So in past 40 years UK has exceeded your expectation level 1 time and you expect Stoops to turn it around in 3 years?
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So in past 40 years UK has exceeded your expectation level 1 time and you expect Stoops to turn it around in 3 years?
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All except Brooks fit the criteria. Up and coming coordinator, coach from a small conference. Well and Morris who fit none of the criteria.
Kind of what I was going to say. Different world altogether now. People are simply not going to be patient that way any more. You can lament/complain all you want - microwave society etc. I remember when Notre Dame fired Willingham after 3 years (at least I think I do, not going to check!). There was a lot of hue and cry about that. It used to be the case that you gave a coach 5 years. No more - and that's not just in places where you could reasonably expect to win. Even at a place lacking any sort of historical success, you get 3 years....
I keep seeing people say this and it confuses the hell out of me. So the answer to our problems is to keep coaches like Joker and Stoops for stability's sake? Some of you act like we have actual coaches that know what they're doing but we're constantly pushing them out the door. Stability and "keeping a coach around" don't do a single thing when that coach doesn't know what he's doing.
I agree with you but MB has, what, 12,000,000 or so reasons to keep Stoops on retainer through the end of next year.
It would be great if Stoops could make it here.
Same issues in year 4 is not promising.
Here is my issue with my friend @JPFisher OP.
I agree constant turnover and repeatedly starting from scratch is not good.
But, if we continue to suck this year the recruiting will take a hit and bleed into next year.
Why waste the one year of good returning talent on Stoops if he hasn't improved in 4 years?
Why screw over the new coach by hiring him after 5 years of Stoops instead of 4, which would mean back to back years of lesser recruiting and not being able to take advantage of next year's group?
Next year's group would not be starting from scratch for a new coach.
My fear is that next year with Stoops this experienced group will do just enough to give him a few more years that could lead to mediocre to bad seasons thereafter.
We should know this season and this season alone if CMS is the man for the job.
I have always said that this is my year to evaluate coach.
It is not our fault our awful AD gave the unwarranted extension. Let him pay some of that buyout.
Same issues in year 4 is not promising.
Here is my issue with my friend @JPFisher OP.
I agree constant turnover and repeatedly starting from scratch is not good.
But, if we continue to suck this year the recruiting will take a hit and bleed into next year.
Why waste the one year of good returning talent on Stoops if he hasn't improved in 4 years?
Why screw over the new coach by hiring him after 5 years of Stoops instead of 4, which would mean back to back years of lesser recruiting and not being able to take advantage of next year's group?
Next year's group would not be starting from scratch for a new coach.
My fear is that next year with Stoops this experienced group will do just enough to give him a few more years that could lead to mediocre to bad seasons thereafter.
We should know this season and this season alone if CMS is the man for the job.
I have always said that this is my year to evaluate coach.
It is not our fault our awful AD gave the unwarranted extension. Let him pay some of that buyout.
We've all heard this before. Jauk would still be pumping joker if he could. He did it until the end. I'm ignoring these fans. Stoops is a horrible in game coach and is losing at home to cusa schools in year 4. Every day you keep him is another day this program sinks. Keeping bad coaching for the sake of continuity in the football department isn't going to work if the coach sucks. God could have parked Satan in church everyday, but he still would have rebelled. Suck is Suck, no matter how long you give them to suck.
Every bad hire we hear the same from the "jauk crowd". They did it with joker too. I'm sure they loved tubby and wanted G to stay. They are the do nothing fans. Barnharts pet ferrets.
We are going to landslide this year, maybe an upset or maybe not. It does happen, but like joker beating a few good ones and ending a few droughts, it doesn't matter. There's no way with his coaching we will ever be consistant. They guy doesn't have it.
Change will come eventually, the writing is on the wall.
Every bad hire we hear the same from the "jauk crowd". They did it with joker too. I'm sure they loved tubby and wanted G to stay. They are the do nothing fans. Barnharts pet ferrets.
We are going to landslide this year, maybe an upset or maybe not. It does happen, but like joker beating a few good ones and ending a few droughts, it doesn't matter. There's no way with his coaching we will ever be consistant. They guy doesn't have it.
Change will come eventually, the writing is on the wall.
The worst thing that could happen is stoops getting to 6 wins in year 5 or 6. It could easily doom us. We'd get another 3 years of under 500 football, with the occasional bowl every half decade or so. Smdh.
No I don't expect Stoops to turn it around. Do I wish he could? Yes. But he's doing what almost everyone before him has done. That's the problem and many UK fans that have been around a while are tired of it.
By the way, did you watch that game on Saturday?
I would like to see him get started by replacing the D coordinator.
It doesn't matter that the game has changed - what has not changed (and will never change) is that coaches can, and many do, develop into good and even great coaches. It's not just coaches, obviously, many people in every profession develop over time and get better.
I had the same reaction Saturday that everyone else on this board had - there is not one single poster who was pleased to see the late game collapse woes continue against Southern Miss. The next step is where so many disagree - and it is a perfectly reasonable disagreement to have. Personally, with what you have invested in Stoops and the program, I think you support him and this team through this season, next season, and then evaluate where we are going.
So even if this season goes south as the 1st game, go ahead and waste next year's talent just in case the guy all of a sudden gets it...?
