That’s exactly what I was trying to say, without actually saying it. Virginia, even with a loss, is ranked higher than Tulane. So, it’s pretty clear that if Virginia had one, they'd be in.
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Who said they wouldn't have been in if they won? I didn't
That's not the discussion--you said they were penalized--the committee didn't penalize them. They didn't earn the AQ spot
I understood what you were saying and he's being an obtuse liar yet again.... he was attempting to tell you UVa was not in even if they won as they were so far down the rankings..... blah, blah, blah. He was wrong and full of $hat as per usual - UVa was definitely IN had they won.... where he was saying they were nowhere near the playoffs regardless of what they did.
LMAO I never said or implied they weren't in with a win. It's ridiculous
Where did I say they were nowhere near the playoff with a win? Find it
You said, "losing the CCG doesn't truly matter" and I said "Virginia enters the chat" simply to illustrate that losing the CCG does matter. Maybe we’re talking about two different things?
We're 100% talking about different things.
You're saying because they lost they didn't get an AQ bid
What was the discussion, or so I thought, was the committee penalizing them for playing an extra game which they weren't because, as you pointed out, they remained ahead of Tulane and JMU. Ohio State only dropped one spot, BYU only dropped one spot, Bama didn't move.
OSU should have been 4 all the other teams in the top 4 won.
Totally disagree. Having the Cinderella teams in makes it more interesting - better than some 8 or 9 win P4 teams that aren't going to win it all either. If they expand to more teams, IMHO one of the things that should go with that is every conference champ in 1-A gets in.
They make up the rules up as they go and Delaney was pushing for OSU as well- what a Clown.
"losing the CCG doesn't matter" means something akin to the committee treats teams that go to a CCG and lose no different than if they didn't play in the CCG to begin with. The loss doesn't hurt them.
If UVA weren't a participant in the CCG they would not have made the playoffs anyway. That is why they are not an actual counterexample to the principle.
This--the playoff should be (using the rankings)
1-Indiana* (16 Southern Cal hosting 17 Arizona)
2-Ohio State (15 Utah hosting 18 Michigan)
3-Georgia* (14 Vanderbilt hosting 20 Tulane*)
4-Texas Tech* (13 Texas hosting 24 James Madison*)
5-Oregon (12 Brigham Young hosting Boise State*)
6-Ole Miss (11 Notre Dame hosting Duke*)
7-A&M (10 Miami hosting Kennesaw State*)
8-Oklahoma (9 Bama hosting Western Michigan*)
Everyone is happy
*conference champ
Note: this would obviously be different without CCGs--for example, UVa would have gotten the auto bid)
Again, I knew exactly what you were saying - and he absolutely did say that UVa losing the CCG didn't matter relative to them extending their season into the post-season playoff..... via his response. Now he is pulling his typical obtuse lying bs yet again trying to claim that he didn't say precisely what he absolutely did say! He said CCGs did not "matter" relative to the playoff discussion - you clearly responded that they mattered a ton relative to the ACC and UVa (again, it was quite clear what you were saying).... but then he turns around and says that he never said or even implied that UVa was out even had they won???? Typical of his bs - the guy is such a flaming a-hole b1g troll douchebag.... now he'd have us believe that he really didn't mean "didn't matter" when he said "didn't matter". BTW, the game MATTERED either way, because under his idea, you simply eliminate the CCG - so had this been the case, UVa goes to the Playoffs as the ACC Conference Champion without the CCG (Miami would then be out as well in that scenario) and one of the 5 highest Ranked Conference Champions. So it MATTERED regardless of how you're arguing it!
No I didn't lol
doctorick explained it--maybe you can read that slowly
That's not true. Had the ACC determined their Conference Champion without a CCG, UVa would have been the ACC Champion and absolutely would have gone to the Playoffs as one of the 5 highest Conference Champions (the CFP does not get involved how the Conference determines their Champions - they just provide an auto-bid for the 5 highest Final CFP Ranked Conference Champions. So even if the ACC eliminated their CCG as toolboy is advocating for, IT ABSOLUTELY WOULD HAVE MATTERED to UVa (and Miami), as UVa would be going to the Playoffs as the ACC Champion NOT Miami.
