Favorite THR Quotes....

[HuffyJB]

And when we were regularly competing for top 10 talent, they were staying for 3 or more years. Sooo....

I don't think you're naïve enough to think that is because they "just love being in school." It hits on one of the factors currently hindering UNC's recruiting efforts. Roy is a system guy. Players have to grow into and adhere to his scheme, regardless of skills, as opposed to the other way around. He doesn't always play to guy's strengths and "showcase" them. And that is not about pandering to players - K modifies his system annually to fit his personnel, whether they are 18 or 22, and the success speaks for itself.

Roy doesn't have any anti-OAD moral high ground like Gary and some of those nuts would love to believe. He would have taken ALL of Parker, Okafor, Jones, Winslow, and Ingram in a second. He just couldn't get any of them.

 

[gunslingerdick]

I think the intended audience of the thread is intelligent enough to understand the title doesn't mean there are only quotes in this thread.

I don't know...I've interacted with some folks here and I think you may be overly optimistic.

 

[gunslingerdick]

I don't think you're naïve enough to think that is because they "just love being in school." It hits on one of the factors currently hindering UNC's recruiting efforts. Roy is a system guy. Players have to grow into and adhere to his scheme, regardless of skills, as opposed to the other way around. He doesn't always play to guy's strengths and "showcase" them. And that is not about pandering to players - K modifies his system annually to fit his personnel, whether they are 18 or 22, and the success speaks for itself.
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Ok. I agree. Roy is a system guy that's not going to change his system. He likes what he likes and he knows it works for him. I've made the same argument plenty. But it actually kind of makes my point - kids that go to Carolina usually aren't OAD. Because Roy favors playing those that have earned the right to more minutes by putting in work over the course of several years and because rookies aren't really going to understand the nuances of the way Roy likes to play. That means OAD guys don't see Carolina as a place where they can go and show off their talents immediately. And showing off their talents immediately is important to those guys because they don't want anything to do with a "college experience". They want to "do their tour of duty" and get out as soon as possible. I don't like that. Even if a kid from Carolina was to be a OAD kid, I would prefer him to give the impression that being there only one year isn't even on the radar and then if it were to work out for him that way, then good for him. I guess what I'm saying is that I'm not so much opposed to kids being OAD. I'm more railing against the notion that kids think that, are told that, and position themselves for that from the jump. It's the mentality, not the actual happenings that bother me.

Roy doesn't have any anti-OAD moral high ground like Gary and some of those nuts would love to believe. He would have taken ALL of Parker, Okafor, Jones, Winslow, and Ingram in a second. He just couldn't get any of them.

Roy would have taken all of those guys. But he also tells recruits when he's recruiting them, "I want you to envision your career at Carolina. But I want you to think of your senior year and work backwards from there." So while he does recruit OAD talent, he also makes it clear he sees them being there more than just one year. And I think Roy and I have the same feeling about what I said at the end of my first paragraph - he doesn't mind kids being OAD. But I suspect he doesn't really care for the mentality of the OAD recruits and he probably gets downright pissed when a recruit tells him, "Coach, I'm only planning to be in school for one year.", which sadly, is an increasing number of kids. And that goes back to my point that AAU basketball is ruining these kids by telling them they are NBA material before they've accomplished anything.

 

[KellenPatrick]

Roy would have taken all of those guys. But he also tells recruits when he's recruiting them, "I want you to envision your career at Carolina. But I want you to think of your senior year and work backwards from there."

Lolllll! Come on, DICK. You actually have inside info as to what exactly Roy tells kids when recruiting them?!! Were you there??? Ha haaaaaaa, you people over at THR are absolutely nuts.

 

[KellenPatrick]

This is the exact same thing they said when he turned 60 LOL

Wishful thinking on their part.

 

[dukedevilz]

And if I could make a suggestion, maybe the author of this thread should consider renaming the thread, "Favorite THR Quotes and our nonsensical assumptions regarding them". I think there'd be a lot less confusion that way and you wouldn't have had to waste your time breaking it down for me.

I see you've taken the sensible approach for voicing your frustrations with the DI community. Classy.

