand new in 2009. I insisted on getting the one with the least features and lowest price so I could get the 100k mile warranty. I needed to replace 2 cars and I wanted to save as much as possible to buy my wife a car that would be quality and safe for her and I was going to drive the kia to work.
140k plus miles and 13 years later the kia is going well. I have replaced tires and plugs and wires. Probably the best 10k bucks I ever spent on a new car.
As I said, the company (Kia) really couldn't afford to offer that type of warranty if those vehicles didn't hold up. We occasionally get some in on trade for more upscale vehicles, and when we get 'em up in the air to evaluate what to appraise them at, we find most of 'em have held up pretty good. Their product mix is more for the economy to midscale buyer, but they do offer a few upscale higher end vehicles that are nicely equipped for the price.
Here's one of 'em
Kia 900
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I don't mean to piss all over my own products but I could relay horror stories to you about the poor assembly on some of these BRAND NEW Ford units! The dirty little secret is you don't want one that's assembled on either a Monday or a Friday. Just before or right after the weekend! :joy:
Ford has come a long way improving our quality and often deserved reputation for selling absolute junk, but those UAW assemblers aren't exactly the poster boys of hard work and efficiency. Those union Dudes do like to party....
I'm just sayin'
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I disagree with this. Look at the aftermarket starters & things they have crazy warranties & go bad a lot . Manufacturers take chances if 7 out of 10 hold up they make money on selling so many units. They don't care about the 3 who is broke down .
I only use fomoco parts on my truck ....for the most part
I hear 'ya...but my point is if every one of those units that roll off their assembly line end up needing new power plants or trannys, Kia would go out of business replacing them.
H You can buy a Lexus 300h for that much. Hybrid is smarterThis is our #1 EV seller. (there is a wait list for 'em) It starts @ around 45K, but we're selling them 10K or more (depending on the model) above MSRP lists!
Buyers of these vehicles are doing so mostly for the novelty of it. Same thing with the F-150 Lightning (our brand new EV pickup) Serious truck buyers or sedan shoppers not only see these EVs as too expensive, but too impractical for their everyday needs.
Not according to the folks who track these things!
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The average annual repair cost for all Kia models is $474 per year. compared to $652 across all models. This includes both scheduled maintenance and unscheduled repairs
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The idea that Kia is building bad cars hasn't been the case in more than a decade. On a quest for a brand makeover, the Korean company poured billions of dollars into the research, development, and manufacturing of its cars and has since become a worthy competitor to Toyota and Honda, the kings of reliability.
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We expect the 2022 Telluride will be much more reliable than the average new car. This prediction is based on data from 2020 and 2021 models.
I think you just hate Koreans! :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
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