After, playing as good as Kodi has played lately and seeing his playing time increase, Kodi will be a shoe in to play and probably start next year. If Kodi leaves school, he will have to sit out another year. I believe sitting out another year will not be an option and Kodi will ultimately come back. It is a shame that Kodi couldn't get his act together sooner, or we probably would be going to the NCAA tournament. You can tell from his interviews that the kid has a problem with authority though.
Even if Kodi wanted to leave it would be the worst move he could make...
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After, playing as good as Kodi has played lately and seeing his playing time increase, Kodi will be a shoe in to play and probably start next year. If Kodi leaves school, he will have to sit out another year. I believe sitting out another year will not be an option and Kodi will ultimately come back. It is a shame that Kodi couldn't get his act together sooner, or we probably would be going to the NCAA tournament. You can tell from his interviews that the kid has a problem with authority though.
You throw out absolute statements like "we would have been in the NCAAs if Kodi had started all year". How exactly do you know this? Because Kodi played well against the worst team in the SEC not coached by your boy Pelphrey? You don't know half the **** you think you do.
Coach34 said:
I honestly think Osby will be much better next year and Elgin will be ready to play and that would give us four healthy ready to play bigs next year. There is no reason for Stans to go 4 gaurd next year. I would like to see Turner steal some of Randy's minutes next year too, but it is probably highly unlikely. Who the hell knows though.
when Augustus started playing significant minutes, we started winning and playing better basketball. We have looked like a good team the last 3 games.
Before that, we were getting our *** beat with the famous "4 guard line-up" getting the majority of minutes.
Kodi got 3 minutes against Auburn- we got our *** handed to us
Kodi played 1 minute against Tennessee- another ugly game for us
If he plays 18-20 minutes tomorrow, we will win again</p>
Before that, we were getting our *** beat with the famous "4 guard line-up" getting the majority of minutes.
Kodi got 3 minutes against Auburn- we got our *** handed to us
Kodi played 1 minute against Tennessee- another ugly game for us
If he plays 18-20 minutes tomorrow, we will win again</p>
I think its very apparent to everyone who was right
I think the only thing that is apparent is that some of our guys have grown up a bit over the season, as they should have. We are playing tougher defense and have a better hustle overall in our game. As Stan said, it is much easier when we have the bench contributing like they have.
To postulate that this would have been the end result all along is bordering on Nostradamus' territory Coach. No one can say a player producing like they are now would have automatically played the same way back in January.
Yes, it is possible...but it is also possible that if Ravern keep shooting the lights out like he did against Kentucky, we win 4 or more games in the regular season.
The last two weeks are more that just Kodi going off, it is the way the entire team has responded. Kodi gets more attention with the slams and 3's and guys like Phil Turner don't get any press for 16 points, 14 rebounds and 6 steals.
But the team wins, which is all I care about instead of who's basketball theories are correct, yours or Stan's.
I think the only thing that is apparent is that some of our guys have grown up a bit over the season, as they should have. We are playing tougher defense and have a better hustle overall in our game. As Stan said, it is much easier when we have the bench contributing like they have.
To postulate that this would have been the end result all along is bordering on Nostradamus' territory Coach. No one can say a player producing like they are now would have automatically played the same way back in January.
Yes, it is possible...but it is also possible that if Ravern keep shooting the lights out like he did against Kentucky, we win 4 or more games in the regular season.
The last two weeks are more that just Kodi going off, it is the way the entire team has responded. Kodi gets more attention with the slams and 3's and guys like Phil Turner don't get any press for 16 points, 14 rebounds and 6 steals.
But the team wins, which is all I care about instead of who's basketball theories are correct, yours or Stan's.
You would rather live and die by the 3 ball, than start Kodi and bring in Osby... Stop drinking the kool-aid... Did you ever play basketball outside of the St Al. PE class? Kodi shoould have been starting all year, it is obvious. I have no idea what he did or said to piss off the recruiter, but we could have won several more games with Kodi playing...
...is criticizing going to the four guard lineup against Arkansas. It was a nice adjustment at the time.
Good point except Arkansas finished 2-14 in the conference. Changes needed to be made after the San Diego game, but it is apparent that shutting down Augustus was not one of the needed changes.