 

[skysdad]

I think my favorite thing going on over there right now is people asking ol' Gary to compare their recruit Andrew Platek (who hasn't even committed) to Grayson Allen and Luke Kennard, and Gary doing his best to equate a 3-star (174th ranked) player to two 5-stars...

Is Platek a good tripper? OFC

 

[dukedevilz]

And I think Roy and I have the same feeling about what I said at the end of my first paragraph - he doesn't mind kids being OAD. But I suspect he doesn't really care for the mentality of the OAD recruits and he probably gets downright pissed when a recruit tells him, "Coach, I'm only planning to be in school for one year.", which sadly, is an increasing number of kids.

Roy offered 15 of the top 25 recruits in 2016 - and Bradley wasn't one of them. I suppose he backed off of the majority of those recruits once they filled out the basketball questionnaire and checked off one year for the question, "expected time to play college basketball?"

 

[topps coach]

Isn't it? I actually stayed 5 years in college without going to those pesky classes.

Not surprised considering the level of intellect in the content of your posts

 

[QC Dukie]

It'll be a totally different tune over there if they ever do get a OAD to commit.

OFC

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

Speaking of dumbing down. Can someone explain poast/poaster to me?

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

It'll be a totally different tune over there if they ever do get a OAD to commit.

OFC

Where have you been? They get OAD commits all the time. It's just that Roy is a master at turning them into upstanding 4 year student athletes.

 

[KellenPatrick]

Speaking of dumbing down. Can someone explain poast/poaster to me?

Apparently the idiot thinks spelling it "poaster" is really cute. Lol.

 

[KellenPatrick]

Where have you been? They get OAD commits all the time. It's just that Roy is a master at turning them into upstanding 4 year student athletes.

JMM and their current wanna be "star" in Jackson. Lollll. Yeah, Roy and his staff are some kind of developers of talent. And I actually think coaches being blamed for supposedly not developing talent is waaaay exaggerated but UK and Hole fans always love to point it out. Haa.

 

[HuffyJB]

Ok. I agree. Roy is a system guy that's not going to change his system. He likes what he likes and he knows it works for him. I've made the same argument plenty. But it actually kind of makes my point - kids that go to Carolina usually aren't OAD. Because Roy favors playing those that have earned the right to more minutes by putting in work over the course of several years and because rookies aren't really going to understand the nuances of the way Roy likes to play. That means OAD guys don't see Carolina as a place where they can go and show off their talents immediately. And showing off their talents immediately is important to those guys because they don't want anything to do with a "college experience". They want to "do their tour of duty" and get out as soon as possible. I don't like that. Even if a kid from Carolina was to be a OAD kid, I would prefer him to give the impression that being there only one year isn't even on the radar and then if it were to work out for him that way, then good for him. I guess what I'm saying is that I'm not so much opposed to kids being OAD. I'm more railing against the notion that kids think that, are told that, and position themselves for that from the jump. It's the mentality, not the actual happenings that bother me.



Roy would have taken all of those guys. But he also tells recruits when he's recruiting them, "I want you to envision your career at Carolina. But I want you to think of your senior year and work backwards from there." So while he does recruit OAD talent, he also makes it clear he sees them being there more than just one year. And I think Roy and I have the same feeling about what I said at the end of my first paragraph - he doesn't mind kids being OAD. But I suspect he doesn't really care for the mentality of the OAD recruits and he probably gets downright pissed when a recruit tells him, "Coach, I'm only planning to be in school for one year.", which sadly, is an increasing number of kids. And that goes back to my point that AAU basketball is ruining these kids by telling them they are NBA material before they've accomplished anything.

I think the assumption that OADs for the most part don't "unpack their bags" and invest themselves in the school community, even for one year, is woefully inaccurate. There are the Ben Simmons of the world who don't care about the school whatsoever, but look at Ingram, the guy who is going to go immediately after the draft as the counterexample. Duke has several guys who played one year, but are no doubt unabashed members of the Duke family, champion the school in interviews, return to the school for games, events, and even to take classes, etc.

There are some just "biding their time," but you are selling a lot of other guys short. Again, it sounds like a statement someone would make whose school is not getting those guys.

