Umm, I also provided facts. I like them too. I guess we can all find facts to support our point of view. But when he signs his contract, I guess I'll be right and you'll all be wrong. because apparently some team found him to be valuable. But please, carry on with your Harrison Barnes bashing.
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Umm, I also provided facts. I like them too. I guess we can all find facts to support our point of view. But when he signs his contract, I guess I'll be right and you'll all be wrong. because apparently some team found him to be valuable. But please, carry on with your Harrison Barnes bashing.
You haven't heard of him, so the numbers are wrong? Outstanding logic. Do you recognize anybody else in the top-10? Steph Curry, Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, Lebron James, Chris Paul, Kawhi Leonard, James Harden, Anthony Davis? Sounds like a bunch of hacks to me....
Are you blind? The explanation is literally on the bottom of the webpage.
Your message board debating skills suck. No where in my poast did I say "the numbers were wrong". But I know you like to put words in people's mouths. Yes, I also noticed that Carl Landry and Cole Aldrich are also highly ranked. I'm sure you talk about their play in the same way you talk about Curry's, LeBron's and KD's.
How profound.
No, you just brought up the ranking of a player you have never heard of before questioning how the rankings were calculated (all the while overlooking the explanation of how the rankings were calculated at the bottom of the page).
Does anybody else see the irony in these two sentences?
Ok, and your point is? Again, the rankings are based on a methodology that is explained on the website. God forbid the rankings adhere to the methodology. That's just crazy!
Sorry. I was going with eFG%. I had already referenced that once and I just thought it might be assumed. My bad.
Are you pretending that you are looking at the situation objectively?
You are confusing "Barnes bashing" with people making the seemingly obvious point that he isn't elite and probably isn't in the tier just below that. Is anything other than glowing praise bashing to you?
That methodology has it's own flaws and I'm not the only one that thinks so. Ask Charles Barkley and other NBAers who don't subscribe to those advanced analytics because they don't take certain things into account such as game situations (is player X taking shots in blowout situations, etc).
The hilarious part about all of this is the fact that Barnes is the closest thing UNC has to a NBA star, and will be for the foreseeable future.
I haven't called Barnes elite on this board or the UNC board. So I'm not sure what your point is. I'm simply squashing the notion that "he's garbage" (and that's a direct quote from a poaster in this thread).
Discrediting actual numbers to prove your guy is more efficient than he really is? How objective.
Yeah, well, I also used numbers to prove he wasn't as inefficient as some were making him out to be. So yeah, that's pretty objective.
Got it. Numbers that fit your opinion are ok. Numbers that actually disprove your opinion are not because Charles Barkley doesn't believe in them.
This all sounds super objective to me.
Well, only until Kendall Marshall starts playing like the top-50 all time NBA players that he truly is. Isn't that right, @skysdad?
You conveniently placed his effective field goal percentage as his actual shooting percentage? That seems reasonable... I wasn't using any opinions, grades, or assessments. I simply stated he was not an efficient player according to the PER rankings. He was in the 33rd percentile. That's a fact, not an opinion.
Again, all I provided were facts. Hard to digest? Barnes is a nice player, I'm not disputing that. He will get a very lucrative contract, I'm also not disputing that. But as I said in another thread, he is dispensable to Golden State. They can easily find another athlete with an average/above average outside shot. He's not a play-maker, he's not an alpha dog. On a lesser team I suppose he could average 16-18 ppg - but I would also expect his field goal percentages to drop a bit. Curry/Thompson/Green demand so much attention that he is often left wide open. I would be willing to bet he has the highest percentage of open-looks among all the starters in the NBA.
The point of my original post was not to state whether Barnes was a good player or not, but simply to dispute your claim that he was "a pretty efficient player." Questioning the statistical model that lists Carl Landry and Cole Aldrich as efficient players is highly irrelevant to the point of contention I'm making. I'm not debating whether Barnes, or Landry, or anyone is a great player. I'm debating whether or not Barnes is an efficient player. According to the data found in the player efficiency ratings, he is not. Simple as that.
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But there is other data that would suggest he is a fairly efficient player.
Great. So we agree. Well done.
Please enlighten us again with this "objective" evidence that conveniently supports your subjective position.
Why isn't he? I showed how Butler in Chicago was in a similar situation and was less efficient and was given more opportunities and has excelled. So why isn't Barnes capable of the same thing? Barnes was higher ranked in high school. He was more proven and productive in college and IMO, he's every bit the athlete that Butler is. So why can't Barnes make that jump with more opportunities? If you want to say that it's simply a gut feeling, then fine. I can live with that. But what I'm saying is there no evidence that would suggest there's no way Barnes improves to that level. You're making it sound so cut and dried.
Sounds like a great speculative question for the THR board. I don't think too many people over here give a fat fart sickle on how good Barnes could potentially be.
Based on the length of this discussion, I disagree.
Well, you clearly have a propensity for being wrong, that much is evident today.
I think gunslinger has a point about Barnes and getting an opportunity to progress. He won't get that in GS. Klay and Curry are there for a reason and Barnes will never be better than them while they are all in their prime. However if he was to go to a team that needed a scorer, he could do some more things than he has been "allowed" to do in GS. Butler is a good example however i have a better one. I. Thomas for the Celtics. He was a pretty good role player for Sacramento and for Phoenix. However he was given the keys so to speak in Boston, and in his first full season....made an all star game and proved he was worth the chance. While I am not sure what Barnes ceiling is, if he has more opportunity, i think he can be a top 2 option for a team. Maybe even a playoff team should it shake out well and he has a good supporting cast. JMO
I don't know that "Well, Jimmy Butler did it" is necessarily a good predictor for what Barnes will do. What has Barnes himself done to predict a big jump? Butler is probably more the exception than the rule, as a guy who averaged 2 points a game as a rookie, and was averaging 20 by year 4.
And again, you seem to think that anyone not contending he is a rocket ship pointing north is bashing him. I think he is a decent player, I just don't see a member of a "big three" on a contending team there.Time will shake all this out.
mark actually they are waiting for big Luke to turn pro
Any sniping at DSucker or Gary lately? I always love seeing that.
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Appealing to authority is a logical fallacy as it is. But when your authority is Charles Barkley, of all people, that's when you lose your thinking privileges!
You do have to temper these expectations wit the realization that Luke is having so much fun in his Swahili classes that he wil forgo his multimillion dollar contract to fully realize his collegiate experience
This is rustling a few jimmies over at Rupp Rafters. Truth definitely does hurt sometimes....lol.
https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/...ers-and-has-been-doing-this-for-years.197454/
https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/...ers-and-has-been-doing-this-for-years.197454/
And Jay Williams trolling the hell out of the paranoid UK fanboys.
https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threads/jay-williams-trashing-murray.197331/
https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/threads/jay-williams-trashing-murray.197331/
And just think. We don't even need to go lurking over at thr to see his and others poast. They are on a roll right in our own front yard.
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