FIRE STANS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Must be killing you Coach, MSU is playing well today and Houston is not that bad. I know it will bother you but just maybe these young kids are improving.
I think not. Osby and Bailey have earned the right to more minutes after their play today. Stewart needs to be a 20-25 minute man, no more. And Ravern Johnson needs to be the guy taking the shots on this team, he's earned it. Stains offense still sucks ***.
since they both like to talk about how their dream job is the Mississippi State job. Being that we're the mecca of college basketball and all, I can understand their reason for such interest.
Coach, I didn't say we were worldbeaters but unfortunately you are showing your true colors by not giving credit when it is due either. We played well today and Jarvis played very little so go sulk somewhere else because most folks want us to improve and get better but I guess that isn't what you want. By the way, Tom Pender is not a bad coach either but he is getting his butt handed to him today.
but with Ricky it will just be "lather, rinse, repeat" the next time we are in a close game or when we play good opponents. We are going to limp to a 16-15 or 17-14 record this year with people standing around on offense, or launching 3's against zones, inexplicable switches to zone defense, numerous turnovers, and the like...
Same ****- different year
Same ****- different year
May be, but that is why he is coaching in the bigtime and you are pecking away on a keyboard acting like an expert. If he wins over 17, I guess you'll say the league was down or he was lucky. Get a life and give credit when it is due. If you want to complain about a coach and his team that holds a team to 28% shooting, so be it.
Did you not learn anything from the "we can't get anybody to coach our football team" crowd? Just like was the case in football, we are a goddamn SEC team that can pay over a million to a coach. Nobody said a f'n thing about hiring somebody like Roy Williams, but I can guarandamntee you that there will be 10-12 coaches from mid-majors this year that make a impact in the tourney over the next couple of years that would love a shot at a job in the SEC. Can it with the woe is me we can't do any better ********.
Undefeated ON THE ROAD in the SEC
20+ wins a season on average
Multiple SEC West Championships
Conference Tourney Championships
When have we done any of those things in football, dumbass? Please enlighten me.
This is not a woe is me attitude, it's knowing that what you currently have just isn't so bad. Look at UK when they got rid of Tubby Smith. Look at Nebraska when they ran off Frank Solich. Look at Auburn when they ran off Tuberville. You fukcing idiots that think we're UCLA, Duke, UNC and KU are just that. Idiots. We are an attractive SEC school, yes, but to dismiss the success Stans has had while he's been here is utterly ridiculous. Dumfukc!!
20+ wins a season on average
Multiple SEC West Championships
Conference Tourney Championships
When have we done any of those things in football, dumbass? Please enlighten me.
This is not a woe is me attitude, it's knowing that what you currently have just isn't so bad. Look at UK when they got rid of Tubby Smith. Look at Nebraska when they ran off Frank Solich. Look at Auburn when they ran off Tuberville. You fukcing idiots that think we're UCLA, Duke, UNC and KU are just that. Idiots. We are an attractive SEC school, yes, but to dismiss the success Stans has had while he's been here is utterly ridiculous. Dumfukc!!
if we bring in an assistant to replace a coach that has won 64 percent of his games, we'll look like massive idiots. And hiring an assistant is what we did in football.
You want to replace a coach with Stansbury's resume, you damn sure better get a coach that has won as many or more games at a similar level of competition. None of this mid-major ********.
You want to replace a coach with Stansbury's resume, you damn sure better get a coach that has won as many or more games at a similar level of competition. None of this mid-major ********.
Mid-major coaches are a roll of the dice. Some have panned out (Bruce Pearl). Some have not (Stan Heath). So are assistants. Look at all the Duke assistants that have flamed out when they got their big job. With what we have now, replacing him with either of those is a risk we cannot afford to take.
at what point do you replace him?
I am just curious if you are arguing about replacing him right now or replacing him after the 2010 season assuming we don't make the dance in the next 2 years. Because everything I say is basing off the assumption we won't make the dance the next 2 years.
I am just curious if you are arguing about replacing him right now or replacing him after the 2010 season assuming we don't make the dance in the next 2 years. Because everything I say is basing off the assumption we won't make the dance the next 2 years.
he definitely deserves to be on the hot seat if we can't get back to the tourney in the next two years. But I also believe it is impossible to replace him with a coach of a comparable record and achievement. We will have to roll the dice, and if we crap out, we will look like idiots.
It is definitely going to be near impossible to find someone with the same accolades as Stansbury. It will be a risk.
I just wanted to make sure that y'all were aGAINST replacing him if the next 2 years play out as I outlined.