 

[skysdad]

This bull about not wanting OAD players at uncheat is just that. BULL. They would have taken any of our , UK and everyone else's OAD players over and over again. This is one reason why I can't take the majority of the thr poasters seriously at all. The thing is they know they want OAD players but they just keep poasting the same old crap. No wonder that's not tar on their heels. They keep stepping in it and are in self denial about the whole thing. But like LetsGoDuke said they have had OAD for a long time but are convinced to stretch it FAN (four and nothing) no national championships and for some into not getting drafted in the 1st 2 rounds or not getting drafted at all.

 

[dbav]

And when we were regularly competing for top 10 talent, they were staying for 3 or more years. Sooo....

Do you believe that is due to love of the school or poor player development? I think the latter.

And perhaps the fact that top 10 talent was staying 3 years is why they are not heading there now. Just saying...

 

[timo0402]

I think the assumption that OADs for the most part don't "unpack their bags" and invest themselves in the school community, even for one year, is woefully inaccurate. There are the Ben Simmons of the world who don't care about the school whatsoever, but look at Ingram, the guy who is going to go immediately after the draft as the counterexample. Duke has several guys who played one year, but are no doubt unabashed members of the Duke family, champion the school in interviews, return to the school for games, events, and even to take classes, etc.

There are some just "biding their time," but you are selling a lot of other guys short. Again, it sounds like a statement someone would make whose school is not getting those guys.

Bingo

 

[BluePhil]

That's fine. And it's not as if I've resigned myself to it and accepted it. It's reality. I've also resigned myself to the fact my wife isn't as amorous as she was 10 years ago either. Things change.

Maybe if you were not "One and Done" this would not have changed.

 

[Mark Gastineau]

Maybe. But if you think that one was bold then you'd be shocked to hear my assessment of you - another person I've never met.

Right back at you. And I doubt I'm alone in how I view you.

Lolllll! Come on, DICK. You actually have inside info as to what exactly Roy tells kids when recruiting them?!! Were you there??? Ha haaaaaaa, you people over at THR are absolutely nuts.

I laughed at that as well.

 

[KellenPatrick]

gary:

"Platek is a nice athlete, albeit with not quite the vertical of Allen's (which is exceptional), but as far as skills, I'll say that if Platek was placed in Allen's situation of de facto PG he would be a much better play-maker."

"Andrew is a solid smooth athlete who is a lot closer to Allen than Kennard in that sense (without the forced drives and leg-whips )"

 

[Mark Gastineau]

Courtesy of @Sk1310 prior to Game 5 on Monday night:

"Harrison goes for 20+ tonight with Green out. He is option 3 now."

In retrospect, this prediction is just hilarious. Barnes has essentially been a non-factor this entire series, despite a couple of doubt digit performances. Did anyone else catch the part last night during the game when Van Gundy said Barnes was losing himself millions by playing so terribly? So true. This series has proven he is not worth a max contract. Meanwhile Kyrie continues to excel.

On a related note, Steph Curry's wife must be a UNC fan given the tone of her conspiracy theory tweets last night.

 

[KellenPatrick]

gary again:

Seriously, one thing I liked watching him live was how he stays in the flow of the game. Didn't see a single forced or questionable shot. And I saw the same thing my buddy did --- he squares those shoulders as well or better than any HS shooter I can remember.
If he was indeed a high-volume guy in the past he seems to have gotten the message about shot selection and team play.

 

[Mark Gastineau]

This thread makes me laugh, especially the first post:

https://northcarolina.forums.rivals.com/threads/harrison-barnes.40284/#post-589824

 

[dukiejay]

Do you believe that is due to love of the school or poor player development? I think the latter.

And perhaps the fact that top 10 talent was staying 3 years is why they are not heading there now. Just saying...

I don't think it's a developmental issue. When UNC fans attacked Duke years ago for not "developing" NBA talent I said the same thing.

That said, I think you can have a constructive argument surrounding perceived issues. Does Roy's system lend itself to more veteran players? Maybe. Clearly there is a disconnect among recruits who are viewed as OAD talent when it comes to UNC. Frankly, I think it's only going to take one or two making the decision to attend UNC and that perception will be changed.

