Whose job is it to keep players motivated and playing?
Seems like Josh Allen and Benny Snell were also prepping for the NFL combine yet they suited up for Kentucky and impacted the game.
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Seems like Josh Allen and Benny Snell were also prepping for the NFL combine yet they suited up for Kentucky and impacted the game.
I would argue it is a different paradigm. Being a premier player from PSU, they don't need to pub to get drafted highly. PSU will have two players drafted in the first round and a couple more by the end of round 3. Josh Allen is a QB and the chances of getting hurt are pretty small. Nobody valued Snell at the time so he used it to propel his NFL career.
Who opted out of the Kentucky game? McSorley, Sanders, Thompkins, Hamler, Parsons, Miller, Freiermuth, all played.
We were kneecapped against Ole Miss though. Even the guys who stayed didn’t play much.
Josh Allen, KY LBer, seventh overall pick in the 2019 draft. Might have been motivated to play by PSU not recruiting him out of high school.
the team was disapointed to be playing Kentucky in a bowl game after losing to UM, tOSU and Sparty (we had a TON of defensive injuries). We got blown out by tOSU and UM IIRC. They phoned it in. Snell had 144 yards rushing. Sanders only had 51 yards rushing. The only guy that did anything on offense was Trace. The problem was that we were down 10-7 at the half then gave up 17 in the 3rd quarter without scoring so we went into the 4th down 27-7. Trace hurt his foot around the half as well. K had a chip on their shoulders. PSU phoned it in.
So, no significant opt outs. Just checking. Franklin boned clock management and fourth downs in that game like he does most others. Anyway…
I don't recall. I feel like CJF kind of "half-played" some players like he did Saqon against Washington the year before. I checked the roster and it does look like most of the top players played. But I remember us being incredibly weak against the run that year which was the reason for the routes against UM and tOSU as well as the loss to Sparty. Between Trace and Sanders they had 32 carries. the rest of the team had 8.
You mean like calling a fake punt in own territory in first quarter?
right...that Josh Allen! Again, Kentucky was happy to be there. PSU phoned it in. We saw this when USC lost their bowl game against Tulane. It seems the non-playoff bowls became meaningless when the format was introduced. I recall both PSU and Utah lost several key players before the Rose bowl. THE ROSE BOWL!
Context matters, pretty much not possible to answer without knowing more. What does the recruiting and roster talent look like vs. other top 20 programs? Is he comfortably winning all of the other games? Are the losses competitive and close, or blowouts? How's the team doing in the playoffs (going forward there will be teams in the playoffs that aren't top 10).
If the PSU consistently beats everyone, is competitive against top ranked teams but loses, consistently makes the playoffs, wins some playoff games here and there, continues mostly positive off the field behavior, I'd probably be pretty happy.
I think this is a new day and a new era. I noted that Abdul Carter moved to Edge or DE. When asked about it this week opening spring ball, CJF said that it was initiated by the player. A few years ago, players came in and said "where can I be of most help, coach?" Today, they say "hey coach, I am going to play DE and if you don't want me there VaTech and ND said it wouldn't be a problem."
Saban was a leader. I expect he will have some followers as the sport continues in its death spiral.
a good friend of mine, years ago, told me I'd have a good life it I watched the busses. "Obliv, look at the bus. Do you want to be in front of the bus trying to stop it or behind the bus pushing?" There is one obvious answer.
PSU is in a better position than 95% of the Power Five schools. Unfortunately, behind the top six programs that always vie for playoff positions. That changes this year a bit. But it is clear that the bowls, below the playoff bowls, suffered. And the teams that had chips on their shoulders, the motivated ones, needed the exposure. PSU didn't care about the bowls as a team. And, I would also argue, that we lacked player leadership with the exception of Sean's senior year.
I don't know what CJF can do to change that. If a kid doesn't want to play, you can't force him. And the other players see it too.
Lets hope the new playoff format injects some life back into post-season college football
"Player leadership." How about a coach who cultivates that? People love talking about "culture" but have little concept of what that means.
I would call it a lucky win because OSU outgained PSU 413 to 276 and 5.0 ypp to 4.6 ypp. Not because of the blocked punt TD.
It all evens out because PSU outgained OSU in 2018 and lost, so I would call that a lucky win for OSU.
Listen, here's the deal and the facts, as I see them.
UM cheated. They had a weird coach, cheated, got caught, skirted the NCAA's punishment, then wouldn't cow town to the head coach by giving him cover for cheating, so he split for the NFL.
tOSU is and has been a football factory where their last two coaches were let go for cheating (Tressel) and covering up for an assistant who was accused of abusing his wife (Meyer) and had a few very questionable stops along the say to tOSU (and the NFL after).
Both schools get away with a ton of **** because they are B1G sweethearts. Both had major abuse stories and suffered very little. Contrast that with PSU.
CJF came in and still lives under the shadow of the JS scandals. If you don't think so, tell me how you feel when you get a tour of the lasch building and you look into the locker room and showers. Imagine going up against that when recruiting.
PSU has a lot on its plate because it joined a conference that was and continues to be the Big Two in football. The B1G bastardized the conference in order to hold up those two programs above all others. This isn't new or surprising. It isn't invisible. Everyone sees it. And that includes 17 and 18-year-old kids who are choosing a college program that will launch them into the NFL for prizes and money (did I mention chicks?).
