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CJF came in and still lives under the shadow of the JS scandals. If you don't think so, tell me how you feel when you get a tour of the lasch building and you look into the locker room and showers. Imagine going up against that when recruiting.
Doubt it's a much of an issue with teenage recruits that would have been no more than 5-6 years old when that shitstorm was going on.
 

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Doubt it's a much of an issue with teenage recruits that would have been no more than 5-6 years old when that shitstorm was going on.
I was only 5 when the Kent State shootings happened, but guess what I thought of when I went on to that campus. Are you not aware of anything that happened in the world prior to you being 18?
 

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Why shouldn't we be losing to OSU 7 times in a row? They are a more talented team and program than PSU. And have been for over 2 decades.
Precisely Ro.
I am not "rationalizing' anything. I am pragmatic and realisitc. Using any realistic metric, and comparing the two football programs and the two athetic departments, OSU surpasses PSU. It's not just the James Franklin coached teams.

Since you seem to be so focussed on the nubmers....

CJF's teams have lost by an average of 10.56 points per game to OSU
O'Brien's teams lost by an average of 30 points per game to OSU (given it was only two games and one was a runaway, plus....the sanctions)
Joe's teams lost by average of 11.2 points. Slightly worse than CJF, but he had a lot more games to even things out. And he won 3 of the 5 games against OSU since 2001. So he is doing better against OSU than all the coaches PSU has had since he was fired.

They are better than PSU. It's just that simple. The two programs are not on an even keel. And they never have been.
Lots of valid points but OSU was not better in 1994.
 

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Worse programs/teams beat better ones all the time. There is the Auburn example above. And many, many others - from Phil Steele:

From 1997-2022 there were 2,412 teams that were favored by 7.5 to 10 points and of those 2,412 teams there were 627 upsets. That means that 26.0% of the time a team was favored by 7.5 to 10 points they lost outright and that translates into 1 upset every 3.84 games.

Since 1997, 1632 of the 4,623 teams that were underdogs of 3.5 to 7 points have pulled outright upsets and that translates into 1 every 2.83 games or 35.3% of the time.


By consistently losing to Ohio State, Franklin is 'beating' the odds which say he should be winning at least one or two games every three to four times they play. Acknowledging a program is better/more talented is one thing, but using that as an excuse for never beating them is something wildly different.
Uh OSU is not undefeated against Franklin coached teams. In furtherance of Ro’s post, the only Big Ten losses OSU has had since Day became head coach were both to Michigan. The difference between OSU and PSU this year was that Marvin Harrison, Jr (who Penn State recruited heavily) played for OSU.
 

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Or it was coaching that put us in a position to win those games (with less talent) and the players didn’t make the plays necessary to win. I know, novel concept that players have to do anything to win.
Correct.
 

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where's this with less talent come from? besides go watch the tape, lots of errors but put on the kids not the guys getting paid like brain surgeons.
You watch the tape. Pointing out that players from one team are more talented and make more players than players on another team isn’t ripping on the kids. Blaming coaches for losses because of that is nonsense too. My favorite “criticism” of Franklin was the moronic sportswriter who ripped him for his coaching strategy against Michigan State a few years ago. The Spartans score on their first possession. PSU moves the ball but Franklin chooses to punt on 4th and short near midfield. This results in the punt being down on the MSU 1 yard line. Writer claims that this was “stupid” strategy because it “resulted” in the Spartans then going 99 yards to go up by 2 TDs. Naturally, the PSU defenders didn’t have a damn thing to do with that.
 

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We go through this every year with the Coaching vs Jimmy & Joe debate.

Reading both sides of this as objective as possible yes OSU is a powerhouse and has been…yes they have better overall players, they also had/have better overall coaches. Yes they are a better program and yes we are a #7-15 team

We are lucky Lucky we won in 2016.

Got to ask though why haven’t we gotten lucky once or twice more in these contests? Coaching….sorry but we could have won a few more with some ingenuity and creativeness and quite frankly some Balls in play calling.

I don’t know another coach who has made so many knucklehead decisions in game….sorry can’t always conveniently blame the kids for not executing the play lol sorry.

I am hoping, I am praying JF let’s Kotelnicki call the plays and just plays HC and decides to go for it on 4th, punt, fakes go for 2 etc…let this OC run the offense and I bet we win a few close games that we ordinarily wouldn’t have won.