I know folks against UNC make the McAdoo argument all the time....but seriously, he was clearly lacking the necessary skills coming into college to be an effective NBA player as a 19-year-old. Supremely athletic and gifted but without the polish. Jabari, Jahlil and even to an extent Austin had refined offensive games that catered to the NBA.

 

[gottagonow]

If only we could better appreciate the unique greatness of former Cheats players like Barnes and MacAdoo so we could wallow in stupidity and make idiotic statements. They say Barnes will get a max contract or he could go to a lesser team where he can be the alpha dog, be the # 1 or 2 player on the team. After this series he'll be lucky just to have a contract.

 

[KellenPatrick]

Inside the basketball genius mind of DSouthr. This is his beginning post to a thread he started asking what new wrinkles the Holes would like to see next season. Read it and be amazed....

"Considering the players we will have for next season what new wrinkle would you like to see on offense and what wrinkle on defense would you like to see?

On offense I would like to see us do a lot more screening inside the paint, big for big and roll off to another screen and then rotate for the ball entry and attack the defender inside the block charge circle.. I would especially like to see a LOT more of that from Meeks, at times he seems to go down to a spot inside and get stuck, want to see him really working hard to screen screen and roll, catch the entry and attack the defender;s body.

On defense, easy for me, I would LOVE to see us switch defenses much more, man to trapping to zones. Keep them off balance, don't let them settle in and be able to attack the same defense. Sooner or later any set defense can be effectively attacked if you get the same looks at it over and over. Teams have figured our help man can be attacked with high screens that force mismatches when we don't have the length to switch off."

My mind is blown by the sheer genius of it all.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

Inside the basketball genius mind of DSouthr. This is his beginning post to a thread he started asking what new wrinkles the Holes would like to see next season. Read it and be amazed....

"Considering the players we will have for next season what new wrinkle would you like to see on offense and what wrinkle on defense would you like to see?

On offense I would like to see us do a lot more screening inside the paint, big for big and roll off to another screen and then rotate for the ball entry and attack the defender inside the block charge circle.. I would especially like to see a LOT more of that from Meeks, at times he seems to go down to a spot inside and get stuck, want to see him really working hard to screen screen and roll, catch the entry and attack the defender;s body.

On defense, easy for me, I would LOVE to see us switch defenses much more, man to trapping to zones. Keep them off balance, don't let them settle in and be able to attack the same defense. Sooner or later any set defense can be effectively attacked if you get the same looks at it over and over. Teams have figured our help man can be attacked with high screens that force mismatches when we don't have the length to switch off."

My mind is blown by the sheer genius of it all.

That "poaster" should take Roy's place. But he made no mention of the proper use of a timeout. And it amazes me that in his defensive "wrinkle", he didn't say anything about guarding the man inbounding the ball.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

If only we could better appreciate the unique greatness of former Cheats players like Barnes and MacAdoo so we could wallow in stupidity and make idiotic statements. They say Barnes will get a max contract or he could go to a lesser team where he can be the alpha dog, be the # 1 or 2 player on the team. After this series he'll be lucky just to have a contract.

Barnes and alpha dog in the same sentence. Bwahahaha!

 

[topps coach]

Barnes is an average Nba starter and in today's world that will probably give him that 16 million per year contract.The old time NBA players are looking at today's salaries in amazement

 

[Laettner15]

I'm reading the comments interested by what everyone is saying... But really I'm wondering will this thread get to 100 pages.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Roy would have taken all of those guys. But he also tells recruits when he's recruiting them, "I want you to envision your career at Carolina. But I want you to think of your senior year and work backwards from there."

Lolllll! Come on, DICK. You actually have inside info as to what exactly Roy tells kids when recruiting them?!! Were you there??? Ha haaaaaaa, you people over at THR are absolutely nuts.

He said that very thing in an interview just a few months ago.

