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The title was actually a quote by one of the kids.

I would expect Duke will be given some tough treatment, and it is appropriate in some respects. I also hope others outside the program are given tough treatment for snap judgments. I remember the coach at Syracuse was particularly bad.

I can't wait to watch this. Still use this as the example of why people should acknowledge "innocent until proven guilty".
 
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Upsetting how an institution of higher learning, one who should be a guardian of higher principles, threw kids under the bus for image purposes. Still wish K would have said something regarding innocent until proven guilty.
 

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Upsetting how an institution of higher learning, one who should be a guardian of higher principles, threw kids under the bus for image purposes. Still wish K would have said something regarding innocent until proven guilty.
The only time that I have been ashamed of Duke.They left those kids out to dry
 
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I hope they give Mike Nifong everything he deserves. He should never have anything to do with practicing law of any kind ever again unless it's jail. Maybe he can sell peanuts and pop corn in the Dean Dome to the whine and cheese crowd of which I'm sure he was one and maybe still is.and sweep up the peanut shells after the game. You talk about a selfish, ambitious at no cost slime ball it's Nifong. OFC
 
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Show I am happy to tell you I think that will be proven DEAD WRONG,...Don' t bet the RANCH on RANT....
BlackRazor wrote:
st8dukegrad87 wrote:
This guy is an absolute idiot. Whether a player majored in a topic or not is not relevant, it is whether the player received impermissible benefits and the NCAA has evidence provided by UNC-CH that players received impermissible benefits into 2011 which is why the NOA states 2002-2011.

It is funny how they have moved from MBB was not in the NOA, to MBB will not be touched, to MBB will get off light and now they will get off because of a statute of limitations.

MBB will be punished and will be punished severely. All of my sources continue to indicate punishment will be delivered by end of May 2016. Keep in mind that LOIC is the most severe charge the NCAA can levy:

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/02/20/lack-of-institutional-control-is-gateway-to-severe-penalties/


I feel dumber for having clicked on that link....
Thanks for the update st8 - so we have 12 Friday's left to the end of May.
PackPride
 

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At the time the national media crafted their own narrative...rich vs poor , white vs black , town/gown issues , "perfect storm" yada yada yada. In fact , there was only one story....a corrupt , now-disbarred lawyer pursuing his own agenda. An "agenda" that included conducting a witch hunt vs the ( law ) school that rejected him and a corrupt police dept that went along with this crap. Once he was disgraced and booted and his "victim" eventually went to prison ( where she currently resides! ) for MURDER , it was especially galling to watch the complicit try and distance themselves from the entire event. I followed it very closely at the time. At first ( and I'm betting many of ya had similar experiences ) all I ever heard about from rival fans ( unx'ers mostly! ) was this damn case. Once the truth became painfully obvious those same people ceased having ANY interest in discussing it. "Hey , the Duke guys declared INNOCENT....by a unx alum attorney general no less! Nifong gonna be disbarred. unx alum too , right? Hated Duke to begin with etc." The responses? "Awww man , I'm tired of that whole thing. Don't wanna talk about it anymore. I knew Nifong and that crazy hooker were lyin' anyway blah blah blah." Then the politicians. Mike Easley ( unx alum ) publicly character assassinates his appointment ( Nifong. ) Said that it was all supposed to be a temporary fill-in and Nifong agreed to it initially. "Hey , I told 'im just to hold the fort down for awhile and when election time came we would nominate another person for the gig. Nifong agreed to those terms but lied. I never wanted 'im to run for the office. It's not MY fault. I never liked the guy anyway." Even heard from a cabbie who was present for some of that night. He had a compelling eyewitness account but the police weren't interested in his story. Duke kids were guilty of hiring strippers , playing their music loudly and public urination and they certainly weren't alone. And just for the record , this is NOT an indictment of the unx team. Just an illustration of how 2 similar series of events were handled very differently...


UNC men's lacrosse team sees own spell of legal fits

Charges in Chapel Hill against UNC men's lacrosse players on the 2006 roster They have been charged with underage consumption of alcohol, possession of an open alcohol container, slapping the back of a police patrol car while drunk and willful damage to property. And that's just in the past year. Eight members of the 43-man North Carolina men's lacrosse team have been arrested or cited in Chapel Hill during the past two-and-a-half years.


http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2006/04/unc_mens_lacrosse_team_sees_own_spell_of_legal_fits
 

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Let's please not turn this into another UNC thread. We have enough of those.

