For all my Black Bear homeys coming over here to play now....

[Coach34]

Rivals recruiting rankings:

2007- Mississippi 27th, State 39th....Egg Bowl- State 17, Mississippi 14
2008- Mississippi 29th, State 44th....Egg Bowl- Mississippi 45, State 0 (with getting rid of Crooms, was just as much of a win for us too)
2009- Mississippi 18th, State 25th....Egg Bowl- State 41, Mississippi 27
2010- Mississippi 18th, State 38th....Egg Bowl- State 31, Mississippi 23


You keep winning recruiting titles, we'll keep beating your *** on the field.

 

[Coach34]

Rivals recruiting rankings:

2007- Mississippi 27th, State 39th....Egg Bowl- State 17, Mississippi 14
2008- Mississippi 29th, State 44th....Egg Bowl- Mississippi 45, State 0 (with getting rid of Crooms, was just as much of a win for us too)
2009- Mississippi 18th, State 25th....Egg Bowl- State 41, Mississippi 27
2010- Mississippi 18th, State 38th....Egg Bowl- State 31, Mississippi 23


You keep winning recruiting titles, we'll keep beating your *** on the field.

 

[Coach34]

Rivals recruiting rankings:

2007- Mississippi 27th, State 39th....Egg Bowl- State 17, Mississippi 14
2008- Mississippi 29th, State 44th....Egg Bowl- Mississippi 45, State 0 (with getting rid of Crooms, was just as much of a win for us too)
2009- Mississippi 18th, State 25th....Egg Bowl- State 41, Mississippi 27
2010- Mississippi 18th, State 38th....Egg Bowl- State 31, Mississippi 23


You keep winning recruiting titles, we'll keep beating your *** on the field.

 

[weblow]

 

[DerHntr]

[No message]

 

[bonedaddy401]

+1

 

[Coach34]

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[BriantheDawg]

next year.

 

[thunderclap]

they have outrecruited us the last four years. He said yes.

Then I asked him the combined score of the last two Egg Bowls. He didn't want to play anymore.

 

[KennyPowers2]

You like getting on knees????? What?????

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

[No message]

 

[GloryDawg]

Just wanted to say before the lock.

 

[Shmuley]

every day Jimmy Sexton is shopping the reverend to the next opening. It's a full time job trying to keep up with the reverend's next likely stop. Come on, bears, y'all need to stay at your place and join the sexton watch.

 

[Coach34]

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[JabbatheGut1]

<div>I see recruiting rankings seem to be a good indicator for you program</div><div>
</div>That, my friend, is how we delusional fans roll...

 

[RebelBruiser]

Fact: Recruiting rankings only matter when your team has a good one.

If your team is signing the highly rated recruits, it's 'we beat you for all the top recruits'. If you aren't signing them, it's 'recruiting rankings don't matter'.

You fit that test case.

For the record, I've always said I don't like recruiting rankings. What I do pay attention to is who our staff is targeting early in the process each year and how they do with those players. If we're back-filling with guys that they didn't pop up on our radar until January, most likely we aren't recruiting well, regardless of what the rankings say.

Regardless of how you phrase it, guys like Whitehead, Singleton, Brassell, etc. have been at the top of the board for both of our staffs from early in the process, so I would like to see us land them, and that's whether they have 4 stars next to their name or 2 stars. I haven't really liked this recruiting class for us that much so far because over the last month I've seen way too many new names pop up on our radar. If we can land a handful of those that we've been on since the outset, it'll make me feel better about the class, rankings be damned.

 

[DowntownDawg]

...below theirs, but he's not good enough to beat the big boys consistently. Who cares about just beating them?

 

[JabbatheGut1]

For any coach at OM or State, beating the other in state team is and has been the biggest thing (especially for the fan base...even if some don't want to admit it). In 09 Nutt and OM had a 8 win season going into the EB and lost, still went to the Cotton Bowl and most OM fans were disappointed. Dan Mullen has gone 0-8 versus the SEC WEST (not named Ole Miss) yet the fan base morale is at very high point right now.

 

[seshomoru]

...below theirs, <span style="font-weight: bold;">but he's not good enough to beat the big boys consistently.</span> Who cares about just beating them?

No one in the SEC is good enough to beat the "big boys" consistently. Just look at how the top of the conference is rotating. I see the payoff coming toward the end of next year and beyond that; when he's had time develop nearly all the contributors himself, from the moment they set foot on campus. Or at least had three years with some guys that were already there.

When the whole BCS started, UT was King. And so the carousel started. And recruiting stars and rankings be damned, I think we've finally decided to get on the ride.

 

[Columbus Dawg]

you also have to take a careful look at the Juco recruits. Scout does a horrible job of evaluating Jucos. Steve and Yancy get a lot of leeway bumping these guys up. Dorsey boosted your rankings last year as a 5 star. No way should that guy have been a 5 star. I also think Damien Jackson was more a 3 star considering his struggles in coverage, but he got 4 stars, that's a big rankings boost those 2 guys combined. At the same time, Vick Ballard was a 3 star and he just set our school TD record.

