Strong field of finalists this year. You've got to think Renfroe and Wahl are the two favorites, but the others look good too. Looking at it objectively, I have no idea which one I would give it to. Both have had dominant seasons. Renfroe leads the SEC in HR (15), slugging % (.750) and is tied for 3rd in batting (.390). Wahl is 9-0 with a 1.43 ERA and opponents are batting .143 off of him.
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Still hard to believe with what Holder has accomplished over the past 2 seasons that he didn't at least make the list of nominees. I mean just this year the dude is 2-0 with 13 saves and an ERA of 1.19 which is lower than Wahl's and opponents are batting .156 off of him which is only just above Wahl's number. The only preference Wahl is likely getting is due to him being a starter versus Holder a reliever.
Tough call, but I'd give it to Renfroe. Especially if MSU ends up hosting. Renfroe has a very strong case for SEC POY, but the writers will likely give it to Katz because of his team's success.
That's the way I'm leaning too, but I'm not sure if that's not just the bias in me saying that. And yeah, maroonmania, Holder definitely deserves to be in that same group with Renfroe and Wahl. I suspect it's because he's only a soph. (not that that should be a good enough reason to leave him out).
hard to argue against renfroe or wahl, but if wahl stays undefeated till then it would be hard not to go for a dominant pitcher.
IMO you have to give the award to Renfroe and honestly that's not bias at all. That is just taking into account that the hardest thing to do in sports is hit a baseball. Arguably the best pitching a college player will see is in the SEC as well. So for him to be putting up those numbers against the pitching that he has to face is pretty damn special. That's not to take anything away from Wahl, the guy has stellar stuff. Its just a lot harder to hit than it is to pitch
I guess, but seems like it's easier to be a dominate pitcher in today's college baseball than a dominate hitter. Ross mitchell is 9-0 with a 1.28 ERA as well. Holder has outstanding pitching numbers, especially in save situations. Wahl is tied for 4th in the SEC in wins, he's had a great year - no question, but alot of pitchers around the SEC have similar numbers.
Not many batters around the SEC have Hunter Renfroe numbers. Just my opinion though.
I think each school gets to nominate just one of their own players, then media folks choose the Ole Miss candidate. Pretty sure that's how MS Hall of Fame awards go.
Renfroe is our best player, but even if you consider Holder just as good or important, Renfroe got the nod because he is leaving after this summer. Holder has a junior campaign and will likely be our nominee next year.
Has a closer ever won?
pitchers are as a group the highest paid in mlb so IMO its hard to value a great hitter over a great pitcher. talent being equal, the pitcher is a more valuable commodity therefore the nod would go to wahl IF all things were/are equal. bottom line is either would be a good choice and i don't think the one who comes in second can really complain. good arguments for both.
If it's judged like the Conerly, then Hunter should win it since we won the game Wahl pitched in against us.*
Snap that mother17er in two pieces.
Really, a shame one of them won't win it. Probably goes to Wahl, it's the year of ole miss media love.
Really, a shame one of them won't win it. Probably goes to Wahl, it's the year of ole miss media love.
I know pitchers are paid more, but that has nothing to do with what is harder. It is absolutely more difficult to hit than it is to pitch. How much one is paid for doing either is irrelevant. I do, however, agree with your other point that either way it could be justified.
Wahl should receive the award...
..we played our arch rival in 3 critical games over the weekend & Hunter Renfroe slept walked through all 3 games. Big-time players step up in big-time games. Except for a few random occurrences, Renfroe was nowhere to be found in Oxford. Trophy goes to Wahl.
..we played our arch rival in 3 critical games over the weekend & Hunter Renfroe slept walked through all 3 games. Big-time players step up in big-time games. Except for a few random occurrences, Renfroe was nowhere to be found in Oxford. Trophy goes to Wahl.
Based upon your reasoning, the trophy should go to Mayers....
since he had the best game of all pitchers in the rivalry series.
since he had the best game of all pitchers in the rivalry series.
