Favorite THR Quotes....

[dukedevilz]

Here's part of an exchange I had with the honorable DSouthr regarding Brandon Robinson's high school stats. Maybe I'm nit-picking a bit, but I don't think so. Since when is 23 ppg, 5 reb, and 4 assists considered as "nearly averaging a triple double"?
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DS: The kid nearly averaged a triple double in that season, again, I don't care what the competition was, that is something special.

Me: Where are you pulling your stats from? The only thing I could find on him was from maxpreps, which admittedly isn't always right. The stats on maxpreps show 23 ppg, 5 reb, 4 ast, 2 steals. Great stats nonetheless, but not exactly triple-double stats. I'd be curious though if there are official stats out there that indicate he does indeed have slightly better averages.

DS: On IC they had a poster that shared stats after each game for ALL of our commits that were updated every week during their last season. I noticed how many of his games where he nearly had triple doubles, you can't look at season stats and see that because a couple games where the assists or rebounds were not what he usually got and the stats skew. But the thing I watched was the game by game more so than the compiled for the whole season. (my thought: the stats skew?? that's what makes up averages. you have good games and bad games. 5 rebounds and 4 assists is reflective of his averages, not games where he almost got a triple double)

Me: You said he nearly averaged a triple-double. I imagine every HS player in America averaging double figures, 5+ rebounds, and 4+ assists comes close to an occasional triple double. There's a big difference between those stats and Denzel Valentine/Kyle Collinsworth type numbers.

DS: Look boss, I told you where I got the info that framed my opinion, I was not looking at that info (high school averages), matter of fact have not since the season ended. I really don't care what you think of what I said, it was not intended for you in the first place.

 

[KellenPatrick]

Here's part of an exchange I had with the honorable DSouthr regarding Brandon Robinson's high school stats. Maybe I'm nit-picking a bit, but I don't think so. Since when is 23 ppg, 5 reb, and 4 assists considered as "nearly averaging a triple double"?
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DS: The kid nearly averaged a triple double in that season, again, I don't care what the competition was, that is something special.

Me: Where are you pulling your stats from? The only thing I could find on him was from maxpreps, which admittedly isn't always right. The stats on maxpreps show 23 ppg, 5 reb, 4 ast, 2 steals. Great stats nonetheless, but not exactly triple-double stats. I'd be curious though if there are official stats out there that indicate he does indeed have slightly better averages.

DS: On IC they had a poster that shared stats after each game for ALL of our commits that were updated every week during their last season. I noticed how many of his games where he nearly had triple doubles, you can't look at season stats and see that because a couple games where the assists or rebounds were not what he usually got and the stats skew. But the thing I watched was the game by game more so than the compiled for the whole season. (my thought: the stats skew?? that's what makes up averages. you have good games and bad games. 5 rebounds and 4 assists is reflective of his averages, not games where he almost got a triple double)

Me: You said he nearly averaged a triple-double. I imagine every HS player in America averaging double figures, 5+ rebounds, and 4+ assists comes close to an occasional triple double. There's a big difference between those stats and Denzel Valentine/Kyle Collinsworth type numbers.

DS: Look boss, I told you where I got the info that framed my opinion, I was not looking at that info (high school averages), matter of fact have not since the season ended. I really don't care what you think of what I said, it was not intended for you in the first place.

What a pathetic moron that clown is. Wow.

 

[KellenPatrick]

Son of Saul over at RR. This is his response in a thread about Romeo Langford. Someone had the gall to say they believe he is Duke bound and this goofball got a bit testy. Lol. Another guy with direct inside knowledge of K's every thought...

"The geriatric Coach K has been selling every one of these classes on being his "last title team" before he retires. Of course, what he hasn't been telling them is that he doesn't plan on retiring. His ego won't allow him to. Coaching is all he knows or understands. Spending time with grandchildren, his wife, or traveling the world be damned, he's got two good balls that still need slurping on from the media.

At some point, the elites have to ask themselves if they want to play for a coach who goes to bed at 9PM or not. Maybe they do, but I'm not sure K will continue recruiting at this level if he keeps it up into his 70s, even if he had the world's best assistant coaches."

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

Son of Saul over at RR. This is his response in a thread about Romeo Langford. Someone had the gall to say they believe he is Duke bound and this goofball got a bit testy. Lol. Another guy with direct inside knowledge of K's every thought...

"The geriatric Coach K has been selling every one of these classes on being his "last title team" before he retires. Of course, what he hasn't been telling them is that he doesn't plan on retiring. His ego won't allow him to. Coaching is all he knows or understands. Spending time with grandchildren, his wife, or traveling the world be damned, he's got two good balls that still need slurping on from the media.

