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<blockquote data-quote="Mountaineer Steve" data-source="post: 129512402" data-attributes="member: 1495432"><p>WOW my core beliefs? I am going to give you way more than you asked for. My expansion beliefs are outlined in the ramblings below. I apologize in advance for miss spellings and grammar issues. </p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Foremost in my thinking the BIG12 has been and remains the most dysfunctional P5 conference. It took Chuck Neinas (maybe the only person the entire conference knew and respected) to save it from itself. <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Regardless of the kumbaya talks, it still has factions, like Boren, who are willing to air the conference dirty laundry in public. Some on this board think that is a good thing. I happen to think it adds to the instability of the conference. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">One of the driving factors programs left the BIG12, was the heavy hand Texas wielded plus the additional reveune they make above and beyond other conference members. The LHN and Texas continues that trend</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Before the ACC grant of rights, the BIG12 had an opportunity to add FSU and Clemson. Texas was totally against it, and used their influence to prevent expansion So instead of adding two eastern powers that would have given the BIG12 2 great conference football division, we are stuck with the possibility of adding the likes of UC, UCONN and UCF.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The BIG12 is the only conference that does not include all T1,T2, T3 rights into TV contracts or networks. Again this gives Texas a much greater advantage than any other program and I believe is a causes for resentment if not now then down the road</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Everyone understand that the TV contacts money for tier 1 and 2 stays the same regardless who is added. The problem is the rest revenue split money is will go down. <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">I can not remember where I read it, but it was stated the only reason the TV $$ stayed the same, was it automatically included the addition of CCG. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Assuming the above is correct adding a 10 team CCG brings 2.5 to 3 million per program. Assuming it is not correct there is still a 1/4 of a million reduction in payout. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Splitting the CFP money 10 ways instead of 12 adds another 1.3 million per program</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The BIG12 gets far more teams percentage wise (70%) and as many or more (7) into the dance than any other conference. It isn't likely the number of programs would raise to more than 7 programs a year Despite what Buck thinks. Splitting NCAA BB money 10 was instead of 12 brings more money per program. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Adding teams may add more bowl games, but of the lessor variety. It isn't likely the bowls revenue increases above expenses enough to keep the bowl revenue the same. </li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"><strong>Will the BIG12 sit on their hands and do nothing? </strong><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">No I think they will take a vote, I just don't know what outcome of that vote would be. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A 'No' vote does not mean they did nothing, it just means a super majority was not in favor of adding G5 programs. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A super majority vote is not relevant if Texas is not willing to give up the LHN. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">What will Texas demand in order to give up the LHN? If the demand is more revenue for the life then the conference will disintegrate eventually anyway and expansion is not relevant. </li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Last year I believed, if the BIG12 could hold a 10 team CCG, they would stay put for 3-4 years and see what transpired. That opinion has changed a bit with everything hinging on the research and LHN solution</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Unlike others (not to pick on Buck), I don’t believe it is a slam dunk the BIG12 network is going to bring in enough money to offset other loss of revenue. In just a few short years, we have seen a major Paradigm shift in network TV. Every year ESPN is losing more and more revenue due to cord cutting. Many of the current contracts were signed before the issue became prevalent and is causing the losses. Disney is forcing ESPN to cut 100’s of millions of dollars from its budget. I have to believe Fox is having the same problem. So where is all this BIG12 network revenue going to come from?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Assuming revenue figures come back positive, and there is a super majority vote for expansion, there still needs to be a reasonable solution to LHN. Maybe ESPN will help pay Texas off to shut it down</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Even if the numbers come back positive, ESPN, FOX, or other provider partners have to agree to terms on BIG12N before expansion takes place. You can’t rely on the word of ESPN they will help create a network. Before signing the GOR the ACC went down that path, and now they might not get a real network until the new contracts are signed in 2027.