So you want teams to play 17 game seasons like the NFL? Thats not good for this level. The fix is make a super league with 8 divisions and only division winners make playoffs. Play all teams in your division plus a cross over division that alternates yearly like nfl. The **** teams can have their own league
If you eliminate CCGs the likelihood of anyone playing more than 16...which we did last year...is slim to none. I'm not adding any games.
With that superleague if you say the top 2 in the division then were aligned
LOL, I'm following your always wrong and double-talk bs quite clearly. You absolutely argued CCGs don't matter and have advocated for their elimination... and specifically referenced the ACC Championship and UVa when someone said that the CCG absolutely mattered to UVa relative to your advocating for their elimination as they "don't matter". Your assertion that it didn't matter whether the ACC CCG was played, or not, in the ACC is utter horse-crap as UVa is in the Playoffs, and Miami is out of the playoffs, had the ACC determined their Champion based solely on regular season play and had eliminated their CCG as you are advocating for and claimed it wouldn't have "mattered" in regards to the ACC and the Playoffs.
Because you dont comprehend context. The discussion was how the committee penalizes or doesn't penalize teams. AQ is a different discussion which almost everyone followed
Nice try dippy, you absolutely said CCGs don't matter as part of your argument for their elimination and the poster absolutely said that playing the CCG MATTERED hugely to UVa. UVa is in the Playoff and Miami is not had the ACC eliminated their CCG as you have repeatedly advocated for (one of your arguments being they are irrelevant and don't matter). You are wrong and the poster who pointed out that it MATTERED hugely to UVa that the ACC determines their Champion via CCG, rather than simply regular season play, was unquestionably CORRECT in pointing out that it absolutely MATTERED to UVa (and Miami for that "matter").
Lol I didn't...read the thread
The discussion was how the committee handles CCGs. AQ is obviously not part of that but you also thought Ohio State wouldn't get a bye when they were #2
Wrong again dumb@$$ - the CFP does not regulate how Conferences determine their Champions, so Conference Champion AQ status is absolutely impacted if a conference eliminates their CCG. Specifically, UVa would have been in and Miami out had the ACC eliminated their CCG (as you have repeatedly advocated for and claimed "they don't matter"). The ACC CCG absolutely MATTERED and hugely impacted both UVa's and Miami's season (specifically, it ended UVa's season and EXTENDED Miami's whose season would have otherwise been over had the ACC merely determined their Champion via regular season play with no CCG). Apparently, you're such a moron, you don't even know what the terms "don't matter" mean, because you're absolutely full of crap as per usual that the results of the ACC CCG "did not matter" to the Playoff field. You're such a jack@$$ it's beyond ridiculous.
You're still not reading
How was that Ohio State isn't getting a bye guarantee looking?
That's because the CFP Committee are appointed by, and lackies of, the SEC and b1g - this notion that they're "impartial" is such laughable bs, it isn't even funny. Not only did they "not punish" Alabama for not just a CCG loss (which is unprecedented by itself), but Alabama was taken to the woodshed by UGa - and this was after moving them up the prior week for squeaking by an awful coach-less Auburn team. Meanwhile, they punish ND two consecutive weeks for absolutely curb-stomping Stanford and then not even playing??? CFB again showing how corrupt, biased and ethically bankrupt it is as per usual.
Nope. I like seeing different teams involved and different matchups. If they are blowouts, so be it. There are blowouts between Power 4 teams in the playoffs too. At least the little guys are getting a shot. And if they surprise then fantastic!
Even 5-7 teams have devalued the bowl experience and additional practices that seem advantageous.
^^^ ESPN reaping what they sowed
It's smart though because they can't be fined (in theory)
Also, who wants to go to Birmingham to play Georgia Southern (especially if Auburn says no lol)--even Temple and Rutgers were like "bowls are stupid"
So Rutgers can't be fined by the B1G for declining a bowl bid since they're 5-7?
Correct--because they weren't "qualified" they aren't obligated to attend (at least that was true in the past--it may have changed this year but I doubt that)
That is not what he said. If Virginia had won, Virginia and Tulane would've been in. To be in, they had to win ther conference championship game. Tulane and JMU did. Virginia didn't. Tulane and James Madison were both ranked higher than Duke by the College Football Playoff Committee. The AP poll has no relevance or bearing.