At some point, the elites have to ask themselves if they want to play for a coach who goes to bed at 9PM or not. Maybe they do, but I'm not sure K will continue recruiting at this level if he keeps it up into his 70s, even if he had the world's best assistant coaches."

Most of our games don't start till 9PM. So there goes that.

 

[timo0402]

Son of Saul over at RR. This is his response in a thread about Romeo Langford. Someone had the gall to say they believe he is Duke bound and this goofball got a bit testy. Lol. Another guy with direct inside knowledge of K's every thought...

"The geriatric Coach K has been selling every one of these classes on being his "last title team" before he retires. Of course, what he hasn't been telling them is that he doesn't plan on retiring. His ego won't allow him to. Coaching is all he knows or understands. Spending time with grandchildren, his wife, or traveling the world be damned, he's got two good balls that still need slurping on from the media.

At some point, the elites have to ask themselves if they want to play for a coach who goes to bed at 9PM or not. Maybe they do, but I'm not sure K will continue recruiting at this level if he keeps it up into his 70s, even if he had the world's best assistant coaches."

That is some kind of special. Hope there are no sharp objects in the house.

 

[KellenPatrick]

Archer stating how "glad" he is that Roy refuses to go down the OAD path. Loll, more of the usual over there.

 

[KellenPatrick]

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This is going to sound cliché, but I miss the days where kids played for the school and not for themselves. I'll never say we shouldn't try and get OAD recruits, but this new era of recruiting sucks from a traditional standpoint.


"Amen. His attitude exemplifies why I don't want to see UNC go down the path dook and UK have, with OAD's coming and going every year."

 

[DukeDenver]

Son of Saul over at RR. This is his response in a thread about Romeo Langford. Someone had the gall to say they believe he is Duke bound and this goofball got a bit testy. Lol. Another guy with direct inside knowledge of K's every thought...

"The geriatric Coach K has been selling every one of these classes on being his "last title team" before he retires. Of course, what he hasn't been telling them is that he doesn't plan on retiring. His ego won't allow him to. Coaching is all he knows or understands. Spending time with grandchildren, his wife, or traveling the world be damned, he's got two good balls that still need slurping on from the media.

At some point, the elites have to ask themselves if they want to play for a coach who goes to bed at 9PM or not. Maybe they do, but I'm not sure K will continue recruiting at this level if he keeps it up into his 70s, even if he had the world's best assistant coaches."

It's remarkable that humans will interpret the world around them based on which interpretation is most convenient or least painful at that very moment. Rather we should make clear observations and rationalize our judgements based on the real data. The human mind can make any interpretation "real" if the perceived rewards are great enough.

 

[KellenPatrick]

Good 'ole gunslingerdick. Umm, yeah, fool, the kid is talking like that because, as you yourself said, he isn't even close to a one and done. And yeah, if you were Roy he would stop recruiting Carter. Yeah, because you know you are NOT getting him so move on.....LOL. What buffoons over there.

"I agree with that sentiment wholeheartedly. I'm not saying we should never go after a OAD player. But I would prefer a guy that at least acts like he has some investment in the school/program and acts like he wants to be there rather than acting like it's a bothersome 8 month delay for him getting to the NBA.

For example - and I know this isn't apples to apples as BRob isn't a OAD caliber player - but check out these quotes of his when asked about starting his career at Carolina.

"I'm just looking forward to the college experience," Robinson said. "I'm looking forward to meeting new people and going to a great school like North Carolina. It's a blessing to be able to play for such a great program."

Wow...a player looking to have a college experience? WTF is wrong with that guy? More:

"I know they want to get back so I can come in and work hard and compete with them. They want to get back there and I want to help them do that."

What? No mention of how he can personally and individually benefit from attending Carolina? That's weird.

Lastly:

"I think my role as a freshman is just to come in and play hard and knock down open shots. On the defensive end I want to use my length to get into the passing lanes and lock down. That is one of the biggest things I am focusing on in coming in --- just picking up the defensive strategy and fundamentals fast and what they like to do. On the offensive end I just want to play my game, take my open shots and be aggressive."

"The coaches have been telling me that they are looking forward to getting me there and working with me," he added.

