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skysdad

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Courtesy of @Sk1310 prior to Game 5 on Monday night:

"Harrison goes for 20+ tonight with Green out. He is option 3 now."

In retrospect, this prediction is just hilarious. Barnes has essentially been a non-factor this entire series, despite a couple of doubt digit performances. Did anyone else catch the part last night during the game when Van Gundy said Barnes was losing himself millions by playing so terribly? So true. This series has proven he is not worth a max contract. Meanwhile Kyrie continues to excel.

On a related note, Steph Curry's wife must be a UNC fan given the tone of her conspiracy theory tweets last night.


One of my all time favorites. OFC
 
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skysdad

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To your first point, I agree. That's just Roy. I know Roy wants to win, but what's more important to Roy than winning, is winning his way.

To your second point, I disagree. I think it's the opposite from what you say. All other variables being equal (coaching, health, etc), the veteran model allows for more consistency but lacks the potential for super highs and super lows. The OAD model I feel has potential for higher highs but also lower lows and it's more succeptable to inconsistent play.



LOLLLL! C'mon KELLEN. You actually have inside info as to what Roy thinks? Hahahahahahaha. You people at DI are absolutely nuts.

They're baaacccckkk. OFC
 
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KellenPatrick

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To your first point, I agree. That's just Roy. I know Roy wants to win, but what's more important to Roy than winning, is winning his way.

To your second point, I disagree. I think it's the opposite from what you say. All other variables being equal (coaching, health, etc), the veteran model allows for more consistency but lacks the potential for super highs and super lows. The OAD model I feel has potential for higher highs but also lower lows and it's more succeptable to inconsistent play.



LOLLLL! C'mon KELLEN. You actually have inside info as to what Roy thinks? Hahahahahahaha. You people at DI are absolutely nuts.

Is that all you got?? I understand it must suck knowing that you aren't getting any of the elite recruits anymore but come on. All you people do now is try and rationalize it in your heads as to why you are "glad" you don't get the OAD type of recruits anyhow. Lol.
 
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Is that all you got?? I understand it must suck knowing that you aren't getting any of the elite recruits anymore but come on. All you people do now is try and rationalize it in your heads as to why you are "glad" you don't get the OAD type of recruits anyhow. Lol.


Strong.
 

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kentucky_wildcat_#1:

"How any parent could think sending their son anywhere to play college basketball than Kentucky still blows my mind. Nothing in life is ever truely guaranteed, but if you play by the odds, the odds are in your favor by being coached by Cal and drafted first round in the Nba draft out of Kentucky. History tells us this is the truth. You can argue that Cal brings in the best talent every single year and that is why this is the case, but it still doesn't change the fact being coached by Cal at Kentucky is the best chance of going to the Nba after just one year of college basketball. Cal does recruit the best in the nation year after year. It takes elite talent to make it to the Nba. More parents need to pay more attention to articles like this when they are doing their research about their elite son's future potential and the Nba. Sometimes you have to do your own research and not take everything a coach tells you as the gospel. If the coach is telling your son something that is not what has shown to be the case in the past, it's time to look elsewhere for your kid's choice of college. Hopefully more parents in the future of the elite recruits of each class will take their time and look into things more clearly than just by going what their favorite headcoach is telling them. If you are a parent of a top 25 player in their recruiting class, check out Kentucky and don't rule them out from the start or you are hurting your kid's future before he even steps on the basketball court."
 

tarheel0910

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And that's a philosophical coaching thing. I get what Roy is saying and I think all of us would appreciate the college game more if things were more like they were, say, 20 years ago....but the reality is they're not. I admire what UNC did this past basketball season from a purist standpoint....getting to where they got with a core of veterans. It's not easy in today's college basketball. The problem with that philosophy is that while an admirable venture the consistency is often times going to lack. UNC's advantage is that they're still UNC, even if they're not recruiting at the highest of levels....because they're still going to recruit better than 90% of other college basketball programs. Their problem, however, is that they might be forced to go through seasons where they "only" win 20-25 games and struggle to get into the second weekend. That said, Duke hasn't made it out of the first round twice in five years.
That's true. Although if you go too far in the other direction then you run the risk of not having a good season as well. Kentucky's NIT season proved that. I think the best way to do it is to have a mix of 3-4 year players and one or two oad players.
 
