It all depends on how you look at it. I think it takes a heck of a disciplined team to not let 30 penalties for 300 years affect the outcome of the game. I think ESL did well not responding to what was happening. Great job by the boys in the orange and blue. On to next week.
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You: “unless you are prepared to tell us the out of state record…
me: gave you loyolas out of state record.
You: that’s not what I asked.
me:Hahaha
Lol you got it man. I've already identified you as an unserious poster when you said there aren't any real football teams in illinois
Hahaha. Could a few teams beat some of the best in the nation? Absolutely. Can estl do that as well? Not usually.
You aren't very bright. I hope that made sense in your head before you typed it.
Bishop Gorman, img, st john Bosco would all do MC bad I don’t know why people think otherwise
Don't forget the Atascocita team from Texas, which East Side played in 2023. Scored on every single possession in a 43-13 absolute demolition. Might be the best team I have seen the Flyers play in the past couple of seasons.
No dog in the fight here, but honest question, why did ESL do their postgame gathering and breakdown on the Glenwood logo at the 50?
Watching the end of the game that struck me as something that could be perceived as disrespectful.
Normally each team shakes up and goes to one side of the field or end zone and the other team goes the opposite way.
Watching the end of the game that struck me as something that could be perceived as disrespectful.
Normally each team shakes up and goes to one side of the field or end zone and the other team goes the opposite way.
Esl has played 8 games (IMG 3x, BG, SFA 2x, BC, Atascocita) vs teams better than any other out of state opponent illinois schools played. CBC is about the level of team most of the bigger illinois schools play. Esl is 2-0 vs them.
Can't say for sure. But the endzone opposite of the locker room is open and fans/students can walk right on to the field with no barrier. Probably not the best area to do a post game huddle.
Chaos forced the location. It wasn’t a celebration, it was a postgame knee that never really happened.
That is a really interesting and unique take on that 2011 game between SHG and JCA. JC went up 28-0 in quarter 1 by virtue of the wind tunnel blowing though Memorial Stadium. SHG had the wind in their face rendering their offense inoperable.
Became 28-7 in q2 when the sides of the field switched. I believe it was 35-7 at half but it may have still been 28-7. JC scored again to make it 42-7 midway through third, still no running clock. Ensuing kickoff into the wind hung up in the air and SHG mishandled it. This was the third “unintentional onside” kick of the day recovered by JC. Just high kicks that were beat back by the wind and traveled 30 ish yards and hit the ground and bounced funny. Frustrating for SHG for sure, but not at all intentional.
Anyway, now that it’s late in the third quarter and a 35 point deficit, I believe the starters punched in the last score to make it 49-7 and run the clock. Defensive starters begin the next drive and gat subbed out throughout drive. Offensive subs run the single JC offensive drive of the running clock fourth quarter.
Really not sure what you wanted JC to do in that game . It was 35-7 and their starters scored midway through the third to make it 42-7. The crazy wind gave JC the ball back right away on the weird kickoff. Sure, they could have subbed that first play off the weird kickoff I suppose. But given the sieve of a defense we all saw the next week and SHG’s reputation as a proficient passing attack, I think shutting the door with the starters getting the clock running makes a lot of sense. Then once the clock is running the game is mathematically over and it’s time to sub.
I assume your frustration 14 years later is that you think JC’s hall of fame head coach left his offensive starters for one play too many off a turnover? Leonard seemed to totally understand the situation after the game as well.
seems interesting that a stretch of literally 2-3 minutes of game time being the disagreement of when to start subbing are enough to call an individual’s honor, integrity, and character into question.
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Just checked the box score from the SJR article. Looks like it was only 28-7 at half.
Isaac had two approx. 50 yard runs early in q3 to make it 42-7 and put him over 200 yards. After the weird kickoff middle of 3rd Malin Jones ran in the last score to start the running clock. That was listed as a 34 yard run.
Non starters and the fullback were listed as combining for 12 carries, most of them in the abbreviated late third or fourth quarter.
So the only debate given the box score is whether malin jones should have been allowed to punch in the last score from 34 yards out after a wonky kickoff. Sure you can argue they could have put the subs in right then and there with a 35 point lead. But the possibility of a substitute center, QB, or RB fumbling the ball is real and the swing of a 35 point lead becoming only 28 points instead of 42 is a legitimate concern, esp when getting to 40 runs the clock and mathematically closes the door. If it was 49-0 with an already running clock and malin jones or Ty Isaac were still ripping off 60 yard runs, that is a much more clearly defined running up of the score. Simply getting to a running clock mid to late q3 to shut the door on a respected opponent capable of scoring in bunches just sounds like smart football rather than running up the score.
and ratsy already acknowledged the fact the JC defense was porous the following week and against spread teams in general. So to go into cruise control/wholesale sub mode with a 35 point lead and the clock still stopping regularly against a potent SHG attack seems like it would be coaching malpractice.
