Expansion, Why is it needed? I keep hearing the SEC "has" to have

[clydefrazier]

this market and needs that tvmarket. Why, we are all making huge money. Look at the facilities, is expansion needed so we have mahogony lockers instead of pine or we need plasma flat screens at each locker (oregon) instead of a normal size tv that is shared. Look at these coaches offices and facilities, its become a pissing contest of jets, and pimped out locker rooms.
I am old and old school and I get keeping up with the recruiting Jonses' but damn these athletes live a hell of a lot better than most students I hung out with.

 

[clydefrazier]

this market and needs that tvmarket. Why, we are all making huge money. Look at the facilities, is expansion needed so we have mahogony lockers instead of pine or we need plasma flat screens at each locker (oregon) instead of a normal size tv that is shared. Look at these coaches offices and facilities, its become a pissing contest of jets, and pimped out locker rooms.
I am old and old school and I get keeping up with the recruiting Jonses' but damn these athletes live a hell of a lot better than most students I hung out with.

 

[lariverdog]

The SEC neogitated a TV contract that at the time, seemed good. In retrospect, it wasn't. If the SEC goes to (I believe) 16 teams, there is an out clause and lets the SEC renegotiate the deal.

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[jtk47]

agree, we don't need it. I have always been told if it isn't broke don't fix it. The SEC damn sure does not look anywhere near to being broke

 

[missouridawg]

The college football landscape is headed towards superconferences. We're stepping out and helping that process, and at the same time we're getting attractive teams.

Would you rather us sit on our hands and get K-State, Baylor, ECU, and South Florida? Or would you rather us get aTm, Mizzou, VaTech, and NC-State?

 

[thatsbaseball]

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[karlchilders.sixpack]

because they are one of the ones that has knocked on our door.
I think they are just a conversation piece.

 

[MaroonedNdaRock]

If the SEC's options are A&M, Mizzou, VaTech, and NCSt......again I, as fan,see no point in expanding. None of those schools, in and of themselves, are interesting in the least. None, withthe exception of VaTech football, bring any added strength to the conference and interest on a national level (TV viewers for ESPN).

I likethe sentiment of the original poster......this expandinginthe hopes of making a buck and TV are going to (if not already) ruin this sport. There is already enough money for each university to comfortably operate a competitive football program on a national level. Why continue tochase a dollar when what you have is working just fine.

Also,why do we need a "super conference." You don't need a 16 team conference to qualifyforthe BCS. There is no playoff systemand will not be a very long time.Hell, the SEC is a super conference with 12 teams....no need for 16.

 

[missouridawg]

Might as well get the teams we want.

I give up trying to explain simple concepts to you 17'ing morons.

It's all about the money. That's all you need to know. It's all about the 17'ing money.

We don't need a superconference this year. But in 5 years, when the Pac-12 has 16 teams and the Big 10 has 16 teams and the ACC or Big East has 16 teams.... who are we going to get? Southern Miss, UAB, Kansas? Why not get the teams we want and grow our revenues at the same time?</p>

 

[AssEndDawg]

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[MaroonedNdaRock]

Settle down Frances..... Nothing personal against Missouri but there is a lot of fans across the SEC that are not in favor of expansion.

Again, yeah, I agree. If the SEC can get national, strong programs.....by all means, get them now. However, the names that have been floated out there.......they will be available.Sure the BigNorth may sweep in and pick up Missouri and the PAC12, A&M. But again....not personal......but so what. Assumming Texas and Oklahoma are destine for the PAC12.....wait. Try to pick up teams from the east. The SEC will not lose prospects to the ACC or Big East no matter ifthe Big12 breaks upthis year or next. If anything, the SEC will steal the ACCs and BigEastsfootball 1stmembers when it becomes clear to everyone that 16 superconferences are necessary.

 

[TUSK.sixpack]

Our current TV deal was great...then... Now, it sucks.<div>
</div><div>I say add only 2 teams for 2012 or 2013, get the new TV deal, then add 2 more at a later date if that TV contract becomes antiquated.</div><div>
</div><div>More money helps the "have nots" more so than the "haves"...</div>

 

[TUSK.sixpack]

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[Incognegro]

Settle down Frances..... Nothing personal against Missouri but there is a lot of fans across the SEC that are not in favor of expansion.

A majority of this board falls under that category. What the 17 do you not get? Jesus Christ, this is like convincing aMormonthat black people have souls

 

[MaroonedNdaRock]

You are the dumbass. I get it.....expand now, TV markets, it is inevitable.....

What your dumbass doesn't get isif we are going to 16, the SEC has 4 spots to give......don't jump on the 1st thing to come along. Keep your 4 spots for the most valuable prospects to fill them. AND you don't have to fill them right now....maybe next summer but not this fall.......can your dumbass not understand that? I really doubt it.

I remember why Ihave not posted on this board muchthe past year.......

 

[missouridawg]

but instead wait on 4 later. That sounds extremely smart.</p>

 

[o_1984Dawg]

We don't need to go to 16. We don't even NEED to go to 14. The others could go to 16 and we could stay at 12 and we'd be just fine. We are going to 14 because we WANT Texas A&M for the value they add not for the numbers. Mizzou (hopefully) or WV or whoever is simply going to benefit from A&M needing a partner.

 

[o_1984Dawg]

The PAC started this last year when they were going to grab 6 valuable schools from the Big 12, and it seems like out of nowhere people have just been convinced that 16 is the ideal number? What's so great about 16 teams? When you get to numbers that could split in half and be 2 conferences, it doesn't seem very stable to me.

 

[1dawgfan09]

The times, they are a'changin'.