As for Augustus transferring, Stansbury made it very easy for him to transfer by not redshirting him last year. He can now go to another D1 school without losing a year of eligibility.
As for Augustus transferring, Stansbury made it very easy for him to transfer by not redshirting him last year. He can now go to another D1 school without losing a year of eligibility.
Since you saw Kodi and the rest of the Dogs in practice every 17ing day this year exactly which game would you have started putting Kodi in more? Cancel that, when would you have started him?
Hell be thankful we have a coach who is willing to adapt everything we have been known for to go to a 4 quard run and qun lineup. He went away from his trademark of tough physical play to the 3 point show all because it was the best lineup he could do at the time. Perhaps it taught Mr. Kodi a lesson that he has to play with EFFORT all the time like he did today.
You morons have no idea how to win. How about letting the all time winningest basketball coach in school history give it a shot???
Hell be thankful we have a coach who is willing to adapt everything we have been known for to go to a 4 quard run and qun lineup. He went away from his trademark of tough physical play to the 3 point show all because it was the best lineup he could do at the time. Perhaps it taught Mr. Kodi a lesson that he has to play with EFFORT all the time like he did today.
You morons have no idea how to win. How about letting the all time winningest basketball coach in school history give it a shot???
Id think that his age would have something to do with whether he leaves or not too.
He is already well over 21...if he were to leave, he would finish his college career at the young age of 24. Thats significant in that i assume he wants to get paid for his ability to score, and transferring would only delay that assumed goal.
Brian Johnson will be gone next season, we dont have a big man coming in that will contend for PT(hell, we dont have a big man that will sit on his *** either), so its 4 players contending for 2 spots...thats a pretty good guarantee for Kodi to get plenty of PT, considering Stans has also been playing Osby at the 3 over the last week(a sign of things to come?).
He will get PT next season and it would allow him to get paid earlier...those are pretty much the only 2 reasons i can think of that would keep him at MSU.
He is already well over 21...if he were to leave, he would finish his college career at the young age of 24. Thats significant in that i assume he wants to get paid for his ability to score, and transferring would only delay that assumed goal.
Brian Johnson will be gone next season, we dont have a big man coming in that will contend for PT(hell, we dont have a big man that will sit on his *** either), so its 4 players contending for 2 spots...thats a pretty good guarantee for Kodi to get plenty of PT, considering Stans has also been playing Osby at the 3 over the last week(a sign of things to come?).
He will get PT next season and it would allow him to get paid earlier...those are pretty much the only 2 reasons i can think of that would keep him at MSU.
...don't you read all my posts before spewing all this BS?
I'm not advocating starting Kodi or playing him more. I am talking about being versatile and making adjustments. The four guard lineup was a good adjustment early on (even if it took too long to go to it). But once we went with it, we stayed with it when it wasn't the wise decision and we took some ugly losses. </p>
Save the "all time winningest" smack for someone else. </p>
I'm not advocating starting Kodi or playing him more. I am talking about being versatile and making adjustments. The four guard lineup was a good adjustment early on (even if it took too long to go to it). But once we went with it, we stayed with it when it wasn't the wise decision and we took some ugly losses. </p>
Save the "all time winningest" smack for someone else. </p>
That quote pretty much shoots your argument square in the ***. You (among others here) don't know a fraction of the **** that's gone into decisions regarding KA.
Stansbury let Augustus dictate whether he wanted to burn his redshirt aGAINST LSU in the first SEC game of the 07-08 season. Augustus wanted to play in front of his family. I just don't get why Stansbury let him do it.
that doesn't get the Kodi Augustus to Barry Stewart comparisons? In your same sample of "when Augustus started playing significant minutes we started winning", Stewart is still in the lineup. At what point was the choice *ever* Kodi vs. Randy? That's stupid. It's a 4 vs. a 2. A half-*** defender vs.arguably the best perimeter defender. Apples to oranges ....
How about comparing Kodi to the guy that actually replaced him in the starting lineup? Or even the guy that was beating him out for minutes? Nah, let's compare him to the 2 guard. And not just the 2 guard lately, but the 2 guard's numbers from 15+ games ago. I'm a flip-flopper when it comes to Augustus. He's talented, but I wish he'd stop running his mouth. He's a great player and needs to be on the floor. I'm not a Barry Stewart homer either - I just don't see what his 0-fers have to do with Augustus losing playing time, and you keep slinging that around like it's significant. It's barely relevant.