If only we could better appreciate the unique greatness of former Cheats players like Barnes and MacAdoo so we could wallow in stupidity and make idiotic statements. They say Barnes will get a max contract or he could go to a lesser team where he can be the alpha dog, be the # 1 or 2 player on the team. After this series he'll be lucky just to have a contract.

No one has stated Barnes will be a #1 option on any NBA team. Most people agree he's a 3rd option if he decides to leave GS with the possibility of being a #2. And regardless of what you think and the way Barnes has played the last 2 games, he's highly sought after. If he leaves GS, I think he'll be a Laker. They seem to want him pretty badly.

Barnes is an average Nba starter and in today's world that will probably give him that 16 million per year contract.The old time NBA players are looking at today's salaries in amazement

I completely agree with that. We had a similar conversation on our site the other day. I think Average players of the 80s and 90s would be shredding today's NBA because of how the game is officiated. My first example was James worthy. I think he'd be a top 5 player in the game if were to be playing today. I also said that guys like Dale Ellis and Ricky Pierce could be 30 ppg scorers with the way the game favors offensive players. And yeah, the salaries...just ridiculous. No one deserves that kind of money for being able to throw a ball through a hoop.

That "poaster" should take Roy's place. But he made no mention of the proper use of a timeout. And it amazes me that in his defensive "wrinkle", he didn't say anything about guarding the man inbounding the ball.

DSouthr isn't a poaster. He's a poster. It's an OOTB thing.

I don't think it's a developmental issue. When UNC fans attacked Duke years ago for not "developing" NBA talent I said the same thing.

That said, I think you can have a constructive argument surrounding perceived issues. Does Roy's system lend itself to more veteran players? Maybe. Clearly there is a disconnect among recruits who are viewed as OAD talent when it comes to UNC. Frankly, I think it's only going to take one or two making the decision to attend UNC and that perception will be changed.

I know folks against UNC make the McAdoo argument all the time....but seriously, he was clearly lacking the necessary skills coming into college to be an effective NBA player as a 19-year-old. Supremely athletic and gifted but without the polish. Jabari, Jahlil and even to an extent Austin had refined offensive games that catered to the NBA.

Accurate. Y'all should keep this guy around.

 

[tarheel0910]

Roy would have taken all of those guys. But he also tells recruits when he's recruiting them, "I want you to envision your career at Carolina. But I want you to think of your senior year and work backwards from there."

Lolllll! Come on, DICK. You actually have inside info as to what exactly Roy tells kids when recruiting them?!! Were you there??? Ha haaaaaaa, you people over at THR are absolutely nuts.

"Every recruit I've recruited, I say, ‘Hey, if it's the best thing for you to leave after your freshman year,’ I'll say, 'Fine, but I want you to look at your career over a four-year span. I'd like for you to look at it from your senior year backward,'

http://www.fayobserver.com/blogs/sp...cle_c2dc7e4a-10c2-11e6-ba2c-7bae5dd31f40.html

 

[gunslingerdick]

"Every recruit I've recruited, I say, ‘Hey, if it's the best thing for you to leave after your freshman year,’ I'll say, 'Fine, but I want you to look at your career over a four-year span. I'd like for you to look at it from your senior year backward,'

http://www.fayobserver.com/blogs/sp...cle_c2dc7e4a-10c2-11e6-ba2c-7bae5dd31f40.html

Thanks 0910. I couldn't find it.

 

[KellenPatrick]

I'm reading the comments interested by what everyone is saying... But really I'm wondering will this thread get to 100 pages.

Should be no problem what with the amount of ammo the likes of gary, DSouthr, gunslinger, Archer, ChapelHeeled, Hark, et all......provide.

 

[dukiejay]

"Every recruit I've recruited, I say, ‘Hey, if it's the best thing for you to leave after your freshman year,’ I'll say, 'Fine, but I want you to look at your career over a four-year span. I'd like for you to look at it from your senior year backward,'

http://www.fayobserver.com/blogs/sp...cle_c2dc7e4a-10c2-11e6-ba2c-7bae5dd31f40.html

And that's a philosophical coaching thing. I get what Roy is saying and I think all of us would appreciate the college game more if things were more like they were, say, 20 years ago....but the reality is they're not. I admire what UNC did this past basketball season from a purist standpoint....getting to where they got with a core of veterans. It's not easy in today's college basketball. The problem with that philosophy is that while an admirable venture the consistency is often times going to lack. UNC's advantage is that they're still UNC, even if they're not recruiting at the highest of levels....because they're still going to recruit better than 90% of other college basketball programs. Their problem, however, is that they might be forced to go through seasons where they "only" win 20-25 games and struggle to get into the second weekend. That said, Duke hasn't made it out of the first round twice in five years.

