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Everyone clammering for a coaching change should go ahead and give up.

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Hump4Hoops

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It's not happening any time soon.

Bob's comments on the B&B show are exactly how I've seen it all along - Mullen's seat is ice cold at 6. Let's say that he wins 5 - his seat gets lukewarm but no change is made. He could lose out, and although he would be on the hot seat, would not be fired, because of bowls in '10, '11, and '12. Then look ahead to the '14 schedule - there's pretty much no chance we are winning less than 6 games. If we win at least 6 games, Mullen does not get fired. You can blah blah bowl games in today's climate blah blah all you want, but MSU is not firing a coach that takes them to bowl games. It's not a matter of should we. We will not.

You guys might as well stick a sock in it until the end of the '15 season at earliest.


(In this post, I am neither endorsing or refuting the merit of the "Dan pls go" movement - simply observing that from an administrative standpoint, the chances Dan gets fired are near zero.)
 
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patdog

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I see no reason we shouldn't fire a coach after a 6-6 season. Especially if Mullen goes 6-6 next year. We didn't have a problem firing Rockey Felker after a 5-6 season, and that's no different than a 6-6 season today. The only difference between that season and 6-6 today is that Rockey didn't get to play an extra game against a I-AA team.
 
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was21

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What if he loses to OM this year bad and loses to OM bad next year but wins 7 or 8
 
dawgstudent

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I think if we don't go bowling this season and he follows up with a 6-6 next year - he would be let go.
 
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godlluB

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I saw Scott Stricklin speak today. He pointed out that Spurrier at USCe and another coach, who I can't currently remember, didn't really start seeing consistent success until after year 5 and that the key to success is long-term stability. This can be translated as "Dan isn't going anywhere." Although I thought it was interesting that it was the first topic in his speech, so that seems to indicate that he's been hearing the grumblings.

He also talked about DNF. He said that he understood that if LFL was messed with, it might literally be "over his dead body."
 
coach66

coach66

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Without a doubt, with the salary we are paying and the facilities we have coming

on-line we are not your daddy's MSU.
 
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maroonmania

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godlluB said:
I saw Scott Stricklin speak today. He pointed out that Spurrier at USCe and another coach, who I can't currently remember, didn't really start seeing consistent success until after year 5 and that the key to success is long-term stability. This can be translated as "Dan isn't going anywhere." Although I thought it was interesting that it was the first topic in his speech, so that seems to indicate that he's been hearing the grumblings.

He also talked about DNF. He said that he understood that if LFL was messed with, it might literally be "over his dead body."
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If Scott is going to stick with Dan then that's what we have but its sort of comical to justify by comparing Mullen to a tenured SEC coach like Spurrier that won an ACC championship at Duke, a NC and multiple SEC championships at FL, and went on to be a HC in the NFL. We really know no more now about Mullen's ability to have long term success as a college HC than the day we hired him because, unlike Spurrier, he's NEVER had success or even been a HC anywhere prior to coming to MSU.
 
57stratdawg

57stratdawg

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4-8 and Dan is done. He may return, but the fan base will be done with him especially if Freeze kicks his ***. It'll then be a matter of how far down Stricklin wants to let us fall before he nuts up and does his job. Mullen has to show he's making progress on the middle tier schools in this conference and he needs to show it soon. I'm talking Auburn, South Carolina, OM, etc..

Lets see how the Egg Bowl goes this year before we make any decisions on how hot Mullen's seat is.

The idea that a soft 2014 schedule somehow works in Mulen's favor is ******** too. Let's not forget, those soft schedules is what got us here in the first place. It's lipstick on a pig. It's proof that we can have a very subpar SEC team/HC and put up 6 to 8 wins.
 
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engie

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dawgstudent said:
I think if we don't go bowling this season and he follows up with a 6-6 next year - he would be let go.
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You think we would fire a bowl coach? That just took us bowling for the 4th time in 5 years? That is my total nightmare scenario, because I honestly would see us keeping him there.

It's almost unfathomable to me that in the environment that is today's SEC, we'll just be talking about a seat getting lukewarm when we're statistically likely at this point to be 6-12 over the past 18 at the end of a season...
 
