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The refs even lied to Holgerson about it before the game. This game was completely rigged by the refs. At least 2 times the playclock expired on TX and they didnt call it. The clock also expired at the end and the refs gave them one more shot. They missed a blatant hold on David Long that would've killed a drive in its tracks late in the game. They missed numerous holds and called bogus weak penalties against WVU all game. Totally pathetic. If a team cant horns down, then TX shouldnt be able to horns up. I lost respect for that program last night. I always respected them before that.
Which part of the NCAA’s unsportsmanlike conduct rule does Horns Down violate?
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Is this still America?
By Alex Kirshner@alex_kirshner Updated Nov 3, 2018, 7:48pm EDTSHARE
When someone does something good against Texas, the only natural thing to do is to celebrate by taking the Hook’em Horns hand signal and turning it upside down. Many players have done the Horns Down in the past and not been penalized.
But by at least 2017, it was a penalty. Now, it’s been called again, twice in one game against West Virginia, including on a game-winning score.
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Let’s go through the NCAA’s whole entire list of “unsportsmanlike acts” and see if we can figure out why a Horns Down is now treated like a felony.
Pointing the finger(s), hand(s), arm(s) or ball at an opponent, or imitating the slashing of the throat.
That’s not a Horns Down at all.
Taunting, baiting or ridiculing an opponent verbally.
The Horns Down is not verbal. The lack of an Oxford comma makes it unclear whether the rulebook is banning verbal taunts, verbal baiting, and verbal ridiculing, or all taunts, all baiting, and verbal ridiculing. Absent a judge weighing in on the meaning of the statute, it seems like a violation of due process to give players penalties for this act.
Inciting an opponent or spectators in any other way, such as simulating the firing of a weapon or placing a hand by the ear to request recognition.
I Googled the definition of “incite” and it said that means to “encourage or stir up (violent or unlawful behavior).” If a Horns Down is “incitement,” that’s because the spectators in Austin are willing to get violent over a hand signal. Seems more like a personal issue for them. At that point, it’s on law enforcement to get involved, not an officiating crew.
Admittedly, this qualifies:
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okay this might be incitement lmao
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But not a standalone Horns Down. No, sir.
Any delayed, excessive, prolonged or choreographed act by which a player (or players) attempts to focus attention upon himself (or themselves).
Is a Horns Down “choreographed?” No more than putting a single finger up in the air to say “We’re No. 1.” Nobody would ever call a penalty for that. The Horns Down isn’t something you “choreograph.” It’s a heartfelt gesture that comes to someone emotionally.
“I just thought, you know, it’d be cool and it’d be funny for me to do that, and it’d sort of get the crowd into the game,” one Horns Downs’ing receiver told me a few years ago.
An unopposed ball carrier obviously altering stride as he approaches the opponent’s goal line or diving into the end zone.
Absolutely not.
A player removing his helmet after the ball is dead and before he is in the team area
Wholly irrelevant to the Horns Down discussion.
Punching one’s own chest or crossing one’s arms in front of the chest while standing over a prone player.
Still not related at all.
Intentionally removing the helmet while the ball is alive.
Certainly not.
Dead-ball contact fouls such as pushing, shoving, striking, etc. that occur clearly after the ball is dead and that are not part of the game action.
Again, no.
After the ball is dead, using forcible contact to push or pull an opponent off the pile.
Nope. And that’s it.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-fo...60/horns-down-penalty-unsportsmanlike-conduct
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Is this still America?
By Alex Kirshner@alex_kirshner Updated Nov 3, 2018, 7:48pm EDTSHARE
When someone does something good against Texas, the only natural thing to do is to celebrate by taking the Hook’em Horns hand signal and turning it upside down. Many players have done the Horns Down in the past and not been penalized.
But by at least 2017, it was a penalty. Now, it’s been called again, twice in one game against West Virginia, including on a game-winning score.
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Let’s go through the NCAA’s whole entire list of “unsportsmanlike acts” and see if we can figure out why a Horns Down is now treated like a felony.
Pointing the finger(s), hand(s), arm(s) or ball at an opponent, or imitating the slashing of the throat.
That’s not a Horns Down at all.
Taunting, baiting or ridiculing an opponent verbally.
The Horns Down is not verbal. The lack of an Oxford comma makes it unclear whether the rulebook is banning verbal taunts, verbal baiting, and verbal ridiculing, or all taunts, all baiting, and verbal ridiculing. Absent a judge weighing in on the meaning of the statute, it seems like a violation of due process to give players penalties for this act.
Inciting an opponent or spectators in any other way, such as simulating the firing of a weapon or placing a hand by the ear to request recognition.
I Googled the definition of “incite” and it said that means to “encourage or stir up (violent or unlawful behavior).” If a Horns Down is “incitement,” that’s because the spectators in Austin are willing to get violent over a hand signal. Seems more like a personal issue for them. At that point, it’s on law enforcement to get involved, not an officiating crew.
Admittedly, this qualifies:
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nick@nick_pants
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okay this might be incitement lmao
6:32 PM - Nov 3, 2018
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But not a standalone Horns Down. No, sir.
