And PSU’s lack of credibility continued to haunt him throughout his career even after he won two NC’s (see 1994). That’s kind of my point, there’s more working against PSU than just the coach.
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Don’t worry, the next guy will embarrass you equally.
It wasn’t lack of credibility in 1994. It was symathy for the Nebraska coach and the resentment of some Big 10 voters that PSU was admitted and might upset their Apple cart. PSU has credibility now. Everyone had them as the favorite to win the national championship. Franklin had long enough.
I'll never forget when you turned heel on James when you were posting live from the winery. That was fantastic.
Yeah, too much Cab Franc
. To be fair, I was good with many more year’s like last with James but seems like there was something rotten in SC and this split was inevitable (though way more depressing and chaotic than I thought it would be). Sigh. I also feel like the fix is in with Rhule.The program has credibility because of Joe. Everyone that follows is the beneficiary of it.
Joe lost a ton of that credibility over the last 25 years of his career. But even so, while Joe was there we missed out on a lot of NC discussions because of a lack of credibility. Before the 80’s we lacked credibility, got it in the 80’s, then lost it when we joined the Big 10….hell our conference has treated us like the red headed step child since we joined. If your own conference doesn’t respect you, how is anyone else going to?
James it was us, not you. Can you please come back ? 12 million, eh ?
The Athletic, by Russo
College fans better get used to a lot more losing. Is anyone ready ?
Almost overnight, 8-4 became the new 10-2 in college football, and it is really messing with everyone involved.
Especially in the SEC, where they’re finding out being NFL Lite might not be as cool as it sounds.
It’s getting harder to win. Meanwhile, patience for perceived underperformance is as thin as ever. Expectations and related decision-making have not adjusted to a world where many schools that were accustomed to being the baddest bully on the block moved into much tougher neighborhoods.
The Athletic, by Russo
College fans better get used to a lot more losing. Is anyone ready ?
Almost overnight, 8-4 became the new 10-2 in college football, and it is really messing with everyone involved.
Especially in the SEC, where they’re finding out being NFL Lite might not be as cool as it sounds.
It’s getting harder to win. Meanwhile, patience for perceived underperformance is as thin as ever. Expectations and related decision-making have not adjusted to a world where many schools that were accustomed to being the baddest bully on the block moved into much tougher neighborhoods.
Yes, these days 11-1 is pretty much the ceiling for all programs, so 10-2 actually looks damn good. Just ask OSU last year.
I posted this in the Den on Wednesday:Yeah, too much Cab Franc
This is from the transcript of Lavar's words on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe this morning:
"I mean, I've seen it, I've witnessed it and experienced it, seeing how things are handled at Penn State and you have internal warfare and I don't know how it is, and a lot of other plays, but it's it's interesting, like the moment something like this happens, you see people's true colors really really come out, and and for us it's it's I'll say, it's kind of sad, and it's unfortunate because you know, one person in particular has always been a protagonist for what we have going on at the university, and it's almost like he's a wolf in sheep's clothing trying to present what he feels are great solutions or he comes out with with really really interesting which I would say are off base types of of you know, claims towards towards leadership members. At one point it was James Franklin. Then James Franklin gets canned, and then James Franklin is immediately used as as an example and a tool of trying to take a pass at Pat Kraft and his leadership ability. And that's all internal, and it's from somebody that is should be really really using their name and their you know what the reputation of your family is, you should be using it for something different than that. So that's something that you know, Coach Saban probably could have mentioned as well, is the type of entitlement that some people on the inside have, you know, towards what's going on at the university, as if they own the university because of someone in particular that may have helped build the university to where it is".
I started a thread about this the other day as well. He’s calling out Jay.
The southeast corner of the state still produces a lot of talent - Philly and the burbs, Lehigh Valley, and Harrisburg/central PA do well. I agree the northeast corner of the state does have very low quality high school football, as you said. It all has to do with demographics. The Scranton region is no different than Western PA - very much elderly and collapsing youth populations.
I'm from the Scranton area. The BIG 11 and the Wyoming Valley Conference always put guys in big time division 1. Literally every year guys were going division 1 even from the small schools like Riverside. This area produced linemen like Munchak and Phil Ostroski to Penn State while the Ismail brothers went to Notre Dame and Syracuse and of course Spindler to Pitt. I could go on and on. Now there's literally nothing coming out of this area.
Would you want to coach at a school who fired two coaches with one with .749 winning percentage and another with .687 winning record?
You have no solutions just complaints because your guy got canned. Deal with it.
So Jay is a snake in the grass. Should that come as a surprise to anyone? Only if they haven't been paying attention for the last 25-30 years.
Jay has no influence on any significant decisions at Penn State. He is an irritant. Lavar needs an "Ignore Button."
Well, not literally nothing. Dippre played at Bama, McGovern for PSU, and Tavian Branch is still committed to PSU but looking. There's others but point taken.
His last name gives him a platform. You know that. He ran to Nebraska radio soon after James was fired.
Jay is and continues to be a problem. Voting him out should be a priority.
So? Does anyone in a position of authority at Pen State listen? I think not.
You can do that. Will it change anything? No. He'll continue to be a pest.
Chris Clauss and i forget his name but he was a noseguard at Pitt in the 70s and he came from Lakeland. Good player. And Gary Brown from Williamsport. Who was the safety or corner from Wilkes-Barre that played on the 85 and 86 teams. Oh yeah, Jimmy Cefalo from Pittson Area.
Boy I hope not. Switching between Nebraska vs NW, and Ok v Ole Miss. Easy to see the better coach.Yeah, too much Cab Franc
Oh please. Penn State was exceedingly patient with Paterno and with Franklin. Paterno held the program hostage for more than 10 years, and Franklin failed to win the most meaningful games on the schedule for more than 10 years.
Yeah, right. Why are PSU fans expecting Big 10 and NC’s? It’s not because we’ve been 7-5 the last 11 years.
None of us are in any position to have solutions.
What’s your point? Look at south bend, tuscaloosa, and college station. Lots of sh|t holes out there compared to State College.
I'll take a small town over big cities any day anymore.
Less attractive than Madison Beer. And I am not talking about beer in Madison.
Joes lack of credibility?? It’s you w no credibility!!
Hogwash. 1994 was all about charity for Tom Osborne and blatant anti-PSU bias within Big10.
Any knowledgeable college football fan knew PSU>Nebraska. In fact 1994 PSU was one of college football’s greatest teams ever.
Are you kidding? Joe came into the Big10 and ran the table in year 2 with one of college football’s greatest teams ever. For those who don’t remember, the Big10 at that point was a laughing stock - annually losing Rose Bowl and most other meaningful games.
He continued winning big games - home, away, bowl games until end of century, had a hiatus into a few bad years and then ascended back to upper echelon of college football.
He is the all-time winningest coach and still defines PSU around the world …positively for any fair-minded people (most).