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LandArchDawg

LandArchDawg

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Except Spurrier's teams actually fight hard to win and usually have a chance to pull off an upset in games they are not favored to win. Looking at our last dozen games, I see nothing that gives me any hope we'll do anything against a team of any repute. I would love nothing more than to be proved wrong on this.
 
karlchilders.sixpack

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Not so fast my friend

It's proof that we can have a very subpar SEC team/HC and put up 6 to 8 wins.

I've lived thru, Shira, Croom, and everything in between. We have seen subpar.

And the Job the Mullen does, is no where near the same as some of those guys.

Most everyone thought that this would be a down year, and it is. No, I don't like a lot of what I've seen this season.

I think the future looks a bit brighter, and I'm willing to just not flush the bowl, & see what happens.
 
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engie

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Hump4Hoops said:
If you can fathom being upset with an 8 win season, how are you still an MSU fan?
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Who did we beat? 4 lame duck/fired coaches? 0-2 against teams with similar talent -- neither of which was close.

That was an MSU schedule for the ages... Even a shred of coaching and effort -- and we win 10 last year.
 
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BiscuitEater

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patdog said:
I see no reason we shouldn't fire a coach after a 6-6 season. Especially if Mullen goes 6-6 next year. We didn't have a problem firing Rockey Felker after a 5-6 season, and that's no different than a 6-6 season today. The only difference between that season and 6-6 today is that Rockey didn't get to play an extra game against a I-AA team.
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Rocky only had to play 6 SEC games first couple of years and 7 in the last couple of years. Think those schedules were way easier than what we face today.
 
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drt7891

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Most people aren't as much frustrated at our record... Although this year is more than likely a 4 win season... It's the fact we literally are playing like stansbury's last teams. Minimal effort, no fire, and the appearance of our coach being mostly satisfied with it, or at least not addressing the very obvious issues and trying to fix them. . Couple that with the fact our rivals are literally bringing the damn wood in almost every game with, maybe more star power, but nowhere near the depth of talent. It's going to be a tough pill to swallow watching them run up and down the field on us in November and us just taking it. We aren't paying our coach $2.4MM to define mediocrity for us especially after running his mouth as much as he did when he got here. He's made his own bed and we have yet to really respond (sans Tennessee) in almost 3 years.
 
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57stratdawg

57stratdawg

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engie said:
Who did we beat? 4 lame duck/fired coaches? 0-2 against teams with similar talent -- neither of which was close.

That was an MSU schedule for the ages... Even a shred of coaching and effort -- and we win 10 last year.
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2012 taught me it doesn't take a once in a lifetime team to win 10 games at MSU anymore. We hade 6 wins just for getting off the bus.
 
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engie

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drt7891 said:
Most people aren't as much frustrated at our record... Although this year is more than likely a 4 win season... It's the fact we literally are playing like stansbury's last teams. Minimal effort, no fire, and the appearance of our coach being mostly satisfied with it, or at least not addressing the very obvious issues and trying to fix them. . Couple that with the fact our rivals are literally bringing the damn wood in almost every game with, maybe more star power, but nowhere near the depth of talent. It's going to be a tough pill to swallow watching them run up and down the field on us in November and us just taking it. We aren't paying our coach $2.4MM to define mediocrity for us especially after running his mouth as much as he did when he got here. He's made his own bed and we have yet to really respond (sans Tennessee) in almost 3 years.
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Couldn't have said any of it any better...

He's still got time to turn it around. But I don't like anything I've seen so far, outside the Troy game...
 
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Miss.Stake

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It would be a damn shame to go 6-6 in 2014

dawgstudent said:
I think if we don't go bowling this season and he follows up with a 6-6 next year - he would be let go.
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Next year is the easiest schedule we could ever hope for in the SEC. It would be a a total failure to go 6-6. The comparison to Steve Spurrier is absolutely asinine. We are going to get buried so deep and I hate it so much.
 
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NCDawg.sixpack

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karlchilders said:
It's proof that we can have a very subpar SEC team/HC and put up 6 to 8 wins.