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tarheel0910

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And he would LOVE to land the likes of Okafor, Jabari, Tatum, Giles, Monk, Bam, Fox, etc... and gladly tell them they are ready after one year. He simply knows he won't be getting them.
He recruited and offered most, if not all, of them so I'm sure he would love to have them.
 
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LetsGoDuke301

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I think the best way to do it is to have a mix of 3-4 year players and one or two oad players.

I think that this is how 99% of Duke fans feel as well. The OAD era is not the proudest time for college basketball fans, but as long as the rules are the way they are, it is what it is. You want the best available players and it's always been that way. But it can come back to bite you as you mentioned.
 

HuffyJB

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That's true. Although if you go too far in the other direction then you run the risk of not having a good season as well. Kentucky's NIT season proved that. I think the best way to do it is to have a mix of 3-4 year players and one or two oad players.

That seems to largely be what K wants to do. The only year in the OAD era he has had more than one was the result of winning a National Championship, which is an exchange any fan would gladly take. I think this year will be his second season that features multiple OADs (with hopefully similar results). I don't care how many he gets, as long as they fully buy in for however long they wear Duke Blue, and it seems his OADs have. Guys like Irving, Parker, Okafor, Jones all are terrific representatives of Duke Basketball.
 

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At least they could see our poast since most of us have been banned. :D OFC
That is true. The way I look at the idea is if you are goung to give it (our thread here) then it's fair game to get it back. The back and forth is a large part of the rivalry. Which is a lot of fun to be part of!
 

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There was a great article on Seventh Woods in the Charlotte Observer. He is going to be a great college guard and impossible to root against as a person. Of course DSouthr uses the opportunity to write a novel on how great Roy is for only going after high character kids that want to play 4 years. Then he tries to sell how UNC's cheating is just a symptom of an overall sick NCAA bball culture (implying that Roy and the boys were just playing a necessary game). Archer also says Seventh is "the epitome of a UNC-type kid." I think he's got a bad case of selective memory. I really wish Seventh had chosen the Gamecocks, but it was probably too small a stage. UNC's roster is full of likeable guys at the moment, most of whom seem to actually be taking college seriously. That doesn't erase history. Shame on them for hiding behind Seventh Woods' good reputation.
 
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DukeDenver

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Seventh is a "UNC type of kid" because he will be there for 4 years. Ha ha.
And what if he blows up this year and is likely to go in the first round? Would that make him any less of a man? They need to rethink their line of reasoning on this one.

DSouthr is implying that Woods chose UNC because of some academic quality unique to UNC. I got news for Seventh: the only unique thing they had is no longer available as of a few years ago. It died with their AFAM dept.
 
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Seventh has been compared by some on THR to the likes of Russell Westbrook and Vince Carter; they'll be lucky to have him for all four years.
 

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All of my fellow Dukies must go the thread by dsouthr titled "7th woods, this is the player we are getting". He has written a very opinionated short story, about two chapters anyway, and his take on most of "the other than UNC recruits, or the other highly recruited basketball recruits UNC isn't getting and their selfishness, me first attitude and greedy actions that he says are typical I guess of the ones that don't choose to be a Tar Hole. His purpose in this story was to rub on a current Duke recruit and to make it sound like Woods is some kind of saint just because he seems to think he has a sweet disposition. Woods is no different I imagine than most young players that has his head on straight, as most do. Read what he has to say showing the usual UNC Cheats venom and holler than thou attitude shown towards other conferences and the much superior schooling they receive at Cheats U. This man is one on the most anal and conceeded UNCheats there is and he makes a fool of himself over and over.
I haven't even seen Woods play and I already dislike him.
 
