FC/OT: Tomlin stepping down.
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Well said...for me it's like Andy in Philly...best for everyone. No hard feelings.
The Rooney Rule doesn’t obligate anyone to hire a minority candidate only that they interview some.
19 seasons are entirely too long for a NFL head football coach with the same team. Bill Walsh once said that he believed that a head coach should only stay for a maximum of ten seasons, which is what he did with the Niners and then resigned.
Was a great Coach but the last 5+ years I got tired of watching the Steelers choke in the big games often after suffering through a Penn State loss by Franklin choking in the big games The day before.
So they wanted him fired because of the color of his skin instead of the content of his character?
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ing.I'm aware--and the Steelers will hire someone to support the rule they created
Yes and the fact that the Rooneys did nothing for years really raises concerns about their competency, judgment,etc. Hopefully they have learned something in this next go around.
Rumor about having a little Sherron Moore in him in our area.
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The outrage against BGM was so intense and great he either had to resign or be fired.
I don't think Shades was ever a 'great coach'. Early on he was at least smart enough to stay mostly out of LaBeau's way and let him coach the defense. But even Dick complained about the meddling eventually and got out. Shades was never an offense guy, so he did the same with Ariens and Wizz. But when those coordinators were forced out or just took better jobs, and the roster that had been assembled by Bill Cowher aged and left the team, Shades had no good answers. Ben held it together for a couple of seasons after that, but you could see it playing out.
Mike Tomlin is not a good football coach. Think about it this way: when Shades took over the Steelers they had a dominant defense, a solid running game, and a roster filled with players that carried them to two SBs in five years. What's left of the Steelers now as Shades walks away? A team in shambles really. No plan, no identity, no future. A 'team' packed with older, overpriced players that just can't get it done anymore. The guy walking in the door to greet this mess will have a total rebuild on his hands.
Tell me about the young players on this team that you're excited about. The Steelers have a rookie RB who was very good in college, where has he been? Roman Wilson sightings? Someone would have to take the time to TEACH those players how to compete at this level. You know, coaching. Instead, they're inactive, not participating even in practice. Wasted draft picks. Remember how Shades fell in love with tiny hands Kenny Pickett? Took Kenny SIX YEARS to figure out Nardouche's offensive system then had one good year playing Syracuse and Western Michigan every week.
There's a big reason Shades loved Aaron Rogers, Cam Heyward, and a ton of older players who have clearly lost at least a step: they mostly manage themselves and don't need to be taught how to play the game. They can no longer actually play at the level required, but they know how. The next time Shades disciplines a veteran player will be the first time he does it. Sure, all the players LOVE Coach T! Yeah, because he's 'one of the guys'. He doesn't throw weight around because he doesn't have any weight. He'll address 'the issue' via the media through some stupid platitude or saying.
Good riddance. If it was up to me, I would sue him for fraud.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but if you ask anyone inside the NFL, players, coaches, front offices, they would disagree with you.
Confirmed. Tomlin was told resign or be fired.
Some decent points but overly harsh in the total assessment. He is a Hall of Fame coach. His downfall and the reason he needed to go is roster construction. It was his Achilles heel. Steeler draft picks the past 5-7 years have been unusually poor. He was getting next to nothing from his nos. 1-4 draft picks and whiffed too many times on the first rounders. Trading for Minkah instead of drafting Herbert was a huge miss. And the Pickett selection set the team back years. For that there is a price to pay.
Now what he did with a poorly constructed roster and dearth of talent was "above the line". To be able to coax 9-10 wins per season from what they have should be recognized.
Did Tomlin buy the groceries or only cook the meal?
Always liked Tomlin but his time was up. Happy for all he did for Pittsburgh and grateful for his classy exit. But, 19 years is a long time. At some point, you get complacent and less hungry, and a winning record isn't good, but it's 'good enough'. That won't cut it in the NFL and shouldn't; the Rooney's were more than patient too.
All that said, I don't think HC's are as important in the NFL as they are in college. In the NFL it's more about culture and consistency and again, getting complacent will kill you. That's where the Steelers were. Looking forward to the next hire.
All that said, I don't think HC's are as important in the NFL as they are in college. In the NFL it's more about culture and consistency and again, getting complacent will kill you. That's where the Steelers were. Looking forward to the next hire.
2020 draft trade for Minkah was ok, plus they were able to trade Claypool for JPJ and got Highsmith. The 21 and 22 drafts were TERRIBLE. Muth is the only one left from either. Those should be 4-5 year players working towards their second contract, the main cogs of good teams. Guys still on rookie deals who may or not be stars but starters. The 24 draft got them 3 starting OL and a solid LB. 23 was solid outside of 1st rounder Jones, so there are good young guys to build with but need a QB, at least one WR and a new OC.
Far from a Steeler fan and after 19 years probably time to move on from Tomlin. On the other hand, the NFL is a quarterback driven league and the Steelers never found a replacement for Big Ben. Part of that is that the never drafted any higher than in the middle of the pack since Tomlin never had a losing season.
Agreed. Last time the Steelers had a top ten pick was 2019; the last time they had a top five pick? 1970 (longest duration for any NFL team - Patriots next at 1994). Can't get a franchise QB when you're consistently just good enough.
Franklin to Pittsburgh...according to his agent who shall remain nameless
Where is this supposed confirmation that Tomlin was told to quit or he would be fired?
And someone who is "passed out" says how much? There is a choice, nothing or a regular offering of this:
The cbssports.com NFL page has a few articles on Tomlin, but I don’t see anything about what you’re claiming. Seems like it would be headline-worthy news if it was true…
He got the info from some 3-toother at his monthly KKK meeting in his trailer park!
Fever dream pnny, you were probably gruntin & groanin too hard and popped a blood vessel again
It's soooo empty in there. He has a whole thread dedicated to me on the HV ffa board
yet It's everyone else that's stalking him
Your mentally ill diagnosis of him is spot onIt's soooo empty in there. He has a whole thread dedicated to me on the HV ffa board
The Pickett pick and Harris pick were a disaster. That combined with they literally could not find a QB. I know it is not easy but at some point you have to figure it out. It's like they kept on spending money to win 9 games a year and go nowhere. At some point just let it fall to where it will fall and maybe (hopefully) you creep into a top ten or top five pick and get a QB. Maybe they thought that could happen in a couple years but Tomlin was so good that he took what was supposed to be a 5-12/4-13 team and made them 9-8 or whatever. I don't know but there have been so many years of this mediocrity that you would think the Rooneys would have stepped in earlier and said either stop incrementalizing here, we need to rebuild so we are not going to spend much money and look to get a young franchise QB. It may not work but you need to get yourself in draft position for a shot at it. Drafting #16 won't cut it and you are left with the Kenny Pickett's of the world unless you are super lucky. There is a strategy that can work (not a guarantee, but it can work) look at Chicago and New England as examples.
Now looking ahead I don't know what the strategy is. Do we go for a rebuild with a new coach?
JMO but it's a complete regime change from Tomlin, the GM, Khan, on down. Trade anyone on the roster worth anything go for picks. (they do have a few good spots in the up coming draft) and smart trades.
So yea complete rebuild.
Was on the CBS news stations. Madden describes Tomlin as a fraud in the Tribune Review. Along with a bunch of other failures of BGM.