Then you have to consider that OM has had several highly rated prospects that aren't on the roster anymore. Barksdale, Drummond, Patterson, Cotton, Mackey(didn't play this year), Sanders(didn't play this year) so that's 5 4star prospects and 1 5star prospect that didnt see the field for the Bears this year. So a lot of that alleged talent isn't playing.

 

[dawgstudent]

[No message]

 

[Coach34]

...below theirs, but he's not good enough to beat the big boys consistently. Who cares about just beating them?

I'll deal with them too...

 

[GroveCity]

Coach34,

Asa former coach,is it that easy to not care about recruiting since you once had direct involvement? Once upon at time, it apparently mattered to you....

http://sixpackspeak.yuku.com?topic=48677/currently-5th---conference--recruiting-rankings--8th--9th?page=1

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[GloryDawg]

bd</p>

 

[ElectroSpanish]

Why are OM fans obsessed with State being obsessed with OM. In fact we aren't. At least I'm not and never have been. I'm a State fan the only thing that concerns me about OM is the levels to which you bastards will stoop to try and keep us at your level. Besides that there is nothing to be obsessed about. Today, as a university, State is better than OM with the exception of athletics where there is parity. We have better students entering, we have better students graduating. We have better faculty. We contribute more to economic development in MS. And nationally we don't carry the negative baggage that OM has due to it's role in history in our state.

What we don't have are Phi Beta Kappa because we've traditionally been an ag and engineering school and Phi Beta Kappa requires stronger liberal arts faculty. We're getting there quickly and I expect we'll achieve that goal soon but it doesn't really mean ****. OM has the accounting library but our accounting students and business school is as good if not better and that damn library also doesn't mean ****. And we've gotten here with limited support historically from the state and our congressional delegation. Now that power is shifting. The past 20 years have seen a shift toward our representation treating State and OM equally. I expect in the future as we'll see larger investment in State than OM because of the strength of our research and the fostering of a culture entrepreneurship State offers a better return.

We're not obsessed nor envious of you in any way. We have surpassed you in all matters that are of importance to the State of Mississippi. If trends continue OM will be a mere after thought within the next 10 years. I know history doesn't support this outlook and the universe may require balance to be restored such that we both suck but that is not the case today.

And while I'm at it I want the land grant money the feds gave you during reconstruction (the Morrill act was passed in 1862) to start what eventually became State because OM didn't want farmers attending their hallowed institution. Mississippi State was founded as the land grant school in 1878 after OM took the money and did nothing with it. Why, because OM was worried that allowing common people to attend university would upset the thing they hold most dear, class distinction. That is why State is the People's University. There's no telling what that money would do to the size of our endowment if it had been given to its rightful owners.

 

[dawgstudent]

and when it doesn't - you will justify why it doesn't matter.

 

[GloryDawg]

If I read Coach 34 post correctly in that old thread Coach 34 never said he cared about recruiting he only cared about the kids on his team when it came to recruiting and making sure the parents knew what was going on. I know majority of people don't like the coach and thinks he's a bastard but he's our bastard and I am not going to jump on him when a Ole Miss poster does it. It might be the old Marine coming out of me. Hell it's like me and my brother. We fought like cats and dogs but when the dick head down the street jumped one of us we both was kicking his ***. That was this *** clowns first post. He hasn't earned the rightto bash the coach. You have to read at lest 200 of his post before you earned that right. But back to the subject no where in that old thread do I see coach say he cared about recruiting and if he did people change their minds. I could be reading the post wrong and if so I stand corrected.

 

[JabbatheGut1]

nm

 

[TR.sixpack]

But next year, after going 5-7 w/ three-in-a-row Egg Bowl loses, Houston Dale will be on I-20 headed to UTEP before Pete Boone has a chance to type up Nutt's severance package.

 

[DowntownDawg]

[No message]

 

[ElectroSpanish]

Hey I got that and you're post was pretty balanced so I didn't intend to attack you directly but as State fans we hear this constantly. I guess I've heard it just one too many times.

 

[DowntownDawg]

....despite being a great coach, a 38th ranked class is not going to have us compete with the top of the conference.

We were outmanned against LSU, Bama, and Auburn. Fortunately for us, Georgia and Florida were down.

Having the 38th ranked class and a great coach is going to get us 6-6, 7-5 most years. I think we all are hoping for more than that.

 

[MedDawg]

And while I'm at it I want the land grant money the feds gave you during reconstruction (the Morrill act was passed in 1862) to start what eventually became State because OM didn't want farmers attending their hallowed institution. Mississippi State was founded as the land grant school in 1878 after OM took the money and did nothing with it. Why, because OM was worried that allowing common people to attend university would upset the thing they hold most dear, class distinction. That is why State is the People's University. There's no telling what that money would do to the size of our endowment if it had been given to its rightful owners.

We want reparationsfor MSU!

 

[GroveHard]

about not being obsessed...nice. Big D is my favorite poster on the Pack, but with this effort, you are now in contention.

