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Message: <blockquote data-quote="old buzzard" data-source="post: 130552295" data-attributes="member: 1078429"> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="https://www.sbnation.com/college-football">COLLEGE FOOTBALL</a></li> </ul>Which part of the NCAA’s unsportsmanlike conduct rule does Horns Down violate?<a href="https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/11/3/18058960/horns-down-penalty-unsportsmanlike-conduct#comments">11</a>Is this still America?By <a href="https://www.sbnation.com/authors/alex-kirshner">Alex Kirshner</a><a href="https://www.twitter.com/alex_kirshner">@alex_kirshner</a>  Updated Nov 3, 2018, 7:48pm EDT<a href="https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/11/3/18058960/horns-down-penalty-unsportsmanlike-conduct#">SHARE</a>When someone does something good against Texas, the only natural thing to do is to celebrate by taking the Hook’em Horns hand signal and turning it upside down. Many players have done the Horns Down in the past and not been penalized.But by at least 2017, <a href="https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2017/11/25/16698294/horns-down-motion-penalty-flag">it was a penalty</a>. Now, it’s been called again, twice in one game against West Virginia, <a href="https://www.sbnation.com/2018/11/3/18060024/will-grier-texas-west-virginia-horns-down">including on a game-winning score</a>.<a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNCFB/status/1058824630608293890"></a><a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNCFB/status/1058824630608293890"><img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/1058824578288549888/pu/img/BmbdshJJ1dLrrBqH?format=jpg&name=small" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a><a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNCFB"><img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/687362829884755969/mUg2i6VV_normal.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a><a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNCFB">ESPN CollegeFootball</a><a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNCFB"></a><a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNCFB">✔@ESPNCFB</a>David Sills did horns ... down?<a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNCFB/status/1058824630608293890">3:53 PM - Nov 3, 2018</a><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="https://twitter.com/intent/like?tweet_id=1058824630608293890"> 5,362</a></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNCFB/status/1058824630608293890"> 890 people are talking about this</a></li> </ul><a href="https://support.twitter.com/articles/20175256">Twitter Ads info and privacy</a>Let’s go through the NCAA’s whole entire list of “unsportsmanlike acts” and see if we can figure out why a Horns Down is now treated like a felony.Pointing the finger(s), hand(s), arm(s) or ball at an opponent, or imitating the slashing of the throat.That’s not a Horns Down at all.Taunting, baiting or ridiculing an opponent verbally.The Horns Down is not verbal. The lack of an Oxford comma makes it unclear whether the rulebook is banning verbal taunts, verbal baiting, and verbal ridiculing, or all taunts, all baiting, and verbal ridiculing. Absent a judge weighing in on the meaning of the statute, it seems like a violation of due process to give players penalties for this act.Inciting an opponent or spectators in any other way, such as simulating the firing of a weapon or placing a hand by the ear to request recognition.I Googled the definition of “incite” and it said that means to “encourage or stir up (violent or unlawful behavior).” If a Horns Down is “incitement,” that’s because the spectators in Austin are willing to get violent over a hand signal. Seems more like a personal issue for them. At that point, it’s on law enforcement to get involved, not an officiating crew.Admittedly, this qualifies:<a href="https://twitter.com/nick_pants/status/1058864636005621765/photo/1">View image on Twitter</a><a href="https://twitter.com/nick_pants/status/1058864636005621765/photo/1"><img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrHXt5aVYAAIe9s?format=jpg&name=small" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a><a href="https://twitter.com/nick_pants"><img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1058159290635046912/rR4DtlP9_normal.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a><a href="https://twitter.com/nick_pants">nick@nick_pants</a><a href="https://twitter.com/_/status/1058827752881700867">Replying to @alex_kirshner</a>okay this might be incitement lmao<a href="https://twitter.com/nick_pants/status/1058864636005621765">6:32 PM - Nov 3, 2018</a><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="https://twitter.com/intent/like?tweet_id=1058864636005621765"> 10</a></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="https://twitter.com/nick_pants"> See nick's other Tweets</a></li> </ul><a href="https://support.twitter.com/articles/20175256">Twitter Ads info and privacy</a>But not a standalone Horns Down. No, sir.Any delayed, excessive, prolonged or choreographed act by which a player (or players) attempts to focus attention upon himself (or themselves).Is a Horns Down “choreographed?” No more than putting a single finger up in the air to say “We’re No. 1.” Nobody would ever call a penalty for that. The Horns Down isn’t something you “choreograph.” It’s a heartfelt gesture that comes to someone emotionally.“I just thought, you know, it’d be cool and it’d be funny for me to do that, and it’d sort of get the crowd into the game,” one Horns Downs’ing receiver <a href="https://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2017/4/28/15393244/chad-hansen-nfl-draft-cal-receiver-2017">told me a few years ago</a>.An unopposed ball carrier obviously altering stride as he approaches the opponent’s goal line or diving into the end zone.Absolutely not.A player removing his helmet after the ball is dead and before he is in the team areaWholly irrelevant to the Horns Down discussion.Punching one’s own chest or crossing one’s arms in front of the chest while standing over a prone player.Still not related at all.Intentionally removing the helmet while the ball is alive.Certainly not.Dead-ball contact fouls such as pushing, shoving, striking, etc. that occur clearly after the ball is dead and that are not part of the game action.Again, no.After the ball is dead, using forcible contact to push or pull an opponent off the pile.Nope. And that’s it.<a href="https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/11/3/18058960/horns-down-penalty-unsportsmanlike-conduct">https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/11/3/18058960/horns-down-penalty-unsportsmanlike-conduct</a></blockquote>

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