Like I said, I'm really looking forward to this 30 for 30 tonight. A few nice (small) pieces on the the front page of ESPN.com for those interested.
 
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DevilDJ does a really excellent job on the UNC scandal coverage.. We will be watching an special on their PROVEN SHENANIGANS someday if John Skipper departs...
 

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Almost at the halfway mark of the program and I had forgotten how despicable some of these people were/are.
 
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Just finished watching it. About midway through I was shaking in rage all over again.

I thought it was pretty good, but it would have been better if a few people had agreed to be interviewed.
 

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I remember that affair pretty clearly. Along with most people, I thought they were guilty due to the way it was presented by the media. It wasn't very long though, and it started to become apparent that we had jumped to conclusions much too quickly. That was something like a month later. Within about another month, it started to become very clear that those kids were being railroaded by a DA and a university that were completely out of control. The entire affair was disgusting in the extreme. Multiple people were using the situation to suit their political objectives and/or keep themselves out of the line of fire.

There was an open letter signed by something like 80 professors at the university and published in the school paper (I think) that condemned those players as guilty before all the facts were in. Richard Brodhead was equally pusillanimous in his actions. Every one of those people should have been fired, but has any of them even apologized for their actions? There is no chance, and I mean no chance whatsoever that this would have happened if it had been the basketball team. That is not to say that any other university would have done the right thing (witness the University of Virginia and the University of Missouri,) but the failure of Duke University to acknowledge its own wrongdoing and that of its employees is cowardly.
 
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the failure of Duke University to acknowledge its own wrongdoing and that of its employees is cowardly.

They DID acknowledge it...via their checkbook. Woulda been nice to have heard someone step up and offer a verbal apology though. Anyway , tons of comments on the site...


 
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I forgot it was coming on so I missed most of it but I caught about the last 20-30 minutes of it. I still can't believe that Nifong was only sentenced to 1 day in jail for giving false information and twisting things to fit his agenda. He deserved and should've gotten more jail time after he was disbarred.
 

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Dave Evans facing the media so strongly at such a young age under those conditions was extremely impressive.

Bilas' letter regarding students rights was spot on. Jay could be university president if he desired.

The look on bar association judge's face as Nifong admitted lies was truly astonishing.
 

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I thought ESPN did a pretty good job. had forgotten that Nifong only got 1 day in jail. I day for all the pain he caused. 1 day for costing a very good head coach his job. 1 day for a team that had a chance to win a national championship. 1 day for what would cost three young men even though found innocent a mark on the rest of their lives. He and he alone caused all of this. He could have stopped early but he had ambitions and it wasn't just getting re-elected. Remember the year and who was gearing up for a presidential run. His old classmate John Edwards was on the move and even though he would end up as Gore's running mate I can't help but good ole Mike was counting on Edwards to find him a job and what a jewel in the crown it would be to put 3 white rich boys who played at Duke University away for a long time. It's all about ambitious greed. Fortunate enough the accused had the resources to fight it ans although I'm am a Duke fan I'm very pleased that the university had to compensate these players and family. Also why weren't the Duke professors who jumped on Nifong's band wagon not held accountable. I'm thrilled that Broadhead and Alleva are elsewhere. I'm also saddened to see the lead detective eventually committed suicide. That is something strange there. One more thing. With all events the same and if it happened at The University of Chapel Hill and Mike Nifong had the very same job in Orange County as he had in Durham County what would he have done. In one of his statements in 30/30 he mentioned and I don't remember his exact words but he said he was going to make sure that the DUKE LX team would not get away with it and he emphasized Duke. Mike Nifong to this day claims something happened in the bathroom. The only thing that happened in the bathroom room with Crystal was she probably took a leak. Just in case some of you missed the 30/30 she is now in prison for second degree murder. As for Mr. Nifong he may be on a North or South Carolina beach right now enjoying the comfort of his beach house. At least he will never practice law again I hope but you never know. OFC
 