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At the moment that I’m typing this, this ESL based thread has 298 comments; uniquely equating to the number of yards that we were penalized today. Funny……..
“Haters gone hate” and the proverbial losers will lose! Stripes included!
All.... Can't recall. But I do seem to remember after nimrod risked his players to injury and not taking his starters out playing them late the Broncos layed a 70 on them in the final. the following week. lol RatsyWasn't Chatham the team that ran another touchdown with a few seconds left vs Providence Catholic a few years ago? Was that the same coaching staff
All.... Yes on to round three . Can't find who your team is getting ready to play. Oh wait.... Ratsy
Thank you for this comment. You're saying that it's levels to this correct. Chatham was not on the same level as ESL, with all the "scrappy" vs "undisciplined" NARRATIVES!!!! 40 PT loss on your field. Let's not lose sight of that with the discussion of bad officiating. I find it hilarious that people actually believe that ESL is the most undisciplined team you've ever seen for one half, and can just hit a switch in the second half. STOP IT! All of you. If you don't like ESL and how the program is run. Or all the shine the get and you might think there are better teams in the state, that's one thing. That should not allow you to go through life feeling like what you saw today from that officiating crew was ok.
It’s been 14 years. Take a deep breath and let it all go on the exhale.
All..... After the game videos channel1450. Ratsy
Instant Reaction: Flyers Head Coach Darren Sunkett Talks Win Over Glenwood | Channel 1450
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Instant Reaction: Flyers Head Coach Darren Sunkett Talks Win Over Glenwood | Channel 1450
Instant Reaction: Glenwood Football Talks Loss to East St. Louis | Channel 1450
My take on yesterday‘s game is that the Flyers viewed it as practice. It was an opportunity to work on the passing game against another team as opposed to handing the ball to Johnson Cook to run wild out of the gate. Someone commented that the office of coordinator was overthinking things. I think the Flyers used a very basic playbook for the week, with MJ C basically running one play to the outside and around the corner. If you want a good look at what the top offense looks like, check out the IMG game.
I liken it to Milton Burrell at the toastmasters club. “Only pull out as much as you need to win.“
I liken it to Milton Burrell at the toastmasters club. “Only pull out as much as you need to win.“
You don't need a calendar to tell you it's November. Just watch the ESL thread get longer and longer and full of hate. Happens every year 
Go Flyers 
Go Flyers I am very curious to hear the overall thesis here.
Is it…..
“The 2011 JC coaches were nimrods because they waited to sub until the lead was 42 with 3 minutes remaining in the third. Had they begun subbing with a 35 point lead and 5 minutes remaining in the third, they would not be nimrods.”
it’s those few plays and minutes that have you so sour? Or do you think they should have been subbing with a 21-28 point lead the first few minutes of quarter 3?
it was a frustrating game for SHG. Totally get it. The wind made q1 impossible and JC got extra possessions because of the impact wind had on kicks, which made it feel like a further kick in the teeth. But you know, I know, and Ken Leonard knows quarter three was all about one good football team trying to shut the door on another good football team and get the clock running. Nothing beyond that. Any further feeling is just the emotion of an admittedly very frustrating day for SHG clouding judgment. Most of the crazy things that happened to SHG were out of their control and that makes it easy to want to project blame on to someone or something else.
I feel like this was worse than Massillon though because at Masillon if I remember correctly they were just purposely negating the big plays. Yesterday they were okay with bringing the game to a screeching hault with no chance of it changing the outcome.
This is why I didnt want the IHSA overturning that PORTA Fairfield game. That one mistake is peanuts compared to some of the stuff that goes on.
You could tell Sunkett was careful with his words answering the first few questions. Probably exactly what he should have said post game.
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That's one of the more mellow threads about the game. I've seen some folks talking about esl players getting cash after the game, the usual "no class" racists tropes. Even a parent saying the esl players sexually assaulted the cheerleaders after the game. Just wild stuff.Glenwood Football
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If you are a Glenwood fan, I'd be really complimentary of ESL today. If you get beat by 40 at home in the playoffs, I'd want everyone to know how good of a team you played. What does it say about your team if you lose like that to an undisciplined team that had 20+ enforced penalties and 200+ penalty yards.
Couldn’t agree more. Cook could’ve ran for 500 yards and 6 touchdowns if he wanted. He’s a special kid with a bright future.
The only thing I’ve heard and I can’t blame him is that cook was taking selfies and signing autographs. I see nothing wrong with that, he backs it up with his play.