As for recruiting rankings, Ole Miss had a ****** season, and hasn't made any staff changes to give the fan base hope for next year. A recruiting "win" would be the first positive for our program in about 3 months. Having said that, I'm not even sure that this coup will come to fruition. Until Feb. 2, I will be skeptical.

And now for the "YOU R A BLACK BEAR ON A STATE MESSAGE BOARD!11"

 

[Coach34]

of consistent success to build. You just cant do it with one Gator bowl victory. WHEN we follow up next season with another 8-9 wins, more recruits will take notice and want to be part of it. We will also begin to take away the knocks against us that other schools use- especially Nutts BS he has been spewing.

Remember this past July when I was doing the position-by-position breakdowns, and had us ranked fairly highly in alot of the categories? And we had the Bear fans on here talking **** and comments like "if you have State ranked so highly at so many positions, shouldnt they finish high?" Look what happened? We finished 5th in the SEC this past season.

Mark my words here:

Regardless of where we finish in the recruiting rankings this Febuary,

Nutts and the Bears will be 6-6 at best next season- including a 4th loss in 5 years to us. Nutts may be shown the door.
State will win 8-9 games next season, and enjoy another great bowl experience.
Our recruiting class next Febuary will be Mullen's best yet.

The foundation for a successful program has been laid. And the recruiting will get better and better. But we have years and years of bad football teams to overcome, and it isnt going to happen with one bowl win.

 

[DowntownDawg]

....what happens down the road.

Mark my words here:

Regardless of where we finish in the recruiting rankings this Febuary,

Nutts and the Bears will be 6-6 at best next season- including a 4th loss in 5 years to us. Nutts may be shown the door.
State will win 8-9 games next season, and enjoy another great bowl experience.
Our recruiting class next Febuary will be Mullen's best yet.

I agree that 's where both teams end up, and I think it's very possible Nutt's gone after next year. But the recruiting class we're all talking about won't really contribute until 2013 or so. Our record next year is almost totally unrelated, but you have to think long term. Mullen's got one class under his belt. 38th in the country and 10th in the SEC. If he can't close the deal on some of these big name guys, we'll be right back there again. You just can't sustain that kind of recruiting year in and year out and hope to have big success. One year doesn't kill you, but if it becomes a trend...

 

[Coach34]

Mullen has had 2 recruiting classes- and his 1st was 25th....and while Crooms gets part of the credit too, that 2009 class doesnt end up with Bumphis and a few others without Mullen. So he has shown he can pull some good players in.

Secondly, our rankings are always going to be lower because we are M-State.

How highly were Perkins and Ballard touted? Yet they are a damn good backfield now
How highly-rated was our LB'er core out of HS? They were top 3-4 in the SEC
Russell is a 4-star and Ralph is a 2-star- Who is the better player? And our 3-star that just enrolled may end up being the guy anyway in 2012

It's not just about rankings, it's making those classes pan out. We wont ever outrecruit LSU, Bammer, Fla, Georgia on star's anyway. And with the right staff, we will bring and develop players to win games. And with more sustained success, more stars will come around.

 

[Columbus Dawg]

nm

 

[patdog]

Rich Rodriguez just got fired in part because he was 0-6 against Ohio St. and Michigan St. Mark Richt catches hell about his record against Florida. And you can bet if Nick Saban or Gene Chizek loses 3 straight to the other one, they'll be feeling some heat too. No matter where you are, you'd better beat your rival.

 

[DowntownDawg]

Mullen - Heavens, Ricco Sanders, Perkins, Bumphis, Berry, Langston, Brauchle, McPhee, Thames

Croom - Watts, Lawrence, Russell, Smith, Banks, Cox, Whitley, Boyd, Skinner, Shumpert, White, Jackson, Hutchins

Russell wavered for a while and Mullen was able to reel him back in. Obviously the guys on Mullen's list have contributed and some will contribute in the future, but the meat of the class is what the previous staff put together. Both staffs were hard after McPhee and Thames, and even though they didn't commit until later, the other staff put in a lot of time on them.

And right now Relf is a better player than Russell, but he also has two years on the guy. Russell will be fine in time.

It's not just about rankings, it's making those classes pan out. We wont
ever outrecruit LSU, Bammer, Fla, Georgia on star's anyway. And with
the right staff, we will bring and develop players to win games. And
with more sustained success, more stars will come around.

The problem with that statement is that we can have the best player development in the country with the 38th ranked classes and yes, we'll win some games, but we won't ever reach the full potential of the program. After the last decade, all of us are still probably content to win 7 a year and go to a minor bowl. But with a coach like Mullen, we've got the potential to do more than what we did this year if we can get some players in. If we can sign top 25 classes year in and year out, Mullen can have us winning the division. If our classes are ranked 35-40, we are going to be a good solid program, but we may not ever get to be much more than that.

Mullen has done a lot of talk about recruiting in Mississippi. Nutt won that battle last year, and it was pretty even this year until yesterday. If you are going to build your program on MS kids, you can't let CJ Johnson get away from you.