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I'm cynical so it doesn't surprise me when ya find out a public servant does something self-serving and illegal. But knowingly sentencing innocent people to long prison terms just for political and personal gain?! Nifong also knowingly exploited a mental and emotional trainwreck ( Mangum ) while ( again , knowingly! ) doing a grave disservice to those women who have suffered actual sexual/physical assaults. And I STILL wanted to punch 'im in the mouth as I watched those crocodile tears runnin' down his cheeks during his disbarment. As we saw , he sat there and apologized to the kids and their families but as Sky just pointed out , he's since reiterated his belief that "something" happened in that bathroom. Speaks volumes about the guy. He doesn't believe those words but it's just another way for 'im to give a big fat "FU" to the world. He's a true scumbag. I wish they had shown the footage of Bob Harris callin' the police on 'im. Lol. Anyone else remember that? On a more positive note , I suppose I should be thankful the doc gave no screen time to Victoria Peterson , Wahneema Lubianno or Cash Michaels. Those 3 were reprehensible throughout too.
 

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I'm cynical so it doesn't surprise me when ya find out a public servant does something self-serving and illegal. But knowingly sentencing innocent people to long prison terms just for political and personal gain?! Nifong also knowingly exploited a mental and emotional trainwreck ( Mangum ) while ( again , knowingly! ) doing a grave disservice to those women who have suffered actual sexual/physical assaults. And I STILL wanted to punch 'im in the mouth as I watched those crocodile tears runnin' down his cheeks during his disbarment. As we saw , he sat there and apologized to the kids and their families but as Sky just pointed out , he's since reiterated his belief that "something" happened in that bathroom. Speaks volumes about the guy. He doesn't believe those words but it's just another way for 'im to give a big fat "FU" to the world. He's a true scumbag. I wish they had shown the footage of Bob Harris callin' the police on 'im. Lol. Anyone else remember that? On a more positive note , I suppose I should be thankful the doc gave no screen time to Victoria Peterson , Wahneema Lubianno or Cash Michaels. Those 3 were reprehensible throughout too.
I'm still pissed about this too. It makes me feel better knowing Nifong must live every day knowing there's at least a chance one of the wrongly accused comes back for final revenge. That would be unsettling. Imagine knowing you'll die with a tainted legacy. In the grand scheme of things, that must suck for him.
 
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Just finished watching it. About midway through I was shaking in rage all over again.

I thought it was pretty good, but it would have been better if a few people had agreed to be interviewed.

Agree with you. I haven't posted in many moons. dukiejay, I suspect you remember your old terp friend from theses boards! In any case, I remember when the scandal was happening and all the back and forth on this board. It was a very wild time and such a travesty in the end. I also recall when Evans gave that statement; I remember watching it live and thinking, this is going to change the whole thing. It ultimately did. You could just tell that kid was being completely earnest. It was strong stuff and it changed my view of the entire scandal. It was the first time that I and many others began to consider the possibility that Nifong was the liar and not the kids, who had otherwise remained silent.

Those kids were persecuted in public and not given much of a chance by anyone. It is a very strong form of poetic justice in terms of what has happened to Mangum, Gotleib and Nifong since that time.

One question; how did Brodhead survive that? He seems to me to have demonstrated very poor leadership and turned on his own students and was a big part of the problem and rush to judgment.

Anyway, very good documentary and an appropriate summary of that time.

Good luck at the dance.
 
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I think for some reason this may be replayed tonight or soon on either ESPN or ESPN 2. I think all people should see this even if you aren't a sports fan. It's more than about sports. It's really not about sports at all. It's about human injustice, prejudice, devious ambition bad judgement and lousy integrity. . OFC
 
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Think of all the innocent people in jail right now. Rail roaded, but didn't have the means/publicity that those kids did. Nifong should have spent years in jail. Whole situation was disgusting. Probably happens a lot more than any of us could imagine.
 

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Think of all the innocent people in jail right now. Rail roaded, but didn't have the means/publicity that those kids did. Nifong should have spent years in jail. Whole situation was disgusting. Probably happens a lot more than any of us could imagine.