Facts.
How about if you cite some of those “knucklehead” decisions that determined the outcome of those games? The problem IMO opinion is that many posters irrationally blame the coaches, especially Franklin, when the players don’t make plays against superior talent on other teams. This isn’t unique to Penn State; you see it every week where underdogs play close but almost always lose. I remember a coach who won 409 games saying it’s not the Xs and Os but the Jimmies and Joes
Also none of those decisions you mention were decisive in the outcomes of any of those games. Finally stop claiming that your opinions are “facts”.
 
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Franklin only loses games and gets blamed for failure. Coaches kept Parsons at LB and all the resident coaches had clear hindsight that he should have been employed more as an edge rusher. Fanboys are never wrong. Only problem is in spite of their superior knowledge, they don't get paid much. It's because there are so many of them. LOL

I'm not a fanboy.
You do seem to embrace average football. Embrace away because Franklin will be here for years based on his contract.
 

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Nope. I'm not a finger pointer. It's a bad habit that usually manifests itself in loses.
Are you a believer that records mean something or is the only thing that matters is if the tailgate food is good? James record against ranked teams is sad.
 

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You do seem to embrace average football. Embrace away because Franklin will be here for years based on his contract.
I don’t know how to break this news to you but, "we" have nothing to do...no impact on the results of any contests played by the PSU football team. Enjoying or not enjoying the experience of being a fan, is a choice. If being a fan of Penn State football isn't enjoyable, why do it? They don't count on you or me.
Whether they win NC or lose every game....you are still insignificant to the doers of deeds.
 
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Are you a believer that records mean something or is the only thing that matters is if the tailgate food is good? James record against ranked teams is sad.
As a PSU fan, I'd like to win every game. I also know that isn’t going to happen. I'm a fan. I watch and try to enjoy the experience.
Having played and coached the game, here's a little secret. On every game date 50% of competing teams lose. Now PSU in its history wins just under 70% of those games....as does James Franklin in his tenure at PSU. Perhaps you should tailgate more and ***** less.
 

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not really some are stuck in their ways. Ever seen a BB coach when asked why dont you play zone? and the response is, we play Man to Man. Some can't see the forest for the trees. the crying shame is, they ran the same stunt the next year when they had 4 and 7 and to get in FG range, and still couldnt block it!!!
why wouldnt I be watching tape, you can learn alot, you might want to try it sometime.
Yes we should all study game tape. :cool:
 

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Yes we should all study game tape.:cool:
 

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How about if you cite some of those “knucklehead” decisions that determined the outcome of those games? The problem IMO opinion is that many posters irrationally blame the coaches, especially Franklin, when the players don’t make plays against superior talent on other teams. This isn’t unique to Penn State; you see it every week where underdogs play close but almost always lose. I remember a coach who won 409 games saying it’s not the Xs and Os but the Jimmies and Joes
Also none of those decisions you mention were decisive in the outcomes of any of those games. Finally stop claiming that your opinions are “facts”.
And it’s easy to call a decision “knucklehead” after the fact then act like that’s what he should have done all along. Yeah because a fan is knowledgeable enough to see it from their couch while sucking down beer, but a D-1 football coach doesn’t know enough about football.
 
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And it’s easy to call a decision “knucklehead” after the fact then act like that’s what he should have done all along. Yeah because a fan is knowledgeable enough to see it from their couch while sucking down beer, but a D-1 football coach doesn’t know enough about football.

You are way overestimating the difference between the two. More likely the fan on the couch has actual job that takes a real education to perform. These are highly paid gym coaches folks. Settle down.
 

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You are way overestimating the difference between the two. More likely the fan on the couch has actual job that takes a real education to perform. These are highly paid gym coaches folks. Settle down.
Call them highly paid gym coaches, but they still know way more football than fans who sit at home watching (I guarantee that). And there’s way more to running a high level D-1 program than just X’s and O’s….i also guarantee the fan with the education to do their own job couldn’t be a D-1 football coach. Sorry, they don’t pay millions of dollars to someone to do a job any person with a college education could do.
 

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Call them highly paid gym coaches, but they still know way more football than fans who sit at home watching (I guarantee that). And there’s way more to running a high level D-1 program than just X’s and O’s….i also guarantee the fan with the education to do their own job couldn’t be a D-1 football coach. Sorry, they don’t pay millions of dollars to someone to do a job any person with a college education could do.

Sure they do - and college football coach is the perfect example. It’s basically play football > coach. That is it. It’s not hard.
 