I just wanted to make sure that y'all were aGAINST replacing him if the next 2 years play out as I outlined.
of course Stansbury had been here and had been acknowledged by everyone outside the Association of Former Grenada Coaches Association as the recruiter on the staff. But of course, at the time, we'd had two straight losing seasons (not missed the tourney, losing seasons). No hot commodity would have come here, and we rolled the dice with the assistant and got lucky. I play enough craps to tell you we'd be pushing our luck rolling them aGAIN.
You are wrong on that one codedawg. LT gave the job to Duane Reboul but Dr. Portera stepped in and stopped it. That is exactly why LT hated Rick. For all the Stans haters, they are clueless. This crap has been going on on this board for several years because Coach and few of his compadres can never give any credit. If we had a football coach who had the success Stans has had, he'd be here for life. You don't go undefeated on the road in this league if you can't coach. If they can't see that Jarvis has improved and Ravern , Bost, and Osby will only get better, then they know nothing about basketball. All the crap about shooting threes is just that. What in the hell are we supposed to do with basically a 4 guard lineup? When we shoot well, we have a chance. Hopefully Elgin and Brian can give some help but the season has a long way to go.
be our coach forever. Some talk about our Stansbury's weak non conference basketball schedule...do they think our football non conference schedule is any tougher? All coaches can be second guessed and they all are! Our basketball program is solid and this talk of firing Stansbury is totally ridiculous. Don't fire back with the "transfer" arguement or the "he can't get past the first round" arguement or he never runs set plays. I am sick of those.</p>
non-conference schedule in football is 33% of your schedule...and we have been using one of those to play a quality team (West Virginia and Ga Tech)...
non-conference in basketball is almost 50% of the schedule and we may play one top-notch opponent a year in basketball
Our basketball program is not solid. 1 trip to the NCAA Tourney in 4 years in not solid
non-conference in basketball is almost 50% of the schedule and we may play one top-notch opponent a year in basketball
Our basketball program is not solid. 1 trip to the NCAA Tourney in 4 years in not solid
Can you not at MSU schedule 4 non-conference patsies and go 3-5 every year in football? Then get that occasional 8-4 or 9-3 year to boost it up? Let's say Croom had gone.....
5-7
7-6
7-6
8-5
8-5
That's only 58 percent winning percentage. How many inches of Croom's shaft would be in your mouth right now? And that wouldn't win you the West or the SEC one single time.
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5-7
7-6
7-6
8-5
8-5
That's only 58 percent winning percentage. How many inches of Croom's shaft would be in your mouth right now? And that wouldn't win you the West or the SEC one single time.
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These freshmen point guards need to mature over the next two seasons, along with Osby. Stans has earned, with his record, the opportunity to get his point guards into their 3rd year. We will still be young again next year (I know, I know...we're young every year...blah, blah blah) but we won't be in 2011. If we can't develop Twanny, Bost, and Osby to be an SEC contender and definite Tourney birth, then Stans needs to be gone.
We went to the Tourney just last season and lost our 3 best players. Some of y'all's expectations are simply way too high now. And it's because Stansbury has made them that way (woe is me, blah blah blah). It's tough to recover from what we lost and now our whole team is basically freshmen and sophomores. If he can't hold the nucleus that he currently has together and make the Tourney by 2011, we should cut ties, but I feel confident he will. And possibly next season. With Stans as coach, we will be fine.
We went to the Tourney just last season and lost our 3 best players. Some of y'all's expectations are simply way too high now. And it's because Stansbury has made them that way (woe is me, blah blah blah). It's tough to recover from what we lost and now our whole team is basically freshmen and sophomores. If he can't hold the nucleus that he currently has together and make the Tourney by 2011, we should cut ties, but I feel confident he will. And possibly next season. With Stans as coach, we will be fine.
"HD6 is right and I have no leg to stand on."
If it's so easy to win 20 games per year, how come it's not routine nationally? Instead, 20 wins is considered a milestone. We have a guy who has won multiple championships and at least has us in the hunt for bigger things. Like it's been said by HD6 and me and others, if we had a football coach that had done that, they'd rename the school after him. Hell, in 2000, just about every State fan massaged Jackie Sherrill's balls on a daily basis, and he was nowhere near winning 64% of his games.
From 1991 to 2000:
7-5, 7-5, 3-6-2, 8-4, 3-8, 5-6, 7-4, 8-5, 10-2, 8-4. That's a whopping 66-49-2, or 57%. And those 1993 and 1995 teams were just as bad as any of the 2001-2003 **** we saw.