I've lived thru, Shira, Croom, and everything in between. We have seen subpar.

And the Job the Mullen does, is no where near the same as some of those guys.

Most everyone thought that this would be a down year, and it is. No, I don't like a lot of what I've seen this season.

I think the future looks a bit brighter, and I'm willing to just not flush the bowl, & see what happens.
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"Most everyone thought this would be a down Year"? This is Mullen's 5th year. How is it supposed to be a "down year"? He came in saying he was here to dominate recruiting in the state, win championships, and get to Atlanta. How close are we to getting to Atlanta now than when he first got here?
 
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Sutterkane

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How do you build a program and recruiting base then? It's sure as hell not by scheduling difficult games and going 2-10 or 3-9. Nobody wants to go to a school that's 2-10. If you're 7-5 or 8-4 or even 6-6 with a bowl win then you're on the verge of great success or could be viewed as needing that one player to get you over the hump. 2-10 looks like you need an enema. Players will wonder if you're keeping your coaching staff too.
 
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KurtRambis4

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to make excuses and I'm as pissed as anyone with this year, but (being MSU) we are going to have years where we are down. We are not going to be winning 7-8+ games year in and year out.

If a State fan's expectations are to be winning 7-8+ game every single year, then you better chose another team.
 
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cheewgumm

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Exactly. And this is why I'm glad we played ok state. If you set up the schedule to get 6 guarantees then won't fire you're coach if he gets 6 wins then you' be created this nightmare scenario.

engie said:
You think we would fire a bowl coach? That just took us bowling for the 4th time in 5 years? That is my total nightmare scenario, because I honestly would see us keeping him there.

It's almost unfathomable to me that in the environment that is today's SEC, we'll just be talking about a seat getting lukewarm when we're statistically likely at this point to be 6-12 over the past 18 at the end of a season...
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57stratdawg

57stratdawg

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Sutterkane said:
How do you build a program and recruiting base then? It's sure as hell not by scheduling difficult games and going 2-10 or 3-9. Nobody wants to go to a school that's 2-10. If you're 7-5 or 8-4 or even 6-6 with a bowl win then you're on the verge of great success or could be viewed as needing that one player to get you over the hump. 2-10 looks like you need an enema. Players will wonder if you're keeping your coaching staff too.
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Isn't this the Stansbury stance on OOC scheduling: lose to good or beat bad?

My point is if Auburn and MSU are both recruiting a kid for 2015 and Gus Malzahn says "I've never lost to Mississippi State in my career as a HC or OC" and Mullen says "We've been to three straight bowl games," which one carries more weight? The only program in the SEC that is on the 10 year program building timeline is MSU. It didn't take Butch Jones 10 years to develop a sales pitch at UT, it didn't take Freeze 10 years, and even Mark Stoops at UK are doing good things in recruiting.

I've never advocated firing Mullen, but I just don't see a light at the end of the tunnel.
 
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cheewgumm

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Great points.

This 10 year scenario is a direct result of our fans "Know your role attitude". We are po ole Miss State after all. We have alllll these dis advantages.

It's terrible to hear, and the low expectations are straight from 1970. Things have changed. Newsflash...the SEC changed it all for us too.

If you start to cry about our recrtuiting...go to scount or rivals and compare to other teams outside the SEC...like Ok State. Then ask yourself why we should expect to lose to them?

Our fans attitudes have to change to expect more.

57stratdawg said:
Isn't this the Stansbury stance on OOC scheduling: lose to good or beat bad?

My point is if Auburn and MSU are both recruiting a kid for 2015 and Gus Malzahn says "I've never lost to Mississippi State in my career as a HC or OC" and Mullen says "We've been to three straight bowl games," which one carries more weight? The only program in the SEC that is on the 10 year program building timeline is MSU. It didn't take Butch Jones 10 years to develop a sales pitch at UT, it didn't take Freeze 10 years, and even Mark Stoops at UK are doing good things in recruiting.

I've never advocated firing Mullen, but I just don't see a light at the end of the tunnel.
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