Your role as a freshman? You mean to tell me that you don't think you're going to come in and have all the shots you want? Also, what are you doing referencing "what they like to do"? This is your world BRob, those upperclassmen are just happy to be living in it. If you don't think like that, the school is just going to "use you."

http://northcarolina.247sports.com/...inal-Four-next-year-that-is-the-goal-45798671

The more I think about Carter's comment the worse it gets for me. If I'm Roy, I'd stop recruiting him. Roy won't do that and we're not going to sign him anyway. But I have no desire for guys like that to be playing in our program...for 8 months."

 

[skysdad]

What happened to all those thr guys that stopped by here a few days ago. It was like an organized mass invasion on this thread and then they were gone. OFC

 

[dukiejay]

I think they're clearly taking what Carter said out of context (I actually agree with....gulp....gary). He was never going to go to UNC anyway....so if they start saying now that they don't want him then fine.

As far as Brandon Robinson, we can find the same kind of quotes from Javin. Robinson and Javin aren't going to be one-and-done and will probably struggle to find immediate minutes. Their situation is completely different. To be successful they need to take the approach they have.

 

[HuffyJB]

I think they're clearly taking what Carter said out of context (I actually agree with....gulp....gary).

Oh DJ, say it ain't so!

 

[Bdon127]

I think my favorite thing going on over there right now is people asking ol' Gary to compare their recruit Andrew Platek (who hasn't even committed) to Grayson Allen and Luke Kennard, and Gary doing his best to equate a 3-star (174th ranked) player to two 5-stars...

 

[dukedevilz]

But he averaged 11.7 ppg and shot 37% on 3PA. You're telling me that's not Grayson-esque? I mean they're both white guys with similar stature. Who else would we compare him to?

 

[KellenPatrick]

DSouthr spending to that gunslingerdick post concerning how great it is to see a kid like Robinson talk about just wanting to go to a school and enjoy the experience. Ha, again, wtf else would the kid say?? Pretty easy when you know you have no chance at being a one and done.

"Slanger, THANK YOU FOR POSTING THAT! That is what I LOVE to see from our incoming freshmen, a kid that just wants to enjoy the college experience and allow his coaches to do what they do. That is a TAR HEEL kid right there!

This thread also mentions PJ Washington, that kid is a Tar Heel kid as well and one I really hope Roy can get locked in! I love his game but I love his attitude even more. Read an interview with him this morning where he says he isn't looking to join any package deal, that he just wants to come to a program and compete with who ever is there, no fear, wants to get better as a player and will do what ever he needs to in order to help his team win. That is the kind of kid I love and that ain't no lie!"

 

[Mark Gastineau]

Wow, @dukedevilz made DSouth have a meltdown over there in the Brandon Robinson thread. DSouth initially said that Robinson "nearly averaged a triple double." @dukedevilz pointed out he averaged 23 points, 5 rebounds, and 4 assists per game. DSouth lost his mind, including going after another UNC fan, before culminating with "Chuck, hear me close here, I was not in any way trying to pad stats or make the kid look any better than what he is."

Uh, what? That's exactly what he did. Robinson's average stat line is nowhere close to a triple double.

 

[topps coach]

Grayson averaged 19.3 pts/game his Junior season in high school. Perfect comparison.

How dare you peer behind the curtain of the great wizard gary 7.After reading his assessment that Platek is a better athlete and Shooter than JJ we can only pray that he does not commit to them.If he does we need to cancel our games until he goes to his future NBA hof career

 

[KellenPatrick]

Wow, @dukedevilz made DSouth have a meltdown over there in the Brandon Robinson thread. DSouth initially said that Robinson "nearly averaged a triple double." @dukedevilz pointed out he averaged 23 points, 5 rebounds, and 4 assists per game. DSouth lost his mind, including going after another UNC fan, before culminating with "Chuck, hear me close here, I was not in any way trying to pad stats or make the kid look any better than what he is."

Uh, what? That's exactly what he did. Robinson's average stat line is nowhere close to a triple double.

He, like most over there, is a total clown.

 

[KellenPatrick]

Looks like UK fans are no longer interested in Wendell Carter. Yep, they don't want a kid with his attitude and some suggest Cal will probably even back off now because he doesn't mess around with kids like him. Lolll.

https://kentucky.forums.rivals.com/...er-says-neither-uk-nor-duke-is-on-top.196332/

 

[gunslingerdick]

I think they're clearly taking what Carter said out of context (I actually agree with....gulp....gary). He was never going to go to UNC anyway....so if they start saying now that they don't want him then fine.

As far as Brandon Robinson, we can find the same kind of quotes from Javin. Robinson and Javin aren't going to be one-and-done and will probably struggle to find immediate minutes. Their situation is completely different. To be successful they need to take the approach they have.