Another thing Nifong filed for bankruptcy when all the lies caught up with him. Slime ball. He should have been made to live with Will Graves in HOF Coach Roy Williams mansion forever along with Melvin Scott.. OFC
 
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I think for some reason this may be replayed tonight or soon on either ESPN or ESPN 2. I think all people should see this even if you aren't a sports fan. It's more than about sports. It's really not about sports at all. It's about human injustice, prejudice, devious ambition bad judgement and lousy integrity. . OFC
It just made me furious to watch it. I work in the legal system and I still can't believe that someone could be so corrupt and self serving for their own personal gain. Nifong is a pure piece of crap.
 

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this piece was really well done. And Kudos to the people who agreed to be interviewed - some of who had said the kids were guilty.

dave evans - man, what a hero. would have loved to hear from the guys today. but understand their unwillingness to bring it up again. they have moved on.

what a great lesson in life this is. as you can see - government does not do the correct thing - power is abused. and it happens on a daily basis.

i loved the attorney that stayed up all night and read the DNA evidence book. He did his homework and it turned the case around.
 

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Watched it. Great! I had forgotten just exactly how the bombshell was dropped about the conspiracy to withhold evidence. Wow!

You know the scene where there are people banging pots and pans outside the lax house? I witnessed it. I was running the wall on a weekend morning and there they were. I was running counter-clockwise so I passed them on Buchanan, then turned left on Markham, etc. On my first lap they were at the lax house. I stopped and watched, in part b/c I recognized a former student among them. (She was notably subdued and contemplative, I was pleased to see.) On my second lap, they had moved to the provost's house, which is that out-of-place adobe-looking house on Markham 2-3 houses from the corner of Buchanan. There I stopped completely and leaned on the wall and talked to a couple police officers who were watching from across the street. (Let me pause to say that at this point in the story, there wasn't even a second thought to the fact that something had happened. The calm voices were saying "maybe it was consensual...." ) I was there, watching the provost talk to the mob in his own driveway, when he could have just holed-up inside, trying to plead for due process and LIPO, and I remember thinking he was a brave, honorable dude. And then I heard what you can hear in the show, this one lady screeching, "What if it was your daughter?!" and I remember thinking, whoa, that's dirty pool right there. I had just two kids at the time, both girls, ages 4.9 and 1.75, and I remember thinking that bringing emotion into it by invoking someone's own children was way, way wrong. It's the same way I react when someone throws, "What if it was your loved one?" into a death penalty discussion. It's wrong, and it's a cheap shot.Emotion has its place, but not in the judicial process. I paused the show right there and recalled it to my wife, asking her if she remembered me coming home and telling her about that. She said she did, but I think she was just humoring me. She fell asleep shortly thereafter, forgetful tired farmer that she is, God bless her.

I get the outrage, but it makes me wary... Nifong? Oh, heck, yeah. On behalf of potentially wrongfully convicted people over the course of his career? Double heck yeah. But the rest of it... IDK... I thought the show did a really, really good job of rolling it out the way it actually happened. (30 for 30 always does.) It showed the very, very natural way people responded. Near the beginning the young Cheshire assistant who breaks it wide open mentions how defense attorneys themselves know most criminal suspects who go to trial are guilty. We have a certain trust -- we have to -- in our court system. We can be skeptical enough to avoid being hoodwinked, but on a very basic level, we have to trust it works. The "rush to judgment," as it's retrospectively labeled and condemned, is the same process that leads to investigations that lead to accurate convictions. It went horribly wrong in this case, b/c of Nifong's and Gottlieb's corruption, and Mangum's cray-cray-and-another-cray, but I submit that the public outcry and the media response were unwitting pawns in that. They have regrets -- like that sincere, honorable journalist who wrote an apologetic follow-up -- but I find it hard to fault them for trusting the DA's emphatic word that something terrible had happened.

When we get too outraged we get self-righteous and indignant and blind to the humanity in it. We also engage in revisionist history, acting as if it was all obviously pure applesauce from the get-go, and that's dangerous b/c the next time it happens we forget that the signs aren't always that obvious that early and we do the same "rush to judgment" all over again. Between the most outraged observer and one of the figures who got caught up in it, I have much more faith that the latter learned a lesson that will prevent them from doing the same next time.
 