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DiehardDukeFan4Life

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All of my fellow Dukies must go the thread by dsouthr titled "7th woods, this is the player we are getting". He has written a very opinionated short story, about two chapters anyway, and his take on most of "the other than UNC recruits, or the other highly recruited basketball recruits UNC isn't getting and their selfishness, me first attitude and greedy actions that he says are typical I guess of the ones that don't choose to be a Tar Hole. His purpose in this story was to rub on a current Duke recruit and to make it sound like Woods is some kind of saint just because he seems to think he has a sweet disposition. Woods is no different I imagine than most young players that has his head on straight, as most do. Read what he has to say showing the usual UNC Cheats venom and holler than thou attitude shown towards other conferences and the much superior schooling they receive at Cheats U. This man is one on the most anal and conceeded UNCheats there is and he makes a fool of himself over and over.
I haven't even seen Woods play and I already dislike him.
Holy hell that felt like I was reading a novel
 

DukeDenver

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All of my fellow Dukies must go the thread by dsouthr titled "7th woods, this is the player we are getting". He has written a very opinionated short story, about two chapters anyway, and his take on most of "the other than UNC recruits, or the other highly recruited basketball recruits UNC isn't getting and their selfishness, me first attitude and greedy actions that he says are typical I guess of the ones that don't choose to be a Tar Hole. His purpose in this story was to rub on a current Duke recruit and to make it sound like Woods is some kind of saint just because he seems to think he has a sweet disposition. Woods is no different I imagine than most young players that has his head on straight, as most do. Read what he has to say showing the usual UNC Cheats venom and holler than thou attitude shown towards other conferences and the much superior schooling they receive at Cheats U. This man is one on the most anal and conceeded UNCheats there is and he makes a fool of himself over and over.
I haven't even seen Woods play and I already dislike him.
Woods is a decent kid. Sadly, he was duped by a turd in a baby blue sports coat previously owned by Burt Reynolds.
 
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Mark Gastineau

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DSouthr is implying that Woods chose UNC because of some academic quality unique to UNC
If academics were Seventh's primary concern, he would have gone to Georgetown. DSouth is fooling himself with that nonsense.
Look at Harrison Barnes tonight. Pathetic
Bingo. He's a big part of the reason the Cavs won the series. Couldn't hit an open shot to save his life. It says a lot about you as a player when you're riding the bench in favor of Varejao.
 
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dukedevilz

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Barnes is dispensable. He's not a play-maker; he's not an alpha dog. 90% of the time he just sits in the corner and waits to shoot an uncontested three-pointer. Might as well save some money and get a lesser sought-after free agent, albeit someone who can knock down shots with more consistency like Jared Dudley or Anthony Morrow. Heck they could just as easily promote Brandon Rush to the starting position - he primarily the bench, but is more than capable of knocking down 40% of his threes.
 
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Varejao needs to go back to Brazil and play futebol, where flopping on every play is acceptable. Silver needs to address this with a rule change.

Also, LOL at Barnes. Worst time to start hucking up bricks.
 
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dukiejay

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Barnes is dispensable. He's not a play-maker; he's not an alpha dog. 90% of the time he just sits in the corner and waits to shoot an uncontested three-pointer. Might as well save some money and get a lesser sought-after free agent, albeit someone who can knock down shots with more consistency like Jared Dudley or Anthony Morrow. Heck they could just as easily promote Brandon Rush to the starting position - he primarily the bench, but is more than capable of knocking down 40% of his threes.

Barnes is a solid NBA player. He's not as good as some UNC fans think he is, but he's not as bad as what some here have painted him to be, either.

At best, he's the fourth-best player on a championship-caliber team. He could be the #2 or #3 on some teams....but they're likely not playing once regular season ends.
 
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^ He is a decent player, but I definitely agree with the notion that he is very, very replaceable for the Warriors. He doesn't do anything for them that a large number of others players couldn't do, even when he is playing well (which certainly did not occur this series).
 

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Barnes is a solid NBA player. He's not as good as some UNC fans think he is, but he's not as bad as what some here have painted him to be, either.

At best, he's the fourth-best player on a championship-caliber team. He could be the #2 or #3 on some teams....but they're likely not playing once regular season ends.