 

[KellenPatrick]

"Every recruit I've recruited, I say, ‘Hey, if it's the best thing for you to leave after your freshman year,’ I'll say, 'Fine, but I want you to look at your career over a four-year span. I'd like for you to look at it from your senior year backward,'

http://www.fayobserver.com/blogs/sp...cle_c2dc7e4a-10c2-11e6-ba2c-7bae5dd31f40.html

And he would LOVE to land the likes of Okafor, Jabari, Tatum, Giles, Monk, Bam, Fox, etc... and gladly tell them they are ready after one year. He simply knows he won't be getting them.

 

[gunslingerdick]

And that's a philosophical coaching thing. I get what Roy is saying and I think all of us would appreciate the college game more if things were more like they were, say, 20 years ago....but the reality is they're not. I admire what UNC did this past basketball season from a purist standpoint....getting to where they got with a core of veterans. It's not easy in today's college basketball. The problem with that philosophy is that while an admirable venture the consistency is often times going to lack. UNC's advantage is that they're still UNC, even if they're not recruiting at the highest of levels....because they're still going to recruit better than 90% of other college basketball programs. Their problem, however, is that they might be forced to go through seasons where they "only" win 20-25 games and struggle to get into the second weekend. That said, Duke hasn't made it out of the first round twice in five years.

To your first point, I agree. That's just Roy. I know Roy wants to win, but what's more important to Roy than winning, is winning his way.

To your second point, I disagree. I think it's the opposite from what you say. All other variables being equal (coaching, health, etc), the veteran model allows for more consistency but lacks the potential for super highs and super lows. The OAD model I feel has potential for higher highs but also lower lows and it's more succeptable to inconsistent play.

And he would LOVE to land the likes of Okafor, Jabari, Tatum, Giles, Monk, Bam, Fox, etc... and gladly tell them they are ready after one year. He simply knows he won't be getting them.

LOLLLL! C'mon KELLEN. You actually have inside info as to what Roy thinks? Hahahahahahaha. You people at DI are absolutely nuts.

 

[timo0402]

To your first point, I agree. That's just Roy. I know Roy wants to win, but what's more important to Roy than winning, is winning his way.

To your second point, I disagree. I think it's the opposite from what you say. All other variables being equal (coaching, health, etc), the veteran model allows for more consistency but lacks the potential for super highs and super lows. The OAD model I feel has potential for higher highs but also lower lows and it's more succeptable to inconsistent play.



LOLLLL! C'mon KELLEN. You actually have inside info as to what Roy thinks? Hahahahahahaha. You people at DI are absolutely nuts.

I tend to agree, but I think you and DJ are both saying the same thing. A team of veterans coming into the season you pretty much know what you're going to get- you shouldn't veer off course too much one way or the other (sans injury problems). Most people expected last year for UNC to be a title contender all season long and they were.

I do think the OAD thing is obviously more volatile but I think a lot of it has to do with the quality of class. Last year's class was not as talented as the incoming one, or the one before it. I think when Duke goes with and accomplishes the goal they have of combining OAD talent with Veterans you not only achieve the higher ceiling that everyone wants but also have the higher likelihood of consistency.

As much fun as you guys like to poke at K saying he only had 6 players this year, the reality is we set up to build the OAD sprinkled with Vets but it didn't anticipate Tyus leaving, Amile getting hurt, Semi leaving and Sheed getting dismissed. Thus we're in the situation we were in and quite frankly think we did pretty well with what we had.

 

[LetsGoDuke301]

You people at DI are absolutely nuts.

You should start a thread at thr titled, "favorite DI quotes".