First of all, there is no "they". It's just me. I was the one quoted so don't project my views on others. I don't speak for THR, gary or anyone else and I don't give a **** if the masses agree or disagree with my feelings.

If you can find one poast anywhere on the internets where I said I wanted Carter, I'll eat my hat. You won't find it. But you will find many poasts in my history where I've admonished the type of demeanor expressed by Carter with that quote (as well as other OAD caliber players that exhibit the same "what can you do for me" mentality). I left room in my statements for the possibility of me taking the quote out of context when I said "I hope I see something on Carter at some point that erases his statement from my mind". But even if it was taken out of context (although I'd need someone to explain what he might have really meant), he's not as thoughtful of a young man as I had heard him to be because he absolutely butchered expressing the more appropriate thought when he said what he said. So there's absolutely nothing inconsistent with my feelings on the type of players I enjoy having come through Carolina and the type of kids that I root for in general in any walk of life. I've expressed my disdain for the the OAD rule, the current AAU/high school basketball recruiting culture and entitled young people in general.

You also stated, "to be successful (kids like Robinson) need to take the approach they have". You're exactly right. And I admire that approach. That's the type of approach I like. That's the approach that endeared me to college athletics when I started following them. It's the approach 90% of kids had (yes, even the blue chippers) throughout most of my college sports watching life. So it stands to reason that by and large, I'm going to like kids that take that approach to be successful. Yet you and many others here heckle that as if that's not worthy of support ("haha, look at them getting all excited about a player ranked 174. Those guys are so stupid, hahahaha"). When in reality, my stance is more easily respected than overlooking bratty and entitled behavior because a kid may be a good basketball player and you want him to play for your team. In other words, the notion that my stance would be laughed at is more indicative of those laughing at it than of me or others that might feel the same way.

I've made it very clear where I stand on the recruitment of OAD caliber players and I have not wavered on that opinion at any time. I'm sure y'all will continue to ride my jock and others that poast at THR for the comments we make. But just realize that your assumptions are completely baseless (at least some of the time - more specifically when it involves me) and this thread then moves away from "quotes" and closer to "I just want to make up funny **** about THR poasters". But please, carry on.

 

[dukedevilz]

Wow, @dukedevilz made DSouth have a meltdown over there in the Brandon Robinson thread. DSouth initially said that Robinson "nearly averaged a triple double." @dukedevilz pointed out he averaged 23 points, 5 rebounds, and 4 assists per game. DSouth lost his mind, including going after another UNC fan, before culminating with "Chuck, hear me close here, I was not in any way trying to pad stats or make the kid look any better than what he is."

Uh, what? That's exactly what he did. Robinson's average stat line is nowhere close to a triple double.

I wasn't even trying to troll - just asking if there were more complete stats available; but it was hilarious to see him overreact once we called him out for his inconsistencies. The guy said he nearly averaged a triple double. His claim is that the numbers in the game logs were pretty close to getting a triple double. And yet we find out that only TWICE during the whole season did Robinson have 7+ rebounds and 7+ assists in the same game.

He got a little sensitive when I came after him a little bit. I said, " You said he nearly averaged a triple-double. I imagine every HS player in America averaging double figures, 5+ rebounds, and 4+ assists comes close to an occasional triple double. There's a big difference between those stats and Denzel Valentine/Kyle Collinsworth type numbers."

His fellow UNC fan got on his case for the same thing I pointed out earlier. Is it a big deal? No, not really. But calling someone out who's trying to pass off facts to prove a point is more than warranted IMO. DS himself showed his ignorance on Robinson's numbers when he said, " I was not looking at that info, matter of fact have not since the season ended."

 

[BOOGIEMAN1914]

I see the Carter statement a bit differently....most kids are taken advantage of to some degree.....he said he is going to use the school for his betterment...using the school could mean taking advantage of all it has to offer...coaching facilities experience conference.....all in which will prepare him for his next decision...

 

[denniden]

I see the Carter statement a bit differently....most kids are taken advantage of to some degree.....he said he is going to use the school for his betterment...using the school could mean taking advantage of all it has to offer...coaching facilities experience conference.....all in which will prepare him for his next decision...

All kids should "use" the school they attend. It is why they are there. To better themselves as individuals.

 

[Mark Gastineau]

All kids should "use" the school they attend. It is why they are there. To better themselves as individuals.

Bingo, and that applies to regular students as well. Why wouldn't someone take advantage of the opportunities available, especially at a place like Duke, and set themselves up for an even brighter future? I don't understand how someone could argue the alternative.