</li> </ul></li> </ol><p>With all that said, I don’t know what will happen. My dream scenario , is to wait until the ACC contacts nears the end, the BIG poach UNC, GT, UVA, and or DUKE, and help pick of the pieces. That is if the BIG12 does not implode beforehand without expansion.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mountaineer Steve, post: 129512402, member: 1495432"] WOW my core beliefs? I am going to give you way more than you asked for. My expansion beliefs are outlined in the ramblings below. I apologize in advance for miss spellings and grammar issues. [LIST=1] [*]Foremost in my thinking the BIG12 has been and remains the most dysfunctional P5 conference. It took Chuck Neinas (maybe the only person the entire conference knew and respected) to save it from itself. [LIST] [*]Regardless of the kumbaya talks, it still has factions, like Boren, who are willing to air the conference dirty laundry in public. Some on this board think that is a good thing. I happen to think it adds to the instability of the conference. [*]One of the driving factors programs left the BIG12, was the heavy hand Texas wielded plus the additional reveune they make above and beyond other conference members. The LHN and Texas continues that trend [*]Before the ACC grant of rights, the BIG12 had an opportunity to add FSU and Clemson. Texas was totally against it, and used their influence to prevent expansion So instead of adding two eastern powers that would have given the BIG12 2 great conference football division, we are stuck with the possibility of adding the likes of UC, UCONN and UCF. [*]The BIG12 is the only conference that does not include all T1,T2, T3 rights into TV contracts or networks. Again this gives Texas a much greater advantage than any other program and I believe is a causes for resentment if not now then down the road [/LIST] [*]Everyone understand that the TV contacts money for tier 1 and 2 stays the same regardless who is added. The problem is the rest revenue split money is will go down. [LIST] [*]I can not remember where I read it, but it was stated the only reason the TV $$ stayed the same, was it automatically included the addition of CCG. [*]Assuming the above is correct adding a 10 team CCG brings 2.5 to 3 million per program. Assuming it is not correct there is still a 1/4 of a million reduction in payout. [*]Splitting the CFP money 10 ways instead of 12 adds another 1.3 million per program [*]The BIG12 gets far more teams percentage wise (70%) and as many or more (7) into the dance than any other conference. It isn't likely the number of programs would raise to more than 7 programs a year Despite what Buck thinks. Splitting NCAA BB money 10 was instead of 12 brings more money per program. [*]Adding teams may add more bowl games, but of the lessor variety. It isn't likely the bowls revenue increases above expenses enough to keep the bowl revenue the same. [/LIST] [*][B]Will the BIG12 sit on their hands and do nothing? [/B] [LIST] [*]No I think they will take a vote, I just don't know what outcome of that vote would be. [*]A 'No' vote does not mean they did nothing, it just means a super majority was not in favor of adding G5 programs. [*]A super majority vote is not relevant if Texas is not willing to give up the LHN. [*]What will Texas demand in order to give up the LHN? If the demand is more revenue for the life then the conference will disintegrate eventually anyway and expansion is not relevant. [*]Last year I believed, if the BIG12 could hold a 10 team CCG, they would stay put for 3-4 years and see what transpired. That opinion has changed a bit with everything hinging on the research and LHN solution [*]Unlike others (not to pick on Buck), I don’t believe it is a slam dunk the BIG12 network is going to bring in enough money to offset other loss of revenue. In just a few short years, we have seen a major Paradigm shift in network TV. Every year ESPN is losing more and more revenue due to cord cutting. Many of the current contracts were signed before the issue became prevalent and is causing the losses. Disney is forcing ESPN to cut 100’s of millions of dollars from its budget. I have to believe Fox is having the same problem. So where is all this BIG12 network revenue going to come from? [*]Assuming revenue figures come back positive, and there is a super majority vote for expansion, there still needs to be a reasonable solution to LHN. Maybe ESPN will help pay Texas off to shut it down [*]Even if the numbers come back positive, ESPN, FOX, or other provider partners have to agree to terms on BIG12N before expansion takes place. You can’t rely on the word of ESPN they will help create a network. Before signing the GOR the ACC went down that path, and now they might not get a real network until the new contracts are signed in 2027. [/LIST] [/LIST] With all that said, I don’t know what will happen. My dream scenario , is to wait until the ACC contacts nears the end, the BIG poach UNC, GT, UVA, and or DUKE, and help pick of the pieces. That is if the BIG12 does not implode beforehand without expansion. [/QUOTE]
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