If it's so easy to win 20 games per year, how come it's not routine nationally? Instead, 20 wins is considered a milestone. We have a guy who has won multiple championships and at least has us in the hunt for bigger things. Like it's been said by HD6 and me and others, if we had a football coach that had done that, they'd rename the school after him. Hell, in 2000, just about every State fan massaged Jackie Sherrill's balls on a daily basis, and he was nowhere near winning 64% of his games.
From 1991 to 2000:
7-5, 7-5, 3-6-2, 8-4, 3-8, 5-6, 7-4, 8-5, 10-2, 8-4. That's a whopping 66-49-2, or 57%. And those 1993 and 1995 teams were just as bad as any of the 2001-2003 **** we saw.
He has done a solid job at State, but 1 Tourney appearance in 5 years isnt good enough to me. And i'm betting it wont be good enough for the Ninja either.
We didnt lose our 3 best players last year, we lost our top 2. Jarvis was without a doubt our 3rd best player. Should Jarvis stay for his Senior season, there is no reason we shouldnt be dancing in 2010. And he should be fired if we dont. Returning 5 starters in college basketball is rare, and should be taken advantage of.</p>
We didnt lose our 3 best players last year, we lost our top 2. Jarvis was without a doubt our 3rd best player. Should Jarvis stay for his Senior season, there is no reason we shouldnt be dancing in 2010. And he should be fired if we dont. Returning 5 starters in college basketball is rare, and should be taken advantage of.</p>
Five of our fifteen (33%) OOC opponents in basketball played in the NCAAT the year before.
One of our four OOC (25%) opponents in football played in postseason the year before.
What makes these numbers all the more dissimilar is the fact that less than 20% of basketball teams make the NCAAT while 57% of football teams made bowls. Therefore, it is almost three times more likely that a football team will make a bowl game than a basketball team will make it to the NCAAT. Even with that tremendous mathematical disparity, the football team managed to schedule a smaller proportion of its OOC opponents against postseason teams from the year prior than did the basketball team.
"HD6 is right and I have no leg to stand on."
No moron, there is no point in arguing with someone that agrees with you.
"Instead, 20 wins is considered a milestone"
actually, its not. 20 wins doesnt even guarantee a spot in the NCAA Tourney anymore. Teams are winning 20 games with much more regularity across the nation. Scheduling 10 ****** non-conference teams will get you 10 wins, plus averaging 8-8 in conference will get you to 18 wins before the SEC Tourney. Nobody can deny its easier to win in basketball and baseball than it is in football.
I'll ask you aGAIN- do you think Ricky should keep his job if we dont make the Tourney in 2009 and 2010?
No moron, there is no point in arguing with someone that agrees with you.
"Instead, 20 wins is considered a milestone"
actually, its not. 20 wins doesnt even guarantee a spot in the NCAA Tourney anymore. Teams are winning 20 games with much more regularity across the nation. Scheduling 10 ****** non-conference teams will get you 10 wins, plus averaging 8-8 in conference will get you to 18 wins before the SEC Tourney. Nobody can deny its easier to win in basketball and baseball than it is in football.
I'll ask you aGAIN- do you think Ricky should keep his job if we dont make the Tourney in 2009 and 2010?
Agree to disagree. He has done enough for me in the past that I will give him 3 years to develop this class and make the Tourney. I think we'll be dancing next year anyways, but even if we're not, he gets that next year. And if we go 3 years in a row and 1 out of 5 without making it, I'll say he may need to go. Until then, he gets my 100% support.
our offense ad nauseum like he does with Stansbury and want Croom fired because we don't run enough gadget plays. Like after the end of last season, he never gave Croom credit for winning eight games, we were just simply lucky. Even if that is the case, you still have to give credit where credit is due.
Only difference between his Croom schtick and his Stansbury schtick is that firing Croom at least made sense on some level, firing Stansbury doesn't.
And about football scheduling- I always found it shameful that LT never helped Croom out by padding our schedule with cupcakes. Yeah, we might lose to a Tulane, but we would always have the random out of the blue win that would cancel that out. We're the last people that need to worry about BCS rank.
Only difference between his Croom schtick and his Stansbury schtick is that firing Croom at least made sense on some level, firing Stansbury doesn't.
And about football scheduling- I always found it shameful that LT never helped Croom out by padding our schedule with cupcakes. Yeah, we might lose to a Tulane, but we would always have the random out of the blue win that would cancel that out. We're the last people that need to worry about BCS rank.