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this piece was really well done. And Kudos to the people who agreed to be interviewed - some of who had said the kids were guilty.

dave evans - man, what a hero. would have loved to hear from the guys today. but understand their unwillingness to bring it up again. they have moved on.

what a great lesson in life this is. as you can see - government does not do the correct thing - power is abused. and it happens on a daily basis.

i loved the attorney that stayed up all night and read the DNA evidence book. He did his homework and it turned the case around.
Yeah, I remember snapshots of that public statement Evans made, but not its effect. That was huge and took a tremendous amount of courage and composure. The real hero in it for me, though, is Reade Seligmann. His final statement about how people less fortunate could easily be victims of systemic corruption is the most valuable and positive thing to come from this. There's the risk that all it amounts to is a bunch of privileged kids being indignant over what happened to them and how-dare-anyone-do-that-to-ME-don't-they-know-who-I-am, but in Seligmann I see the appropriate direction it should go instead. I'm no fan of trickle down economics, but sometimes justice works that way, where someone w/ the means is able to break through systemic corruption and lead to reform that helps everyone. Shame on us for not protecting the least of us as well from the beginning, but shedding light on it the way Seligmann has is the next best thing.

I would tweak your great lesson in life some. The govt does not always do the right thing, that is true, but ultimately, that's about us. People don't always do the right thing, and more often than not, it's b/c we don't know the right thing. When we put it all on the big, bad, spooky government, we risk abdicating our own responsibility and make as if our own govt is the enemy, as opposed to a powerful vehicle or tool that we need to use, influence, and reform w/ respect and caution. It's like a gun in that way, perhaps.
 

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I followed the story at the time and then I read Until Proven Innocent a couple of years ago, so I was very familiar with this. I thought ESPN did a nice job with the story, but it turns out that 2 hours seriously was not enough time. For anyone still interested, I HIGHLY recommend Until Proven Innocent. It goes into much, much more depth and really tells the story in a much more compelling way of how evil Nifong was (and I don't use that word loosely) and how horrifically the Duke administration handled this.

Every year when the alumni association asks me to donate I go back and forth in my head about whether I really want to support a school that did this to their kids and then didn't have the guts to stand up and admit they were wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_of_88

Some years I donate. Some years I don't.
 

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Didn't want to read this thread until after I got around to watching it. I finished it yesterday and I had a hard time watching it without getting extremely pissed off throughout the entire program. It was great and like many have said really opened my eyes to more that was going on that I didn't know. I remember when it was actually happening. I had a hunch that they were innocent and I purchased a Duke Lacrosse shirt during the whole ordeal to "show support." I was wearing it with my high school girlfriend in a mall once and got confronted by a guy. He proceeded to call me a rapist because I support the Duke LAX program and how would I liked if that was my daughter in her shoes. I told him to let it play out in the court room and continued on my way. Boy, I wish I could go find that guy today.
 

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You know the scene where there are people banging pots and pans outside the lax house? I witnessed it.

Don't know if she was at that particular pot-bang but recollections of such scenes always reminds me of Victoria Peterson. Truly despicable human being.

but I submit that the public outcry and the media response were unwitting pawns in that. They have regrets -- like that sincere, honorable journalist who wrote an apologetic follow-up -- but I find it hard to fault them for trusting the DA's emphatic word that something terrible had happened.

Notable exceptions to the "media...unwitting pawns" theory are Nancy Grace and Cash Michaels. I've never read an article where the writer prefaced damn-near every sentence written with a "Sources say..." or "According to those close to the situation..." or "Speaking on the condition of anonymity..." etc as Michaels did. Hate admitting it now but I read an azzload of the "fantastic lies" he wrote back then. Shameful stuff. Tried to pass off speculation , hyperbole , prejudice and hearsay as facts. Zero corroboration for any of it too. The muck-raking earned 'im a spot on one of the myriad news shoes covering it back then...a national one too. Hated that guy. Still do. Don't recall any contrition from 'im either. Nancy? Well , she's never apologized either. She spent months bashing the guys every single night and the day they're declared "innocent" she bolts. She used a sub to fill-in for her and the show that night was about God-knows-what but it sure wasn't Duke lax. Jon Stewart ate 'er alive...



I was wearing it with my high school girlfriend in a mall once and got confronted by a guy. He proceeded to call me a rapist because I support the Duke LAX program and how would I liked if that was my daughter in her shoes.