How about comparing Kodi to the guy that actually replaced him in the starting lineup? Or even the guy that was beating him out for minutes? Nah, let's compare him to the 2 guard. And not just the 2 guard lately, but the 2 guard's numbers from 15+ games ago. I'm a flip-flopper when it comes to Augustus. He's talented, but I wish he'd stop running his mouth. He's a great player and needs to be on the floor. I'm not a Barry Stewart homer either - I just don't see what his 0-fers have to do with Augustus losing playing time, and you keep slinging that around like it's significant. It's barely relevant.
Please enlighten us oh great Woof Man..... I guess you and Stans eat lunch every week and he gives you all the inside info. I would love to you the truth about KA.
all 5,153 of your posts. Stansbury had the courage to switch to a 4 guard lineup (which defied everything all his previous teams had), now he has been open minded enough to play Kodi more. Stansbury has said Kodi has come around and he has started to do the things he needs to do to get more playing time. I will trust the school's all time wins leader in basketball as to when Kodi was ready above you and Fishwater and C34...
As far as I am concerned its Kodi's fault that Kodi wasn't playing earlier...
As far as I am concerned its Kodi's fault that Kodi wasn't playing earlier...
No moron, I don't claim to know what happened...that's the point. None of know why his *** rode the pine for the majority of the year...this whole dumbass argument is based on the assumption that Kodi has been the perfect student athlete and that mean ole head coach didn't want to play him. Hell, maybe it did play out like that, or maybe KA deserved to have his *** on the bench....no one knows.
The question was: How did we lose to Tech. and Wash St. if Kodi is such a super star and was playing significant min. in both of those games.
The answer was: Randy stunk it up in those games shooting and that was pretty much the reason we lost...might have to go back and look @ Ravern's and Dee's shooting %'s too. To his credit, Kodi did pretty well, (see coach34's stats) but at times looked lost on the defensive end. Rick will pull a player like Kodi for occassionaly looking lost or being stupid, but won't pull a player like Randy for sucking. Therein lies the rub for me as a fan....and probably for Kodi as a player.
The team needed a spark (and additional scoring options in light of Randy shooting) and Phil Turner provided that spark. I contend that he should have replaced Randy with Phil instead of Kodi...said that way back when because of our lack of depth at the 2-3 (thanks Hans and Delks), but with four little guys we got red hot shooting from 3 and our lack of offensive scheme was temporarily forgotten for a few games while we shot people off the court. When we cooled off and teams extended their defense to contest our threes, and triple teamed Vanardo as soon as he touched it, that is when we should have adjusted; we didn't.
Against FLA in chat I mentioned one of the first Kodi to Dontae Jones references....ol' Blue et al. laughed and we see how Kodi has gone off recently ala Dontae, but because Kodi is nowhere near as athletic as Dontae, I think a better comparison is John Wallace of Syracuse (who killed us in the final 4 in 1996).
Here is hoping for a win today.
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The answer was: Randy stunk it up in those games shooting and that was pretty much the reason we lost...might have to go back and look @ Ravern's and Dee's shooting %'s too. To his credit, Kodi did pretty well, (see coach34's stats) but at times looked lost on the defensive end. Rick will pull a player like Kodi for occassionaly looking lost or being stupid, but won't pull a player like Randy for sucking. Therein lies the rub for me as a fan....and probably for Kodi as a player.
The team needed a spark (and additional scoring options in light of Randy shooting) and Phil Turner provided that spark. I contend that he should have replaced Randy with Phil instead of Kodi...said that way back when because of our lack of depth at the 2-3 (thanks Hans and Delks), but with four little guys we got red hot shooting from 3 and our lack of offensive scheme was temporarily forgotten for a few games while we shot people off the court. When we cooled off and teams extended their defense to contest our threes, and triple teamed Vanardo as soon as he touched it, that is when we should have adjusted; we didn't.
Against FLA in chat I mentioned one of the first Kodi to Dontae Jones references....ol' Blue et al. laughed and we see how Kodi has gone off recently ala Dontae, but because Kodi is nowhere near as athletic as Dontae, I think a better comparison is John Wallace of Syracuse (who killed us in the final 4 in 1996).
