Florida St. loses $500K on its ACC championship game appearance.
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I don't think you will be able to get florida and south carolina to go along with that.
Clemson brings nothing to the SEC. FSU would, but the SEC isn't going to do that to Florida. Plus, after FSU turned the SEC down in 1990, I suspect the SEC's attitude is "they had their chance, they're not getting another one." The SEC's targets to the east would be North Carolina and Virginia Tech if/when the SEC expands again. Which I don't think will be for several years.
Why does it matter what they think? Does it have to be a unanimous vote or just majority for the SEC to allow another member?
Alabama and Mississippi both have two teams so why can't Florida and South Carolina. Those two make the most sense to be the next members if we expand, which I kind of hope we don't.
It's not about which schools make the best fit. It's about which neighboring states that already touch other SEC states and don't have an SEC school already. They need the state to not have an SEC school so they can make the SEC Network included in every cable subscribers package. Adding FSU or Clemson does nothing because those two states will already be required to carry the SEC Network on their cable package. The two schools will be from North Carolina and Virginia. That leaves 4 schools and only 2 will be added. North Carolina, NCState, Virginia and Virginia Tech. As much as UNC says they aren't leaving the ACC or Duke behind I just can't see them turning down close to $75 million a year and allowing NCState to get a huge advantage over them. They will leave Duke at the alter and your two new SEC schools will be the University of North Carolina and Virginia Tech. Two absolute homeruns.
There's a lot of unc/duke package deal rumors. The sec doesn't need another football power, and this move would give the sec 3 of the 5 best CBB programs of all time (unc, duke, ky) plus a top 5 or so program the last 15 years (Florida).
You could be right about that. It depends on how aggressive the Big 10 is in trying to expand their presense in the southeast. They may have screwed up by taking Maryland though, because the ACC is stronger after swapping Maryland for Louisville than they were before. My guess is, if they could have gotten a mid-level or upper-level ACC school they would have instead of picking up a bottom feeder. But if the ACC were to destabalize, the SEC would not let that opportunity pass them by. As long as the ACC is stable, I think the SEC will bide its time though. I don't think the SEC wants to be seen as the conference that destroyed other conferences.
Yes they do. They bring a big, passionate fanbase and a regional brand. Not to mention commitment to athletics. They would give the SEC more substance, better matchups and a better product. Long term, they would be an excellent choice. Florida State is right there as well. Both would be outstanding additions, and they 'fit' the SEC.
North Carolina and/or Virginia Tech should only be added after all hope that Clemson/FSU would come is extinguished. I know you're thinking about the TV footprint, but I'll say it once again - that is stupid and short term money grabbing at its finest.
North Carolina and/or Virginia Tech should only be added after all hope that Clemson/FSU would come is extinguished. I know you're thinking about the TV footprint, but I'll say it once again - that is stupid and short term money grabbing at its finest.
Maryland was the only ACC team willing to risk having to eat the $50 ACC exit fee. If Maryland can negotiate it down to $20 million or so, it sets a precedent and the ACC is done. I predict the Big 10 goes to 18 with Georgia Tech, Virginia, North Carolina, and Duke, and the SEC to 16 with NC State and Virginia Tech. Of course, the SEC would prefer UNC to NC State, so it could end up being Syracuse or BC to the Big 10 instead.
The remaining good ACC programs (Clemson, Florida State, Miami, Pittsburgh) will wind up in the Big 12, while Wake Forest and the other dregs may end up in the "Big East", which is essentially a rebranded CUSA now.
The remaining good ACC programs (Clemson, Florida State, Miami, Pittsburgh) will wind up in the Big 12, while Wake Forest and the other dregs may end up in the "Big East", which is essentially a rebranded CUSA now.
Who cares? That's a terrible line of thinking from SC and Florida. Competition only makes everyone better.
And don't throw out the Southern Miss stuff either, with MSU and Ole Miss holding them back. If they joined the SEC, we'd kill them. We still have more resources and a better brand. And with them playing an SEC schedule, they'd be 3-9 every year.
And don't throw out the Southern Miss stuff either, with MSU and Ole Miss holding them back. If they joined the SEC, we'd kill them. We still have more resources and a better brand. And with them playing an SEC schedule, they'd be 3-9 every year.
UNC and Duke would be awesome. I'm all for it. I just don't want to go and get another team out of the geographical region like aTm because of the difficulty it causes traveling for the fans and teams (i.e. west virginia or virginia)
VA Tech has been more relevant nationally in football than Clemson has been over the last 20 years. 193 wins for VA Tech vs only 140 for Clemson. Even UNC is only 8 wins behind Clemson in that time frame. And what UNC brings to the table in every other sport is more than enough to compensate for that, especially considering all the money UNC has recently put into their football program. The SEC would be fools to take Clemson over either of those schools.
I wouldn't say a&m is out of the region. And a&m brought a whole lot of TVs with them. And opened up the door a little wider into the sec recruiting Texas.
You're thinking it's the SEC...
deciding the two schools will come from North Carolina and Virginia and it's not. ESPN, CBS and the SEC Network (this one confuses me) are telling the SEC they must have new cable subscribers in order to write a huge new check to the SEC each year. The only way the SEC can do this is by adding two schools in two separate states they don't already exist in. North Carolina and Virginia.
Tradition, fanbase, commitment to athletics, academics etc... all matter but they only determine who wins the lottery ticket in the states of North Carolina and Virginia. So UNC beats NCState and Virginia Tech beats Virginia but that's where those other qualities end. Clemson can not offer millions of more cable subscribers so even if they had won the last 100 basketball National Championships in a row they would not be taken over North Carolina because many many more people watch football over basketball.
ESPN isn't going to write 4 billion dollar checks because Clemson and FSU "fit" better in the SEC. When all is said and done they don't give a ****. They have to make money to give out that money. So again it's all about football TV dollars and what the SEC can offer in terms of people watching football. Thank you Alabama, LSU and Florida. Their dominance in football along with the correct timing with the cable networks has created a domino effect that will make all 14-16 SEC schools loaded financially for many years to come. MSU has gotten so lucky and I love every second of it.
deciding the two schools will come from North Carolina and Virginia and it's not. ESPN, CBS and the SEC Network (this one confuses me) are telling the SEC they must have new cable subscribers in order to write a huge new check to the SEC each year. The only way the SEC can do this is by adding two schools in two separate states they don't already exist in. North Carolina and Virginia.
Tradition, fanbase, commitment to athletics, academics etc... all matter but they only determine who wins the lottery ticket in the states of North Carolina and Virginia. So UNC beats NCState and Virginia Tech beats Virginia but that's where those other qualities end. Clemson can not offer millions of more cable subscribers so even if they had won the last 100 basketball National Championships in a row they would not be taken over North Carolina because many many more people watch football over basketball.
ESPN isn't going to write 4 billion dollar checks because Clemson and FSU "fit" better in the SEC. When all is said and done they don't give a ****. They have to make money to give out that money. So again it's all about football TV dollars and what the SEC can offer in terms of people watching football. Thank you Alabama, LSU and Florida. Their dominance in football along with the correct timing with the cable networks has created a domino effect that will make all 14-16 SEC schools loaded financially for many years to come. MSU has gotten so lucky and I love every second of it.
This is correct.
The only way FSU or Clemson ever join the SEC is if a couple decades from now, the entire system of making and distributing money has changed and cultural fit matters again.
The only way FSU or Clemson ever join the SEC is if a couple decades from now, the entire system of making and distributing money has changed and cultural fit matters again.