 

[timo0402]

First of all, there is no "they". It's just me. I was the one quoted so don't project my views on others. I don't speak for THR, gary or anyone else and I don't give a **** if the masses agree or disagree with my feelings.

If you can find one poast anywhere on the internets where I said I wanted Carter, I'll eat my hat. You won't find it. But you will find many poasts in my history where I've admonished the type of demeanor expressed by Carter with that quote (as well as other OAD caliber players that exhibit the same "what can you do for me" mentality). I left room in my statements for the possibility of me taking the quote out of context when I said "I hope I see something on Carter at some point that erases his statement from my mind". But even if it was taken out of context (although I'd need someone to explain what he might have really meant), he's not as thoughtful of a young man as I had heard him to be because he absolutely butchered expressing the more appropriate thought when he said what he said. So there's absolutely nothing inconsistent with my feelings on the type of players I enjoy having come through Carolina and the type of kids that I root for in general in any walk of life. I've expressed my disdain for the the OAD rule, the current AAU/high school basketball recruiting culture and entitled young people in general.

You also stated, "to be successful (kids like Robinson) need to take the approach they have". You're exactly right. And I admire that approach. That's the type of approach I like. That's the approach that endeared me to college athletics when I started following them. It's the approach 90% of kids had (yes, even the blue chippers) throughout most of my college sports watching life. So it stands to reason that by and large, I'm going to like kids that take that approach to be successful. Yet you and many others here heckle that as if that's not worthy of support ("haha, look at them getting all excited about a player ranked 174. Those guys are so stupid, hahahaha"). When in reality, my stance is more easily respected than overlooking bratty and entitled behavior because a kid may be a good basketball player and you want him to play for your team. In other words, the notion that my stance would be laughed at is more indicative of those laughing at it than of me or others that might feel the same way.

I've made it very clear where I stand on the recruitment of OAD caliber players and I have not wavered on that opinion at any time. I'm sure y'all will continue to ride my jock and others that poast at THR for the comments we make. But just realize that your assumptions are completely baseless (at least some of the time - more specifically when it involves me) and this thread then moves away from "quotes" and closer to "I just want to make up funny **** about THR poasters". But please, carry on.

You're really sensationalizing what kids do "now" vs. what they did "then". You say that "90%" of kids even the blue chippers had the attitude that Robinson has. What is different? Are you suggesting that if you're a OAD in 2010s that you're not capable of having bought into the school you choose? I'll use an example just because I saw it today- Jahill Okafor is at duke taking classes, doing rehab, working out with the guys, hanging out with former players and coaches. He could rehab and practice/workout anywhere. He chose to do it at Duke. Are you telling me he doesn't count? Or is he not as genuine because he was a OAD as kids before him who were not as gifted? Pretty sure he went through the same recruiting process- vetting programs and searching for the best program and school for him.

Is it more endearing if you leave after your Junior year instead of your soph year? Are those guys more bought in? Or is it just the case that they just weren't good enough, or their stock may not have been at it's highest so they stayed? There's a lot of reasons why people leave early and when they leave early. I'm pretty sure 99% of kids who leave early aren't doing it to spite their school of choice, but because they are trying to get to the league as quickly as they can because, right or (IMO) wrong this day in age favors kids coming out early. Those are the rules- don't take it out on the kids because you don't think they're as "endearing" because they choose to go early.

There's a huge difference between growing "attached" (kind of creepy) to a player that stays 4 years vs. a OAD, and preemptively saying ahead of time before they commit knowing Player A is a multi year guy and Player B is a OAD; that you wish you had more attitudes like player A. That's very convenient. Sure, we got to see more of Quinn Cook than Tyus. Quinn's story to a Duke fan is amazing- we saw the trials and tribulations. We only got Tyus for one year- he as sure as **** was bought more into Duke than Quinn was during the recruiting process- so where do we stand now? Does that mean that Quinn is part of that 10% you speak of and Tyus is part of the 90%? Can kids actually grow and mature and run their own race? Is that allowed?

Finally, in my DSouth rant here, no one is mocking the "support" of a lesser player/recruit- we support Vrank, Jack White and others before him that don't get much burn. What they're mocking is the suggestion that those guys are the next Ty Lawson and Tyler Hansbrough because their not in the same stratosphere.

 

[gunslingerdick]

You're really sensationalizing what kids do "now" vs. what they did "then". You say that "90%" of kids even the blue chippers had the attitude that Robinson has. What is different?
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What's different is an entitled attitude that today's society and more specifically, the current AAU climate has enabled and promoted. I think I already said that.