I can argue against Wahl. His 9 wins? TCU, Rhode Island, FIU, Lipscomb, UPig, A&M, Bama, Tennessee, and Auburn. Not exactly the greatest teams. Renfroe has had success against EVERYONE. Not just the crappy teams.
Counterpoint: Renfroe went 0 for 4 against Wahl Sunday with two strikeouts looking, so I wouldn't say EVERYONE. Then again, Renfroe had to play two entire baseball games on Saturday, which some say was blatantly unfair.
/don't really much care who wins, either would be deserving
This.
Holder has been the most dominant pitcher in college baseball this year and that's a fact Jack.
In SEC Play
K%.... Holder 41.3%.. Wahl 19.5%
BB%.. Holder 6.5%.... Wahl 10.7%
AVG... Holder .159.... Wahl .165
K/BB... Holder 6.33.... Wahl 1.82
ERA.... Holder 0.36.... Wahl 1.24
WHIP.. Holder 0.77.... Wahl 1.01
XBH/IP Holder 0.08.... Wahl 0.21
FIP..... Holder 1.40.... Wahl 3.16
Holder deserves this award. Wahl can eat a dick
Since its basically 50-50 between these guys, I bet Renfroe wins since OM players won the football and basketball awards.
Based on my reasoning...
...our version of Roy Hobbs showed up for 3 games vs. our arch rival & disappeared for the weekend. If you want the trophy, you play award-winning ball when your talents are needed the most. If you think Mayers is the Rebels' version of Roy Hobbs, then here is your chance to tell that story.
...our version of Roy Hobbs showed up for 3 games vs. our arch rival & disappeared for the weekend. If you want the trophy, you play award-winning ball when your talents are needed the most. If you think Mayers is the Rebels' version of Roy Hobbs, then here is your chance to tell that story.
seriously??? ever heard of supply and demand.....?
nfl qb's are the highest paid cause they are scarce as hen's teeth, same with nfl corners. mlb is no different the more of a commodity to choose from the lower the cost. you must be an engineer.....stay away from business.
nfl qb's are the highest paid cause they are scarce as hen's teeth, same with nfl corners. mlb is no different the more of a commodity to choose from the lower the cost. you must be an engineer.....stay away from business.
So your argument is that its harder to pitch than it is to hit, are you serious or retarded? If a hitter has a career average of .300-.333 history says there is an excellent chance of that hitter getting into the HOF. That tells you right there that a pitcher, even against a HOF hitter is going to succeed around 70% of the time. If a hitter can succeed around 30% of the time and make the HOF, you tell me what's more difficult. Hell, I'm a pitcher and know this. If I stay out of business, please, stay out of baseball
And your "supply and demand" is referencing a singular position, pitcher, whereas hitters are made up of 9 other positions.(I included DH) so yes, there is a smaller "supply" of pitchers vs hitters when you use skewed numbers like that
And your "supply and demand" is referencing a singular position, pitcher, whereas hitters are made up of 9 other positions.(I included DH) so yes, there is a smaller "supply" of pitchers vs hitters when you use skewed numbers like that
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Hmmm awfully small sample size there, considering the award is for the best player in the state throughout the entire year. But I could understand an Ole Miss fan having a hard time with this because I'm sure you justified Wallace winning the Conerly...
My view is it is a toss-up for Wahl and Renfroe, you could easily make a case for either.
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Wahl has yet to leave a game this season without a lead. Can that be said for Mitchell? Wahl also has 5 SEC starts that ended in no-decision. The biggest thing that sticks out with Wahl to me is that all of his pitching numbers are better in SEC play than OOC. Other than HRs, most of Renfroe's numbers are worse in SEC (which is expected with any player).
Wahl has had success against everyone. That's why he has zero losses and a minuscule ERA.
You just compared the stats of a guy who usually pitches late in games and is able to throw 100% every pitch because he's expecting to last 6 outs at a maximum to a starting Friday night pitcher? Really? And you pretend to understand baseball?