FC/OT: Forbes List of New Public/Private Ivies…
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And we are ... stepping in it.Time to raise tuition. Penn State is inarguably dog sh|t all around, but there’s no way around the tuition. I’m sure that’s a big factor for Forbes (and everyone).
It’s nice to see Illinois make the list.
All of this said, these college rankings are steaming piles of bullsh|t.
Every time I come here lately, I get smacked in the face by well-endowed privates.
Penn State is becoming a university with Ivy League tuition and a low level community college education.
Don‘t knock it. That’s a tough trick. Plus, they get (stupid) people to pay those high prices for it.
Seriously comments like this are just stupid. First Penn State while slightly more expensive in state than most flagship publics isn't that crazy different as it was. For out of state students, PSU is pretty much the same as most public schools.
The cost of PSU, even for out of state, isn't remotely similar to the cost of fancy private institutions like Ivies.
The rankings have taken a small hit over the past decade and some peer institutions have "passed" them. But PSU is still easily considered a Top 100 school and draws significant interest and tons of applicants. they are still firmly in the middle of Big Ten schools (though now below average while previously a bit above average).
I know people like hyperbole and blowing things out of proportion, but the criticism of the school on here is always well in excess of reality. I frequent a lot of college discussion boards as I have high school aged kids and I don't se any evidence that PSU has lost any "shine" among the general public. In fact, it's usually discussed in the context of "very popular schools don't have to give out much aid or discounts to entice students" and that is why it is expensive (unlike, for example, a lot of SEC schools that offer substantial merit aid based on test scores in order to entice smarter kids to attend)
Four B1G publics and two privates, thanks to the most recent school additions.
I wouldn’t call them “new “private ivies they’ve always been thought of as great institutions
Don‘t knock it. That’s a tough trick. Plus, they get (stupid) people to pay those high prices for it.
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I’m glad I’m not the only be that gets exhausted by the constant barrage of negative comments about PSU. For the life of me, if people are that discouraged by all things PSU, find something else that makes you happy and stop bringing the negativity here.
I no longer get upset at PSU’s deserved and woeful academic rankings.
The Board of Distrustees and their orchestrated string of pimp and hore Presidents deserve what they have done to once was a respectable university.
The BOT and bloated administration don’t actually care about comparative academic rankings.
Nor should any other PSU ‘ers
The Board of Distrustees and their orchestrated string of pimp and hore Presidents deserve what they have done to once was a respectable university.
The BOT and bloated administration don’t actually care about comparative academic rankings.
Nor should any other PSU ‘ers
You may want to redo your OOS tuition analysis.
yes, PSU is most likely a top 100 school, all things considered but the bloodsuckers have annihilated the mission of the school - educate the citizens of the Commonwealth at an affordable price.
PSU’s OOS tuition is competitive with other school’s OOS tuition. I believe doctornick was the one who posted all the B1G schools tuition rates a few weeks ago. There were many who had higher OOS tuition rates. I agree, that the in state tuition should be more affordable. Maybe that should be the focus of our alumni and BOT, not the naming of a football field?
I think this is a good example of what they call copium.
I also think you said it all with the comment about psu being below average.
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The OOS rate is the “normal” tuition and the in-state is discounted from that … most Big Ten publics have their in-state discount funded by their respective state legislatures. PSU receives virtually no state funding compared to its Big Ten public peers. If the PA legislature provided equivalent funding, both PSU’s OOS and in-state tuition rates could be among the lowest in the Big Ten, and there could be more funding for merit and need-based financial aid. It’s actually impressive how low the tuition is, given the lack of public funding.
The anti-BoT bots will never change their programming. They just need to be ignored, as any time and energy devoted to explaining why they’re misguided, or trying to capitulate to their terroristic demands, takes away from the actual mission here - re-establishing PSU’s academic reputation after the previous regime was part of the failure to corral Sandusky properly. The football program’s ability to bounce back has been incredible. All hail O’Brien, Franklin and the other parties that made that happen. The general university reputation will take a bit longer to re-establish, and the anti-BoT bots are actively working against that goal. Bending the knee to the JoePa mythology is their only goal. Nothing else matters to them.
I was talking to my wife last night about the Neeli-led initiative to close select satellite campuses. We started discussing whether doing so would make Penn State better in the long run. It’s one thing to save money by reducing unnecessary overhead. It’s another thing to invest the saved money wisely. It’s yet another thing to truly lower costs.
Closing campuses is the relatively easy part. The hard part is what comes next. What will PSU look like in 15 years? Will we be better?
Closing campuses is the relatively easy part. The hard part is what comes next. What will PSU look like in 15 years? Will we be better?
Welcome to State College 2050I was talking to my wife last night about the Neeli-led initiative to close select satellite campuses. We started discussing whether doing so would make Penn State better in the long run. It’s one thing to save money by reducing unnecessary overhead. It’s another thing to invest the saved money wisely. It’s yet another thing to truly lower costs.
Closing campuses is the relatively easy part. The hard part is what comes next. What will PSU look like in 15 years? Will we be better?
It's astronomical compared to more savvy universities and has been out of whack for more than 15 years.
Penn State is not a state school. Why can't our fan base understand the dynamics involved? It's a state-affiliated institution. Financial governance is done by a bunch of people at the trough instead of those who understand how to run an institution of higher learning set up for the residents of the Commonwealth.
Seriously, what are you talking about?
Most large flagship public universities have an annual Cost of Attendance for out of state students in the $50-60K range and Penn State's COA of $56,264 for out of state is right in that range.
I agree that college costs in general are "out of whack". But I would vehemently disagree that Penn State's cost for a non-state resident is anything but the norm for most colleges.
Here are the out of state annual costs for all public Big Ten schools (including tuition, room & board, other fees and expenses):
Illinois: $36,930-$42,310
Purdue: $45,184
Nebraska: $47,462
Iowa: $52,599
Rutgers: $53,155
Ohio State: $54,760
Penn State: $56,264
Minnesota: $57,224
Maryland: $59,686
Wisconsin: $61,106
Indiana: $61,506
Michigan St: $64,250
Washington: $65,541
Oregon: $68,931
UCLA: $77,293
Michigan: $80,142 (!!)
I don't see how anyone can look at this and think that somehow PSU is some crazy outlier. There's certainly some that are a good bit more affordable (kudos to them!) but also a bunch that are worse and often a lot more expensive.
I'm quite aware PSU is not officially a "state school" ... I'm also quite aware that the level of state-funding, just 2-3 decades ago, was MUCH higher (as a percentage) and that, controlling for that difference, tuition is remarkably low. PSU has actually done quite a remarkable job controlling tuition, vis-a-vis its peers, given the state government's lack of giving a f*** about the university.
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Absolutely. And that's always been the case and seems most related to the "state related" qualification (and not receiving that much in state funding per student) versus a more directly stated owned schools like the PASSHE ones.
But the conversation that I was replaying to was specifically about PSU's cost to out of state (OOS) students.
It would cost my next child 54k to go to PSU.
Miami University (state university in Ohio) cost me 27k all in for our oldest and it’s a better university academically.
Miami (Ohio) out of state attendance cost is currently $57,500. In state is $34,900. Pretty much the same as PSU.
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