I agree with the overall sentiment. Perhaps my tone came off a bit negative, but my basic point was that he's not an absolute must-have for the Warriors. He's a good athlete with a decent outside shot; but judging by the way he's been utilized in Golden State, he can easily be replaced. Almost every team has a player or two that, for the most part, camps in the corner and waits for the open shot, and Barnes fills that role quite nicely. I would guess that he'll have more opportunities to have a starring role on a less prominent team, but he's never going to be a main cog for Golden State. GS can't afford to pay him $16 mil a year when they have Curry, Thompson, and Green making the lion's share of the plays. He is dispensable - shooters will always be available on the market, and for far less than what Barnes' asking price will be.
 
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I agree with the overall sentiment. Perhaps my tone came off a bit negative, but my basic point was that he's not an absolute must-have for the Warriors. He's a good athlete with a decent outside shot; but judging by the way he's been utilized in Golden State, he can easily be replaced. Almost every team has a player or two that, for the most part, camps in the corner and waits for the open shot, and Barnes fills that role quite nicely. I would guess that he'll have more opportunities to have a starring role on a less prominent team, but he's never going to be a main cog for Golden State. GS can't afford to pay him $16 mil a year when they have Curry, Thompson, and Green making the lion's share of the plays. He is dispensable - shooters will always be available on the market, and for far less than what Barnes' asking price will be.
I completely agree here. I got what you were saying- before the series I bought into the hype that barnes might come near max dollars. Well those days are long gone after the way he played this series and in particular the last three games going 5-32. And those weren't 32 contested shots, those were LARGELY wide open looks. Those are facts, not made up royal blue glasses look at it. He cost himself a boatload. And it's pretty much right after Gary stated that he was relishing the matchup with Kyrie....boy did that come back to bite them all in the ***. Kyrie goes on to make the shot of the series and vastly outplay the 2x mvp- he did so while barnes was absolute trash.

He probably wishes he took that deal last summer, but alas, everything happens for a reason and I think they will get rid of him because he's not worth the money they can't afford to pay him. He's a good player, he's not nearly as bad as his last three games, but they cost him. He'll be a #2 or #3 somewhere thats a contender- unless he just doesn't care about winning, and that is fine because it means he wants to get paid- I have zero problem with that. If he wants to go to a contender though, he'll have to take a paycut.
 

skysdad

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Barnes is a solid NBA player. He's not as good as some UNC fans think he is, but he's not as bad as what some here have painted him to be, either.

At best, he's the fourth-best player on a championship-caliber team. He could be the #2 or #3 on some teams....but they're likely not playing once regular season ends.

You speak once again as one of the most sensible members of this board and harrison barnes is one of the best former tar heels in the NBA right now. He actually may be the best. I wish he didn't play for G.S. I know it sounds like sour grapes but I can't get over the way he treated Coach K and the process of his recruitment then had the balls to suggest that Coach K would want him on our U.S. Olympic team because of their close relationship. That's just pure arrogance to me. He may very well indeed be the greatest person in the NBA but I have no use for him. the black falcon. Give me a break. :rolleyes: OFC
 
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gottagonow

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Barnes is a solid NBA player. He's not as good as some UNC fans think he is, but he's not as bad as what some here have painted him to be, either.

At best, he's the fourth-best player on a championship-caliber team. He could be the #2 or #3 on some teams....but they're likely not playing once regular season ends.
dukiejay you hit the nail on the head, he is not anywhere nearly as good as some on thr praise him to be. I know we had this same discussion last year in the playoffs but again I don't think he is a 2 or a 3 player on any NBA team. Look at that particular teams roster and who will you take the 2 or 3 slot away from to give him. He did play better in last seasons playoffs but there are some really better players in those slots on practically all teams.
He has nice fundementals that he learned in HS but as you can tell I think he leaves much to be desired as a 2 or 3. Like chappehelled would say, this in IMO only.
 
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If he wants to go to a contender though, he'll have to take a paycut.

He's only making $3.8 million this year. He'll make $15 million at worst next season. In what universe is that a paycut? If you mean he'll have to take less than what the Warriors offered last summer, maybe but I still doubt that. But here are some articles that disagree that Barnes is trash.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/evanmas...rison-barnes-in-nba-free-agency/#4c8e8c797eee

http://www.lakersnation.com/nba-rum...tch-any-offer-for-harrison-barnes/2016/06/11/

http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/20...olden-state-warriors-harrison-barnes-x-factor