I ran into a few of those types back then myself. I often wonder how many of 'em were legitimately concerned about the possibility of some poor girl getting assaulted or were they just using the opportunity to manifest their hatred of Duke basketball. There was an underlying element of that kinda bs throughout.

Boy, I wish I could go find that guy today.

He wouldn't wanna talk about it. As soon as the story became more about corrupt law-enforcement and mentally-unstable accusers , attention wavered. I'm cynical. Mostly , I give people zero credit for being able to look at a situation , analyze it , dissect it and see all sides of it before offering a nuanced opinion. Same with the lax mess. True , it was this "perfect storm" of social issues etc but the "Duke-hate" was never more palpable than it was then. That was the "easy" reaction for many people and it's the one they ran with. Look at that douche-nozzle Shawn Cunningham in the doc. That azz-wipe is STILL whining. "They'll get away with it because Duke always gets away with it." "Did something happen in that bathroom? Probably not." PROBABLY!
 

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Notable exceptions to the "media...unwitting pawns" theory are Nancy Grace and Cash Michaels...

Look at that douche-nozzle Shawn Cunningham in the doc. That azz-wipe is STILL whining. "They'll get away with it because Duke always gets away with it." "Did something happen in that bathroom? Probably not." PROBABLY!
Oh, absolutely re: Nancy Grace. (I don't recall Cash Michaels.)

Shawn Cunningham... is that the NCCU guy? That "probably not" statement had a couple more adamant statements right before it, right? I know what you mean about how he comes across... but I'll add this: There are legitimate issues in society about race, income inequality, equal treatment in the Justice system, privilege, gender... and all of them appeared to have some connection to this case. No doubt people pushed agendas at the expense of the facts in this case, but I recognize how they were building toward really important, valid points about those other issues, and when the case was exposed for the sham it was, those still valid points ended up being built on a suspect foundation, and they fell in a heap, too. I understand the lost opportunity to address issues that matter. I understand that with desperate needs, just about any platform will do in a pinch. It doesn't make it right, but I understand the desperation and the effort, and when a desperate gamble doesn't pay off, I recognize the danger of having a legit point ruined in the wake of it.
 

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I actually remember people who believed themselves to be reasonable, asking me how I could support a school that condones racism and rape. That's no joke.

This film simply reaffirmed my answer which was that I never have and I never will. :)
 

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It just made me furious to watch it. I work in the legal system and I still can't believe that someone could be so corrupt and self serving for their own personal gain. Nifong is a pure piece of crap.
And, let us not forget his partner in crime, Sgt. Goettlib. Might have spelled it wrong. He helped Nifong throughout with the DNA , withholding evidence, etc. He was simply allowed to retire. He should have been fired as well as being charged with obstruction of justice,a term the police are always ready to use. Strange , that term never applies when you read of sentences being overturned due to police withholding evidence, or the prosecution withholding. I haven't seen the program yet, but, I kept up with the event at the time.
 

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Even though it was 10 years ago, I still vividly remember Reade Seligmann sitting behind me in Anthropology of Law and taking a phone call in the middle of class. He only said one word: "WHAT?!?" Immediately left the classroom without any of his stuff and never came back. The next morning, he was all over the news turning himself in to the police. Such a shame he had to go through any of this. However, I'm glad he took an active role in the case and parlayed his personal experience with the judicial system into a career as a lawyer. It's also really wonderful how involved he and Evans/Finnerty are with the Innocence Project: http://www.innocenceproject.org/news-events-exonerations/2012/how-i-found-the-innocence-project

Dave Evans facing the media so strongly at such a young age under those conditions was extremely impressive
I graduated alongside Dave the day before he turned himself in and gave this speech. Just terrible that a day that should have been all about celebrating years of hard work for him was marred by news that he would be indicted. Oh, it was also Mother's Day. How's that for a kick in the pants? Regardless, kudos to Dave on being a fine representative of Duke University. It took a hell of a lot of guts standing up and delivering such a strong and eloquent speech.

Lastly, I recognized a lot of former classmates in the documentary. One in particular gave a statement that was included in the film. I wonder if she regrets her rush to judgment. Shameful.