 

[Incognegro]

the reasons we're going for aTm over UT now instead of waiting for later... That is one of the funniest comments I've seen on this board since I've been here. Keep it up... you're making a good name for yourself.

 

[missouridawg]

is a big 17 you to the NCAA and a completely different governing bodyfor the 4 super conferences, who will install playoff system to determine the national championship.

 

[MaroonedNdaRock]

I have not read that the SEC officially wants (inviting)anyone other than A&M.So, yes, wait.

 

[engie]

is going to make for a tv revenueincreaseof ~$10 million per year for State and Ole Miss.
Strictly talking percentages: State currentathletics budget - $40mil. A&M money - $50mil. 20% increase.
Bama current athletics budget - $100mil. A&M money-$110mil.9% increase.
See how this helps us morethan it helps them?

In this same situation, the Big12 would've increased every team15%, so we would've gotten $7mil, while Bama got $15mil. Thus the"rich get richer" and the poor stay farther behind.That's why the Big12 was doomed to fail a long time ago.

 

[missouridawg]

well done and welcome aboard

 

[MaroonedNdaRock]

Where are you getting that information? I would like to read it.

 

[thatsbaseball]

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[o_1984Dawg]

The SEC is thriving under the current system. We're not trying to change it. You might be letting your hate for the NCAA cloud your judgement. That's about as likely as the post yesterday asking if gameday would come to Starkville if State and Bama are 9-0.

 

[Incognegro]

are you saying that it's unlikely that both State and Bama are undefeated by the time the meet (which is what I'm inclined to believe) or that game day will be there to cover the game?<div>
</div><div>reason I ask is because the post was mainly talking about would game day show up under those circumstances. not so much if that exact scenario would happen.</div>

 

[engie]

Increasesover 40%by adding A&M.We go from one MAJOR tv market(Atlanta) to 3(Houston, Dallas).This should also increase viewership 35-40% based on population base alone. Viewership is directly related to expected revenue. Slive was already looking for a reason to renegotiate the tv deal, as it's now worth less thanthe Pac12, B1G, and even ACC deals. Slive will likely use the Pac12 deal as the baseline for renegotiation before adding the 40% for A&M.

Currently, we get an avg of 17mil/yrin the SEC tv deal.
Pac12 member get an avgof 20.5mil.
20.5 up 40% = 28.7mil = extra 11.7mil for us

Yes,A&Mis worth over $100mil per year to the SEC, partially because of the market they are in, and partially just because they give Slive the ability to renegotiate the initially bad(in hindsight) deal.

 

[Incognegro]

3 awesome first posts in a row is a rare feat...<div>
</div><div>Also, I wanna through some hypotheticals your way. Say we go up to 16 and aTm is one of the 4. How much more would you say our revenue as a conference and for MSU would increase if we get other schools namely: Mizzou, VT and NC State?</div>

 

[AssEndDawg]

The SEC is thriving under the current system. <span style="font-weight: bold;">We're not trying to change it.</span>

Sure as hell looks like we are trying to change it. As far as I can tell the SEC will be the first conference to go over 12 teams. Please explain to me how we are not trying to change the status quo...

 

[o_1984Dawg]

Sorry I'm saying the SEC adding teams so we can rise up against the NCAA is as likely as State and Bama being 9-0. And btw, anyone who believes adding A&M is adding 40% more viewers is kidding themselves. Though as I've said I do think it's a great move.

 

[o_1984Dawg]

We aren't trying to change the NCAA system, not the conference makeups. Sorry, thought it was obvious.

 

[maroonmadman]

The SEC got this whole thing rolling when we expanded from 10 teams to 12, split into 2 divisions and began having a conference championship game between those 2 divisional winners. The winner of our championship game usually gets a spot in the BCS title game.Other conferences have now caught up and are threatening to go ahead. In order for the SEC to remain the premier conference in the land we'll have to go with the flow and expand. I don't particularly like it myself but it's going to happen and for us to remain competitive with other conferences for revenue $$ and viewers we have no choice but to expand.

 

[thatsbaseball]

Atlanta is an SEC town and I`m a little skeptical about alarge numberof people in Houston and Dallas tuning into SEC games(not involviving A&M)just because the Aggies joined the SEC . But hey if Slive can sell the networks this shuck and jive mo power to him and mo money for us.

edited to add : How many people live in Florida and do any of them own TV`s ?

 

[patdog]

so that's all additionalrevenue. Plus while not everyone in Houston and Dallas will tune in to the other SEC games, a substantial number of them will. A&M fans aren't going to give a **** about watching a PAC-16 game when they can watch an SEC game. Hell, even a fair number of Texas fans will tune in to the SEC too instead of watching Washington-Oregon St.

 

[AssEndDawg]

if you thin that the NCAA is absolutely safe. I don't think it will happen but the NCAA is trying to change now because they see the writing on the wall. There is nothing magical about the NCAA, it could easily be discarded if there were enough people willing to make a new system. I think they will make sure that doesn't happen but it's not completely out of the realm of possibility.

 

[ThePinkFloyd]

in our high rise elongated bowl when it hit me. If that galactically stupid commish of ours had the foresight to sign a decent TV contract we wouldnt be having this conversation in the first place. That bastard Slive hasnt done a damn bit of good for this conference since he was hired. I hope and pray that he isnt in the mix on this (although I know he is) and that our university presidents think this thing through before making a decision in the interest of being the first to 14 or 16. That stupid *** couldnt handle the Cam Newton investigation, and now the conference is gonna let himthrow his two cents in onexpansion ( I know this is up to the university presidents, but you know that Slive will have influence on the decision)

Slive SUX</p>

 

[windcrysmary]

Manifest destiny...look it up in American history

 

[MississippiHeavyMetalDawg]

I just saying.