Here is hoping for a win today.
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from watching Barry this year is that he definitely won't pull a player for taking bad shots that result in airballs. Just sayin'.
Must have been busy eating again... You failed to explain your great basketball knowledge for all your insight.
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Obviously, Turner took most of Augustus' minutes. So, the comparison by minute (because a per game average is not even close because Augustus did not play as many).....
in pre-sec play
Augustus stat line was 53 points 34 rebounds in 129 minutes of play. About .4 pts and .26 rebs a minute.
Turner state line was 79 points 45 rebounds in 227 minutes of play. About .3 pts and .2 rebs a minute.
in SEC regular season
Augustus 35 points 16 rebounds in 63 minutes of play. About .5pts and .25 rebs a minute.
Turner 164 points 100 rebounds in 479 minutes of play. About .3pts and .2 rebs a minute.
Others of note with significant numbers in SEC play
Benock 32 points 9 rebounds in 193 minutes of play. .16 pts and .05 rebs a minute
Osby 37 points 33 rebounds in 159 minutes of play. .23 pts and .2 rebs a minute
However, even with all that research, I like Turner in the games. You have find a place for him as he is a good athlete, with energy and can shoot from time to time. My problem is Augustus losing minutes to others on the bench. Stans could have played Augustus over Benock. He could have subed in Augustus for Barry or Phil instead of Benock.
With all that said though, nobody knows how many more wins that leads to. Of the games that will keep us out of the tournament. Cincy beat the sh** out of us. So, we still don't win that game with Augustus playing. Vs. San Diego? Maybe, Benock's stat line is goose eggs in that game in 13 minutes. Vs. Charlotte? Augustus gets 10 minutes along with a number of people. Turner only got 8 minutes that night as well. That game was lost because Randy was 0-8 from 3pt and Stans was giving minutes to everyone on the bench.
One game that would have helped but didn't just kill our resume.....The OT game vs. LSU. Benock had 23 minutes and Augustus had 3. Both had 3 pts and 1 reb but Benock had 2 steals.
Bottom line to me.....another season...another problem with a good player.
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Obviously, Turner took most of Augustus' minutes. So, the comparison by minute (because a per game average is not even close because Augustus did not play as many).....
in pre-sec play
Augustus stat line was 53 points 34 rebounds in 129 minutes of play. About .4 pts and .26 rebs a minute.
Turner state line was 79 points 45 rebounds in 227 minutes of play. About .3 pts and .2 rebs a minute.
in SEC regular season
Augustus 35 points 16 rebounds in 63 minutes of play. About .5pts and .25 rebs a minute.
Turner 164 points 100 rebounds in 479 minutes of play. About .3pts and .2 rebs a minute.
Others of note with significant numbers in SEC play
Benock 32 points 9 rebounds in 193 minutes of play. .16 pts and .05 rebs a minute
Osby 37 points 33 rebounds in 159 minutes of play. .23 pts and .2 rebs a minute
However, even with all that research, I like Turner in the games. You have find a place for him as he is a good athlete, with energy and can shoot from time to time. My problem is Augustus losing minutes to others on the bench. Stans could have played Augustus over Benock. He could have subed in Augustus for Barry or Phil instead of Benock.
With all that said though, nobody knows how many more wins that leads to. Of the games that will keep us out of the tournament. Cincy beat the sh** out of us. So, we still don't win that game with Augustus playing. Vs. San Diego? Maybe, Benock's stat line is goose eggs in that game in 13 minutes. Vs. Charlotte? Augustus gets 10 minutes along with a number of people. Turner only got 8 minutes that night as well. That game was lost because Randy was 0-8 from 3pt and Stans was giving minutes to everyone on the bench.
One game that would have helped but didn't just kill our resume.....The OT game vs. LSU. Benock had 23 minutes and Augustus had 3. Both had 3 pts and 1 reb but Benock had 2 steals.
Bottom line to me.....another season...another problem with a good player.
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...if you read my earlier posts you would see that I, too, think it was Kodi's fault that Kodi wasn't playing. But you don't extend anyone the courtesy of having a command of the facts before spouting off your BS. In your zeal to attempt to bust balls, the least you can do is know what the hell you're talking about.