Any delayed, excessive, prolonged or choreographed act by which a player (or players) attempts to focus attention upon himself (or themselves).
Is a Horns Down “choreographed?” No more than putting a single finger up in the air to say “We’re No. 1.” Nobody would ever call a penalty for that. The Horns Down isn’t something you “choreograph.” It’s a heartfelt gesture that comes to someone emotionally.
“I just thought, you know, it’d be cool and it’d be funny for me to do that, and it’d sort of get the crowd into the game,” one Horns Downs’ing receiver told me a few years ago.
An unopposed ball carrier obviously altering stride as he approaches the opponent’s goal line or diving into the end zone.
Absolutely not.
A player removing his helmet after the ball is dead and before he is in the team area
Wholly irrelevant to the Horns Down discussion.
Punching one’s own chest or crossing one’s arms in front of the chest while standing over a prone player.
Still not related at all.
Intentionally removing the helmet while the ball is alive.
Certainly not.
Dead-ball contact fouls such as pushing, shoving, striking, etc. that occur clearly after the ball is dead and that are not part of the game action.
Again, no.
After the ball is dead, using forcible contact to push or pull an opponent off the pile.
Nope. And that’s it.
https://www.sbnation.com/college-fo...60/horns-down-penalty-unsportsmanlike-conduct
Those referees were probably fired after the game for disregarding their instructions to let Tejas win.
Grier was out of bounds and against the wall when he did it. He was not even in the field of play. If Texas gets their panties in a wad over it then quit dishing out the horns up. Both flags were BS since the officials never warned them on doing so. Sills was in the end zone. The official should have come over and said that is enough don't do that this is your final warning. This is BS for flagging with no warning.
It's a shame we didn't listen to Texas when they told us we were nothing but a low life hillbilly uneducated fools. We should know better than this and bow down to the mighty horns. F'm. Horns Down
Texas is a bunch of bitches. End of story....
PS I don’t feel bad about Hager dislocating his elbow. Only person affected will be his domestic partner...
PS I don’t feel bad about Hager dislocating his elbow. Only person affected will be his domestic partner...
After our 1st TD David Sills get an unsportsmanlike and after the extra point, we have an Olineman ejected for a shove that happens 10 times a game on average in about any P5 conference game. I honestly didn't think the refs would let us win at that point and said as much to the people I was around.
WVU had 14 penalties for 120 yds. Texas had 7 for 68 and I saw a lot of missed stuff they got away with. I've not seen that crew much. It was not the Mike DeFee (24 inch pythons) crew or the Mini Mike DeFee crew (16-18 inch anacondas). That crew was head scratching.
WVU had 14 penalties for 120 yds. Texas had 7 for 68 and I saw a lot of missed stuff they got away with. I've not seen that crew much. It was not the Mike DeFee (24 inch pythons) crew or the Mini Mike DeFee crew (16-18 inch anacondas). That crew was head scratching.
I'm not much into blaming the refs for the outcome of games. I consider them part of the landscape, like the goal posts. But the bearhug of our receiver on our first drive BEFORE the ball got there, the way refs were calling ticky-tack stuff, should have been a flag. It cost WVU 4 points. The Olineman ejection puzzled even the announcers. Shoving an opponent after a play, which was nowhere near a punch, is routine in college football. But to disqualify our #1 blocking lineman? The refs made calls that benefitted us that puzzled me, too. I think they just had an incompetent day. I hope so. Otherwise, someone better check their bank statements to see if they got extra payday. I feel ashamed of myself for even typing that. But the calls were extremely puzzling, even those against Texas at times.
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Their logo looks like the female anatomy, and coincidentally they act like them too....
That moniker belongs to The University of Texas at Arlington Mavericks; commonly referred to as the Shorthorns. My wife's alma mater.
That's the Benthorns (fingers curled down simulating the little nubs on the Horned Frog), I believe.
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Don't forget about TWO block in the backs that happen on every single screen pass.
It was obvious they were waiting to throw flags.
Big12 needs to suspend that idiotic crew.
I'm not even sure the helmet coming off play was correct.
How is what he said wrong? I know emotions are high and we've all done unwise things based upon emotions. Being understandable does not negate it being unwise. It all worked out in the end, but what did he stand to gain with the move vs what did he stand to lose? Maybe gain a bit of vain pride in rubbing it in the fans' collective face. UT was averaging around their 30 on WVU kick offs. Move them to almost as far as the 45 and when UT has a kicker with a 55 yard range, that leaves a need to get 20-30 yards for a FG shot. Luckily the QB wasted all of his time scrambling, but UT easily had time for 3 plays. UT was stupid to not just throw a jump ball to one of their 2 receivers that were easily high pointing balls over our DBs twice. With college rule for stopping the time to reset the chains, just hit one and get a chance to spike and then kick. No matter how you slice it, that extra 15 yards greatly improved UT's already slim chances.
....so says one of the people that were shocked by the ***-pounding from Iowa St. ....you know partly because of flaws previously discussed that you (more importantly possibly the coaches) chose to ignore..... ....because the previous wins trumped the flaws and all.