Do you see a difference between Stoops and Joker?
Look, I get the frustration but we are 1, that 1 game into the 4th season of a total rebuild.
I tend to agree. He's not going anywhere til the 2017 season wraps up unfortunately. The problem with that is that recruiting will be tanked, players will be gone, etc. And the cupboard will be bare again. BTW, there were a ton of recruits at the game on Saturday. It's only a matter of time. The reality is, any coach can pull 5 wins here. I'm positive a number of high school coaches could even. If MB is really serious about winning fball, he makes a change while UK stock is up with what we have in place now.
Brian my brother, you have said the most well thought response I have seen. You have changed my mind 100%. If stoops doesn't make a bowl game this year, he needs to go. It's over he has to go. Like you said 4 years is more than enough time to get going. Brooks did it and he faced worse odds.
Why is it unfortunate? What if UK wins 6 games this year and 7 next? I know that doesn't fit the expectations of fan base, because afterall we are UK football, but would that be unfortunate?
With Coach Stoops buyout, thinking he will be gone after this year is only a dream for some. Even with a 4 and 8 record, he will be given one more year. He has at least 18 of his starters back next year, but with the coaching I've seen so far, especially Eliot, I don't think it will help if he doesn't make some changes to the defense, such as letting some of the coaches go and replacing them with coaches who have coached defense, and been DC's. There are some good ones that UK could get. The ball is in Coach Stoop's court.
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That would be great, but I'm not feeling it after Last Saturday's debacle.
They absolutely make "in game" adjustments!
They completely change the offense after we get a lead in order to try and milk the clock.
That's an "in game" adjustment.
It's a bad one...
Then stoops has us headed in the right direction. But right now he doesn't
Jeff Brohm- WKU, Scott Satterfield- Appalachian state, Kyle whittingham-Utah, Sonny crumbie offensive coordinator TCU, Brent Venables- defensive coordinator Clemson.
May not have have a shot at any of them but that's a list I like. Tom Herman would be my choice but he won't come to Kentucky.
I wish that if Kentucky were to go for a new coach, they take someone with head coaching experience. I know theirs a lot of good assistants out there but I think they need a coach that has some experience as a head coach. The new facilities and better roster could help make it easier to get a solid coach. That and a Lot of cash! Lol
Great point and with MB who knows who we get.
Brohm is not impossible but whoever it is I'd rather they get a chance until waiting til the cupboard is bare and recruiting is totally tanked.
My first wish is that CMS turn this around this year. we will see...
Could you list the possible 6 wins this year?
Lots of options have already been listed around here. The reality is anyone can give us roughly 5 wins a season, let's find someone who can do better. They're out there. You see it every year at schools that don't have the talent, support, or the facilities we currently have. We all want better, right?
Except I've explicitly said that Stoops doesn't get unlimited passes from me, just that he doesn't get crucified after one game in this season. UK was not the only upset that went down week one. Not by a long shot, and I am open to accepting that Stoops has a bit more time to right the ship with his back against the wall.
It's like politics at this point. People either want to say that I'm with them or against them, but in reality, I just have an opinion that's thought out and not faction oriented. I'm not "fire Stoops last year" or "keep Stoops for all eternity." I'm wait and see. Most people projected this team as breaking out in 16-17 and if it's going to happen, it's going to be soon. If it doesn't, we move on. However, I don't feel we should fire a coach after the first game.
Like I've said, the next few games will be telling.
But say what you will to fit that agenda.
Morris and Phillips were UK guys at the time of their hires and were not from Central Blah blah university . Stoops was established as one of the top defensive coordinators in college. Not really an unproven up and comer with potential.
Who is talking about firing him after one game? That's right, no one.
We're talking about firing him at the end of the season if things continue on this path, which they likely will. My main concern is our AD. I do not want Mitch Barnhart being allowed to make any more hires in basketball and football. Of the administration likes him so much, fine, let him hire the chess club captain. Have him co-chair feminist and gender studies debates, maybe pick the bass angers next coach. Anything but allowing that failure to continue to tank our most beloved sports.
Stoops should be the last hire on his belt. I have no agenda except seeing UK's most important spots succeed. If that's an agenda, you got me champ.
You insinuated that I would give Stoops unlimited passes like Jauk did to Joker in an effort to invalidate my arguments.
After one game, I don't know who can deny that everyone is talking about scrapping or the potential scrapping of the Stoops era. Again, I'm of the wait-and-see approach with this season being a tipping point.
I just don't understand the anger and seeming desire of so many fans to see Stoops kicked out after one bad game to a team that the board wasn't even in consensus was a bad team until about three weeks prior to the season (hint, they aren't).
We are an sec program homie. This isn't one game, I don't know why you keep saying that. It's YEAR 4.
Losing at home to a mid major, in game one of your fourth year, and looking lost doing it, is why people are so upset. You are mischaracterizing what people are saying and then confusing yourself. This is not acceptable.
Id fire him for an under 500 record and go make a good hire. I think every fan can see where this is headed. We are going to lose over the next couple seasons (including this one) and be another 4 years behind.
Really that is a dumb post. If you don't think that there have been changes, then you have been living on Pluto!
Can you explain that? This is not true at all. EVERY situation is different, and therfore can not assume the process or corrections are the same and require the same time.