Are you suggesting that if you're a OAD in 2010s that you're not capable of having bought into the school you choose?

I'm not saying they're incapable. I'm saying it rarely happens today and it frequently happened in years past.

I'll use an example just because I saw it today- Jahill Okafor is at duke taking classes, doing rehab, working out with the guys, hanging out with former players and coaches. He could rehab and practice/workout anywhere. He chose to do it at Duke.

Good for him?

. Are you telling me he doesn't count? Or is he not as genuine because he was a OAD as kids before him who were not as gifted? Pretty sure he went through the same recruiting process- vetting programs and searching for the best program and school for him.

Count for what? And yes, I think kids that are OAD material are not as genuine in their love for whatever program they choose. That's precisely what I'm saying. Maybe not in 100% of cases but I'll go with "the great majority".

Is it more endearing if you leave after your Junior year instead of your soph year? Are those guys more bought in?

Yes and yes. Maybe they don't wish to be but their circumstances have forced them to be. But that's an extreme way of putting it because I don't think you can name 5 players in college basketball history that would say, "those were the worst 4 years of my life" (cue the Rashad McCants jokes). In other words, when guys' circumstances prevent them from running out the door as quickly as they came in, it's my belief that they come to grips with their situation and decide to buy in whole hog. Hence, my affinity for multi year players versus the quick stops.

I'm pretty sure 99% of kids who leave early aren't doing it to spite their school of choice, but because they are trying to get to the league as quickly as they can because, right or (IMO) wrong this day in age favors kids coming out early. .

I'm sure there are many reasons. And I'm not talking about true hardship cases where a parent has an illness and the kid has to get some dough so mom won't die. I'm talking about an attitude that I think is prevalent with OAD kids that "let me get through this one year of college before I can start stacking my cheddar."

Those are the rules- don't take it out on the kids because you don't think they're as "endearing" because they choose to go early.
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Ok. So those are the rules. I don't have to like it. And while the kids themselves aren't my first mark (slimy AAU basketball coaches would be first and the NBA would be second), they're still on the list of things I find wrong with the whole process. These kids are old enough to make the decision on where they want to play. So, IMO, they're old enough to make the decision to buy in at a high level for what the school is doing for them. Because let's not get it twisted. Most of these guys have a future of bagging groceries (at best) if they weren't good ball players. Schools give them a chance to showcase their skills to make themselves attractive hires for outrageously lucrative careers. In addition, they get the best coaching, the best facilities and generally, the best guidance to put themselves in a position to be as overpaid as they are. All for free. Sure, they're making money for the school. But so what. If it wasn't them making money for the school it would be another kid. I want kids to be thankful for the opportunity. Not to make comments that would lead someone to believe it's all about them. Me personally, I like answers like, "I just want to fit in with my team and help us be as good as we can be." or "I'm just grateful to have been awarded a scholarship to such an esteemed university and such a great basketball program. It's really humbling."

There's a huge difference between growing "attached" (kind of creepy) to a player that stays 4 years vs. a OAD, .

Wait...so now it's creepy to admire and celebrate a kids' growth and maturation process over a 4 year career? That looks like something I'd read on the UK board.

There's a huge difference between growing "attached" (kind of creepy) to a player that stays 4 years vs. a OAD, and preemptively saying ahead of time before they commit knowing Player A is a multi year guy and Player B is a OAD; that you wish you had more attitudes like player A. That's very convenient. .

Maybe it seems that way to you just like it might seem sad to me that grown men jump at the chance to celebrate a kid that plans to spend no more than 8 months on the campus of the team you root for just because he's a good ball player. Neither of those are probably the case with me or you or many that frequent the boards but it's funny how you and I can have different perspectives on how our respective teams do things based on the rivalry.

We only got Tyus for one year- he as sure as **** was bought more into Duke than Quinn was during the recruiting process- so where do we stand now? Does that mean that Quinn is part of that 10% you speak of and Tyus is part of the 90%? Can kids actually grow and mature and run their own race? Is that allowed?

I don't really get what you're saying here. But it would seem impossible for me to believe though that in your mind, Tyus Jones is more of the reason you watch college basketball than Quinn Cook is. If so, I obviously missed the mark in my assessment of you.

Finally, in my DSouth rant here, no one is mocking the "support" of a lesser player/recruit- we support Vrank, Jack White and others before him that don't get much burn. What they're mocking is the suggestion that those guys are the next Ty Lawson and Tyler Hansbrough because their not in the same stratosphere.