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You are way overestimating the difference between the two. More likely the fan on the couch has actual job that takes a real education to perform. These are highly paid gym coaches folks. Settle down.
right......my auto mechanic didn't have a "real education" but he's forgotten more about cars than either of us will ever know
 

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right......my auto mechanic didn't have a "real education" but he's forgotten more about cars than either of us will ever know

He is more likely able to coach a football team than a coach is to fix a car. That is my point.
 

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My mechanic, Blair, fixes the cars properly that he is expected to fix. Sadly, he always falls short on the challenging jobs.

BIG. REPAIR. BLAIR. o_O
 
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Doubt it's a much of an issue with teenage recruits that would have been no more than 5-6 years old when that shitstorm was going on.
I agree it is less than it was before but these kids don't make these decisions in a vacuum. Meaning their adult ride-along remember. And I'll guarantee that the competition brings it up.
 

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It's a silly thing to argue about anyway- it's all about the $$$ now.
 

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I don’t know how to break this news to you but, "we" have nothing to do...no impact on the results of any contests played by the PSU football team. Enjoying or not enjoying the experience of being a fan, is a choice. If being a fan of Penn State football isn't enjoyable, why do it? They don't count on you or me.
Whether they win NC or lose every game....you are still insignificant to the doers of deeds.
Good try at changing the thread, I will remind you that your original point was we are what we are and there should be no complaints about losing all the big games every year. Welcome to being a Pitt fan. PSU can and should be better than average. The football program right now is like the wrestling program before Cael arrived.
 

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Good try at changing the thread, I will remind you that your original point was we are what we are and there should be no complaints about losing all the big games every year. Welcome to being a Pitt fan. PSU can and should be better than average. The football program right now is like the wrestling program before Cael arrived.
yep. it's been like that for 30 years
 

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I agree it is less than it was before but these kids don't make these decisions in a vacuum. Meaning their adult ride-along remember. And I'll guarantee that the competition brings it up.
If the competition brings it up, they're dumber than even I think they are.
 
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Good try at changing the thread, I will remind you that your original point was we are what we are and there should be no complaints about losing all the big games every year. Welcome to being a Pitt fan. PSU can and should be better than average. The football program right now is like the wrestling program before Cael arrived.
You are in LA la land. Penn State in its history wins 68% of its games. That's Franklin's record as well. PSU is in fact, better than average.
 

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He is more likely able to coach a football team than a coach is to fix a car. That is my point.
Well there are 332,000,000 people in the USA. There are about 65 power 5 football head coaches. Makes sense that the other 331 million + could be D1 head coaches if they wanted to be.:oops:
 

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Well there are 332,000,000 people in the USA. There are about 65 power 5 football head coaches. Makes sense that the other 331 million + could be D1 head coaches if they wanted to be.:oops:
Not all, but more than 300 (let's use that number for the sake of argument). The number is small because few choose to follow the path needed to get there.
 
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Then you obviously made a bad career decision.

Did I? You know what they say about assuming…outside of being a parent to my own kids, I’d rather not be beholden to the whims of teenagers. If you can’t do, coach. Later Ludd.
 

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Then you obviously made a bad career decision.
There is definitely a personality disorder present when a keyboard fanboy even remotely (pun intended) thinks he could have been or has 1/10000 of the knowledge and skills needed to be a D1 HFC.
I do miss the comic section we used to get in the Sunday papers, at least the laughs are here.
 

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Did I? You know what they say about assuming…outside of being a parent to my own kids, I’d rather not be beholden to the whims of teenagers. If you can’t do, coach. Later Ludd.
Bet you can't do either.
" I coulda been a contender." LOL
 

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Not all, but more than 300 (let's use that number for the sake of argument). The number is small because few choose to follow the path needed to get there.
Another excuse. I could be in great shape...but . I didn't follow the path to get there. A chronic lover's refrain.
 

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Good try at changing the thread, I will remind you that your original point was we are what we are and there should be no complaints about losing all the big games every year. Welcome to being a Pitt fan. PSU can and should be better than average. The football program right now is like the wrestling program before Cael arrived.
Unhappy fans have always had the portal.
 

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Not everyone has a burning desire to be a college football coach.
I get it. They'd rather sit at home and ***** about the guys who do. No work, commitment, experience or knowledge needed to be a world class Monday morning fanboy.I
 

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Did I? You know what they say about assuming…outside of being a parent to my own kids, I’d rather not be beholden to the whims of teenagers. If you can’t do, coach. Later Ludd.
Had you chosen that route, you may have made it to the high school level and you probably knew that, which is why you didn’t choose that career. Not as easy as you think it is obviously.