Everyone blames W. Carroll, but what about our QB coaching?

Gene Swindoll

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i don't believe it's carroll.....it's the coaching.........he probably got better qb coaching in highschool.
 

ArrowDawg

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.........from people begging Tyler Russell to hurry up and get to campus, or for Chris Garrett to change his mind.. So?? If the current staff is still in place, explain to me how Russell or Garrett will make any difference?
 

Agentdog

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I have never seen Russell play. However, if he has any kind of quickness, anything other than a noodle for arm, and can half way read a defense....then he will be an improvement. </p>
 

Bulldog Bruce

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Yes there were two or three drops, but Carroll is not the answer. At some point you need to blame the player. He had happy feet. He did not stay in the pocket when he should have. He did not throw away some balls he should have. I am going to guess there were some open receivers on a few of those times he held onto it. Why have an option hand off, if you are never going to keep the ball? He needed to hold onto a few of those and run himself just to keep the defense from all pursuing the running back. He did that in the liberty bowl game.
 

windcrysmary

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coaching our offense is as retarded as our coaches are ... look at the play calling.. when do our receivers ever have any separation? what retard runs this offense with a below avg line?.... Wes doesn't have dick for time in the pocket against a legit D-1 defense.. we are running our offense like we have an above avg offensive line... our gameplan sucks cock... that is all..
 

PBRME

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Gene Swindoll said:
i don't believe it's carroll.....it's the coaching.........he probably got better qb coaching in highschool.

I blame the offensive line. They sucked the whole night. Add in John Michael Carlson and you can chalk that up as a loss. 2-10 here we come.
 

Gene Swindoll

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windcrysmary said:
coaching our offense is as retarded as our coaches are ... look at the play calling.. when do our receivers ever have any separation? what retard runs this offense with a below avg line?.... Wes doesn't have dick for time in the pocket against a legit D-1 defense.. we are running our offense like we have an above avg offensive line... our gameplan sucks cock... that is all..
name one qb that has progressed under croom.
 

dawgphd

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PBRME said:
Gene Swindoll said:
i don't believe it's carroll.....it's the coaching.........he probably got better qb coaching in highschool.

I blame the offensive line. They sucked the whole night. Add in John Michael Carlson and you can chalk that up as a loss. 2-10 here we come.

WIth all due respect, who is the second win?
 

HammerOfTheDogs

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Bulldog Bruce said:
Yes there were two or three drops, but Carroll is not the answer. At some point you need to blame the player. He had happy feet. He did not stay in the pocket when he should have. He did not throw away some balls he should have. I am going to guess there were some open receivers on a few of those times he held onto it. Why have an option hand off, if you are never going to keep the ball? He needed to hold onto a few of those and run himself just to keep the defense from all pursuing the running back. He did that in the liberty bowl game.
He got happy feet because he was getting blindsided all night. He was getting blindsided because his Left Tackle, Michael Brown, wasn't there. Michael Brown wasn't there because he thought being a punk thug ***** was more important than helping the football team.
 

Agentdog

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Yeah, I came away with the impression that Carroll did not want to take a hit. If you are State's QB, you better be able to run and take a hit. Like you said, Carroll is not the answer for those abilities. He is small and has average speed. We need to put a speed guy back there and run student body left/right the rest of the season.
 
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Russell in high school is full of ****. Russell has 10 times the velocity on his passes then Carroll does right now. Great rotation on the ball, which produces nice tight spirals, plus the dude is 6'5. He is a prototypical qb regardless of offensive scheme. The problem is that MSU has not had a true blue qb since Bond, and some will argue that he was just an incredible athlete in an offense that fit perfectly with his attributes.
 

Gene Swindoll

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Garciacamebackadawg said:
Russell in high school is full of ****. Russell has 10 times the velocity on his passes then Carroll does right now. Great rotation on the ball, which produces nice tight spirals, plus the dude is 6'5. He is a prototypical qb regardless of offensive scheme. The problem is that MSU has not had a true blue qb since Bond, and some will argue that he was just an incredible athlete in an offense that fit perfectly with his attributes.

have you watched carroll's tape on any recruiting site?
 
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night. The offense that he ran in high school was not the WCO, and he ran the ball himself quite a bit. It was kind of like AU's spread, and definitely ran the QB read (AU's favorite play last night) alot. But Carroll is not going to beat you with his feet in this league, and his arm is still weak in my book. I'm not here to argue with you about Carroll, we can win with him, but the coaching staff is giving our offense the opportunity with the poor play calling and totally lack of imagination.