How the hell do you know they won't be that? And if they're not, why would you give a **** if a UNC fan was holding onto the hope that they might be? And is hope, in general, coupled with the unknown something that you mock frequently in all situations or just when it relates to Carolina basketball?

 

[dukiejay]

First of all, there is no "they". It's just me. I was the one quoted so don't project my views on others. I don't speak for THR, gary or anyone else and I don't give a **** if the masses agree or disagree with my feelings.

If you can find one poast anywhere on the internets where I said I wanted Carter, I'll eat my hat. You won't find it. But you will find many poasts in my history where I've admonished the type of demeanor expressed by Carter with that quote (as well as other OAD caliber players that exhibit the same "what can you do for me" mentality). I left room in my statements for the possibility of me taking the quote out of context when I said "I hope I see something on Carter at some point that erases his statement from my mind". But even if it was taken out of context (although I'd need someone to explain what he might have really meant), he's not as thoughtful of a young man as I had heard him to be because he absolutely butchered expressing the more appropriate thought when he said what he said. So there's absolutely nothing inconsistent with my feelings on the type of players I enjoy having come through Carolina and the type of kids that I root for in general in any walk of life. I've expressed my disdain for the the OAD rule, the current AAU/high school basketball recruiting culture and entitled young people in general.

You also stated, "to be successful (kids like Robinson) need to take the approach they have". You're exactly right. And I admire that approach. That's the type of approach I like. That's the approach that endeared me to college athletics when I started following them. It's the approach 90% of kids had (yes, even the blue chippers) throughout most of my college sports watching life. So it stands to reason that by and large, I'm going to like kids that take that approach to be successful. Yet you and many others here heckle that as if that's not worthy of support ("haha, look at them getting all excited about a player ranked 174. Those guys are so stupid, hahahaha"). When in reality, my stance is more easily respected than overlooking bratty and entitled behavior because a kid may be a good basketball player and you want him to play for your team. In other words, the notion that my stance would be laughed at is more indicative of those laughing at it than of me or others that might feel the same way.

I've made it very clear where I stand on the recruitment of OAD caliber players and I have not wavered on that opinion at any time. I'm sure y'all will continue to ride my jock and others that poast at THR for the comments we make. But just realize that your assumptions are completely baseless (at least some of the time - more specifically when it involves me) and this thread then moves away from "quotes" and closer to "I just want to make up funny **** about THR poasters". But please, carry on.

You had the initial post and others followed up in agreeing with you. Among those others a few posters who as recently as in the last 24 hours were enamored with Carter. My post wasn't really directed on you as much as to the posts after you.

Certainly I could be wrong on Carter, but from following his recruitment as closely as I have, I took what he said to mean he's weighing all factors and making it sure it's not just good for the school, but also the best personal decision for him. I don't think he wants promises of playing time (quite frankly, he won't need them....wherever he ends up he's immediately one of the best players on that team's roster), I don't think he wants a pass academically, and I don't think he views his time at the school as a one year thing. He wants to be a part of the program as a whole.

As for Robinson, trust me, I agree with you. If I could snap my fingers to make college basketball go back to the way it used to be I would. But it's not happening. What we have is what we're forced to deal with. How you love kids like Robinson is no different than how I loved kids like Scheyer, N. Smith, T. Thornton and more. Besides, I didn't heckle anything about your support of Robinson....now you're doing to me what you claimed I did to you.

Lastly....I agree on making stuff up that's on THR. We don't have to do that.

 

[HuffyJB]

That all just sounds like more rationalizing from a fan of a program that used to regularly compete for and sign top ten players, but currently is on a cold streak in that department.

 

[gunslingerdick]

That all just sounds like more rationalizing from a fan of a program that used to regularly compete for and sign top ten players, but currently is on a cold streak in that department.

And when we were regularly competing for top 10 talent, they were staying for 3 or more years. Sooo....

 

[gunslingerdick]

Certainly I could be wrong on Carter, but from following his recruitment as closely as I have, I took what he said to mean he's weighing all factors and making it sure it's not just good for the school, but also the best personal decision for him. I don't think he wants promises of playing time (quite frankly, he won't need them....wherever he ends up he's immediately one of the best players on that team's roster), I don't think he wants a pass academically, and I don't think he views his time at the school as a one year thing. He wants to be a part of the program as a whole.

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Ok. Fair enough. I actually hope you're right. But even if you are right, I will maintain that he's the exception and not the rule.