I know people want to dump on CJF. And I know he's made some very questionable game-time decisions. But he's got a lot of headwind most other colleges didn't and don't have. (Did I mention a marginal AD and President?).
let's hope the new teams break the big two mentality and the new playoff format breaths life back into more than three bowl games.
Listen, here's the deal and the facts, as I see them.
UM cheated. They had a weird coach, cheated, got caught, skirted the NCAA's punishment, then wouldn't cow town to the head coach by giving him cover for cheating, so he split for the NFL.
tOSU is and has been a football factory where their last two coaches were let go for cheating (Tressel) and covering up for an assistant who was accused of abusing his wife (Meyer) and had a few very questionable stops along the say to tOSU (and the NFL after).
Both schools get away with a ton of **** because they are B1G sweethearts. Both had major abuse stories and suffered very little. Contrast that with PSU.
CJF came in and still lives under the shadow of the JS scandals. If you don't think so, tell me how you feel when you get a tour of the lasch building and you look into the locker room and showers. Imagine going up against that when recruiting.
PSU has a lot on its plate because it joined a conference that was and continues to be the Big Two in football. The B1G bastardized the conference in order to hold up those two programs above all others. This isn't new or surprising. It isn't invisible. Everyone sees it. And that includes 17 and 18-year-old kids who are choosing a college program that will launch them into the NFL for prizes and money (did I mention chicks?).
I know people want to dump on CJF. And I know he's made some very questionable game-time decisions. But he's got a lot of headwind most other colleges didn't and don't have. (Did I mention a marginal AD and President?).
let's hope the new teams break the big two mentality and the new playoff format breaths life back into more than three bowl games.
He's the guy who agreed to Abdul Carter's wishes and kept him in Happy Valley. This isn't 1969. If a player with that skill set wants to be an edge...he'll play there. If not here, elsewhere. You'd have to be pretty stupid to think teams aren't tampering with and offering $$ to guys like Carter. By the way, if Franklin had lost Abdul Carter to the portal....imagine the weeping and gnashing of teeth from the experts on the BWICAC. you clowns are insufferable.
Carter case doesn't bother me. Now if the position switch doesn't work out, who shoulders the blame (or gets credit it it's successful)?
So you’re cool with never winning a big game. I am sure you like participation trophies also. That is boring, and a good way to become Pitt.
I don't mean this to come off as "snarky," but I think your argument is illogical.
Under such reasoning, in baseball a team that has fewer base hits and fewer runners LOB is "lucky" to win the game, negting the importance of clutch pitching and fielding.
The whole point of the game is to score points/runs regardless of how many yards are gained or hits are made.
Examples:
1. The 1960 NY Yankees outscored the Pirates by a wide margin, but lost the WS. Was Pittsburgh "lucky"? IMO, the Pirates did what they had to do to win 4 games, and the Yankees couldn't. They didn't win because of some outrageous fluke plays.
2. In the 1987 Fiesta Bowl Miami outgained Penn State by a large amount; however, the Lion defense made great plays when it had to for the win. Do you consider that win over Miami "lucky," as well?
Your opinion is as worthy as mine, and we'll simply not agree about what makes a sports win "lucky." To me, it's that Hail Mary pass at the end of a game that is tipped around and "luckily" caught by the offense. Simply being outgained or outhit and still winning is not, in itself, simple "luck."
Gentleman I used the term ”lucky” because I don’t believe we were favored to win. And what another poster stated is we don’t seem to ever win games that we are the underdog.
Why do other team's kids make the plays that lead to upsets but ours never seem to?
That's either a coincidence of epic proportions, or maybe there's some other contributing factor, like coaching.
Franklin only loses games and gets blamed for failure. Coaches kept Parsons at LB and all the resident coaches had clear hindsight that he should have been employed more as an edge rusher. Fanboys are never wrong. Only problem is in spite of their superior knowledge, they don't get paid much. It's because there are so many of them. LOL
I'm not a fanboy.
I'm torn actually. Part of me wants to see James leave. Merely so I can watch the same experts eviscerate the next mortal that occupies the job. However , I am looking forward to the BWICAC meltdown this fall the first time the defense doesn't reflect Saint Manny standards. It's easy to predict that the DC be fanboy target #2.Are we at SEVEN more years yet?
Yep, PSU coaches laugh at teaching players to make big plays. That strip sack and score at OSU was coached to be called back on a hold.
Let's not forget the lucky blocked punt in 16. I mean there this no statute of limitations on loses...
Wanted: a coaching staff that teaches players to make big plays that lead to upsets.
It's not illogical at all. The majority of times that a team outgains (or out hits in baseball) the other team they win the game. That is very logical.
There may be times when a baseball team is outhit and they make some spectacular plays to earn the win, but the majority of the time, they will lose the game.
And I do consider turnovers to often be lucky (not all). Sorry to be a downer, but PSU was very lucky to win the 1987 Fiesta Bowl. We don't want to admit that as fans, but it is true.
Nope. I'm not a finger pointer. It's a bad habit that usually manifests itself in loses.
When we get a turnover it's luck, when we lose one it's bad coaching.