As for Robinson, trust me, I agree with you. If I could snap my fingers to make college basketball go back to the way it used to be I would. But it's not happening. What we have is what we're forced to deal with. How you love kids like Robinson is no different than how I loved kids like Scheyer, N. Smith, T. Thornton and more. Besides, I didn't heckle anything about your support of Robinson....now you're doing to me what you claimed I did to you.
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Good. I'm glad I'm not alone in my desire to have things like they used to be. But obviously where we differ is how we digest the current state of affairs. I don't have to "like it". You seem more willing to just resign yourself to it and that's fine. But if it's all the same to you, I'll just continue to not like it and express that when I feel the urge.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Actually, it's quotes, with some commentary and opinions on the quotes. I take it you're the type to record the game to watch later, and then keep it on mute while watching and fast forward any time the clock in the game isn't running. To each their own I guess.

I'll show you show why we prefer it our way:

In a thread titled "The keys to winning it all next season are..." someone wrote the following:



Ha. This "poaster" could have simply said "we can't win it all next year."

You must be this high (raising hand above my shoulders) to participate in this conversation.

 

[topps coach]

And when we were regularly competing for top 10 talent, they were staying for 3 or more years. Sooo....

Easy to stay three plus years without having to go to those pesky classes

 

[gunslingerdick]

Easy to stay three plus years without having to go to those pesky classes

Isn't it? I actually stayed 5 years in college without going to those pesky classes.

 

[pisgah101]

Son of Saul over at RR. This is his response in a thread about Romeo Langford. Someone had the gall to say they believe he is Duke bound and this goofball got a bit testy. Lol. Another guy with direct inside knowledge of K's every thought...

"The geriatric Coach K has been selling every one of these classes on being his "last title team" before he retires. Of course, what he hasn't been telling them is that he doesn't plan on retiring. His ego won't allow him to. Coaching is all he knows or understands. Spending time with grandchildren, his wife, or traveling the world be damned, he's got two good balls that still need slurping on from the media.

At some point, the elites have to ask themselves if they want to play for a coach who goes to bed at 9PM or not. Maybe they do, but I'm not sure K will continue recruiting at this level if he keeps it up into his 70s, even if he had the world's best assistant coaches."

This is the exact same thing they said when he turned 60 LOL

 

[dukiejay]

Good. I'm glad I'm not alone in my desire to have things like they used to be. But obviously where we differ is how we digest the current state of affairs. I don't have to "like it". You seem more willing to just resign yourself to it and that's fine. But if it's all the same to you, I'll just continue to not like it and express that when I feel the urge.

That's fine. And it's not as if I've resigned myself to it and accepted it. It's reality. I've also resigned myself to the fact my wife isn't as amorous as she was 10 years ago either. Things change.

 

[gunslingerdick]

I've also resigned myself to the fact my wife isn't as amorous as she was 10 years ago either.

You don't have to like that either.

Things change.

More often than not, for worse.

Nice deflection.

Deflecting from what? Your opinion that Carolina can't win the championship this year? Or your weird assumption that I watch games with the sound off and fast-forward through dead time or whatever it was you meant with the first part of that odd and irrelevant poast?

 

[gunslingerdick]

Reading comprehension must be nonexistent over at thr.

Dumb it down for me. Or is that you know your poast directed towards me had no relevance in the discussion dukiejay, timo and I were having and you just wanted to look cool to your buddies here by going after a tarhole?

 

[Devilicious]

Where is Rosh?

 

[Mark Gastineau]

he's not as thoughtful of a young man as I had heard him to be

That's a pretty bold assessment of someone you have never spoken with, much less met.

 

[gunslingerdick]

thr version:

You implied this thread should be simply "quotes" and not all of the other stuff, since that is what the title states. I stated that we like to have commentary/opinions/analysis (stuff) on the quotes, as well. For example, when someone says "I'm watching a basketball game", you're not just watching the basketball game. You're listening to the commentary/analysis/opinions (stuff) during the game. If you don't like all of that other stuff, I'm guessing you block it all out while watching basketball games (through muting and fast forwarding). I then proceeded to give you an example of a quote, with some extra stuff added after the quote.

I understand exactly what you were saying now. Thanks for the explanation. Unfortunately, I still find it completely irrelevant to the conversation I was having with others. And if I could make a suggestion, maybe the author of this thread should consider renaming the thread, "Favorite THR Quotes and our nonsensical assumptions regarding them". I think there'd be a lot less confusion that way and you wouldn't have had to waste your time breaking it down for me.

That's a pretty bold assessment of someone you have never spoken with, much less met.

Maybe. But if you think that one was bold then you'd be shocked to hear my assessment of you - another person I've never met.