Kemerer was awesome . Not sure I’m willing to say that he was a better wrestler than Hall.
For all the complainers
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You can both be correct as well, which I believe to be the case.
Mark Hall certainly wasn’t loved by Hawk fans but he is a great guy and also i feel like he never hit the same move twice and his defense was dynamic. Honestly, one of the more technical wrestlers in recent times.
no need to compare him with Kemerer who also had a unique and varied style and is a great guy as well.
100% agree with this. When he spladled Marinelli, even though there was an obvious size difference, I knew he was for real(I pretty much knew way before that, but it certainly cemented it). Dude was absolutely nails and looked comfortable in some of the most uncomfortable situations possible!
And when you say caliber, it’s not as a genius coach, but a name of his recognition that can bring in money and a stream of top 10 pfp recruits.
I have a lot of respect for Mark Hall. Seemed like a good kid and he certainly handled the Dayton Racer situation at Apple Valley with pure class. Dayton...not so much.
PSU fans don't want the Brands to leave because they don't want Iowa to "awaken" again. Right now its a bad product and they can clearly see what some Iowa fans can see but other Iowa fans are to emotionally attached with Brands to come to grips with yet.
For PSU fans the Brands are great at Iowa. They are entertaining circus monkeys that pose no threat to overtaking their team ever again for a team title. They laugh at guys like you MSU that want to keep this product...dont you get that yet? Why would they ever want that to change?
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I would love it somehow the next head coach could bring Kem in as the top assistant. However, whoever that will look. But I am open minded that the next head coach doesn't necessarily have to have Iowa ties. The program needs fresh air, however that would look. Hopefully that guy would consider Kem as a bridge of sorts. Plus I think Kem has the correct makeup to be a really great head coach at some point. Given that I wouldn't be afraid to get an older head coach with Kem waiting even though most the time I dont like the Dresser/Metcalf or Heffernan/ Perry headcaoch waiting in the wings title.
Quite possibly the most flawed logic I have heard from a self proclaimed PSU, oh wait, I mean "Iowa" fan. Thank you for the contribution. You make my visits hers so worth while. Keep up the good fight!
So, if I'm not mistaken, Tom's contract runs through 2029, but Terry's contract and Ryan's, both signed in 2020, expire at the end of this season. Anyone know if there are negotiations going on to extend them to run contemporaneously with Tom's?
That’s more of an indictment on the state of the program and lack of Iowa fans on our own site since the only real engagement has been a supposed Iowa fan with Asbergers’ and low impulse control (you) and a couple other nincompoops calling me a pedo and Penn state fan after I point out the uncomfortable truth.
I've been on these boards since 2007. I miss the days of posters like VAisforlovers.
I cant stand PSU but sometimes if your remove your feelings they are telling us some truths (between the hate) even if you don't want to accept it. Much like how I feel about what Paterno knew/did that they wouldn't accept no matter how much you try to explain it. A lot like Brands- arguing with you and expecting different results is eventually on me.
Then you would know they laugh at me because I mess with them HARD for a very long time.
Also, your logic in the prior post is so flawed because the PSU fans should be agreeing with ME not YOU by that logic. Think hard on that....
There are plenty of people that come here that disagree with you. Just most don't want to waste their time with the whiners. I actually thoroughly enjoy it. It has NOTHING to do with Asberger's or impulse control. This is simply fun for me. Most of you whiners truly have no clue what goes into a DI wrestling program, what Beth is actually feeling or what the Brands are actually doing. You just want something so badly, believe you are entirely entitled to it and want to whine incessantly until you get it. Thank you for making my slow days so enjoyable!
You know what? We may disagree on just about everything, but every once in a while you surprise me with something I can endorse and give you positive credit for. Well done, sir. Well done!DO NOT GOOGLE ^^^ phrase!!!
AD Goetz commented on Brands recently in the linked CR Gazette article.
Somewhat of a nothingburger, as she was as political as you'd expect (if not want) an AD to be during the season, but it does lead me to think she does not have unwavering support for the current regime.
Somewhat of a nothingburger, as she was as political as you'd expect (if not want) an AD to be during the season, but it does lead me to think she does not have unwavering support for the current regime.
Interesting...Do you work for the CR Gazette? Do you get a commission for new signees? Maybe quote the part you are referencing or at least accurately paraphrase the part you feel is relevant for those on here that don't have memberships to CR Gazette? I would assume the amount of people on here that do have one is very small...
It's a free article. Put your indignation away and open it in a different browser or on a different device.
Huh? I tried it on my phone and my laptop and both wanted me to join to get past the first paragraph...I just went incognito mode in the browser and that worked. Indignation be damned!
I certainly didn't read anything that hinted at any negativity and I made sure to read it multiple times before responding. I doubt there are even a handful of coaches at top level schools across all sports that have truly "unwavering" support of their AD. I can't imagine any smart person in that position pigeon holing themselves into that position on the record...
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Thanks for posting this. As I looked at the reference to the upcoming schedule in this article, I realized Iowa could have as many as 4 or 5 dual losses this season. When is the last time that happened?!?
Well, that's sort of true. but even if they leave there's no guarantee you get a Mt Rushmore of wrestling level coach next. Zalesky was one of Gable's top assistants. The Brands were also some of Iowa's all time greats. And they won how many titles from 1998 -2010?
Legends aren't very easy to replace or replicate. They're also not easy to beat. Gable had what a 25 year career? And Iowa was the most dominant team for 12 years after he left. That's over half my lifetime.
if the similar situation plays out you're looking at another 20 or so years of PSU at the top overall. I think even Iowa fans sometimes forget how legendary Gable was. He won a gold vs the Godless commies, had a Life magazine profile , and was one of the more recognizable athletes in our country at that time. As good as Sanderson was in college and the Olympics, Gable was bigger in his day due to the cold war times back then.
These guys aren't very easily replaced.
You're right, Joe was aware Sandusky was a problem back in 1998. And I'm a PSU fan.
If you can't find anything wrong with what is being said by the group you agree with and can't find anything right about what is being said by the group you disagree with then you have been MANIPULATED
I love this take. But, am I being “manipulated” if I admit I can’t find any fault in it?
As far as this topic goes I am far from not finding faults in Brands and I have listed plenty. I just don’t remotely see a new coach that would do better and think nearly all could do considerably worse. I also think so much of where Iowa is at now shouldn’t be a knock on Brands but a full praising of what Sanderson has achieved. Contrary to what the loudest detractors on here think, I see no way Brands was going to stop what PSU has done without doing some things that probably would have had him removed when Beth came in. By all accounts she is as straight of a shooter as it gets and “grey” areas probably would have ended up getting him dismissed at the very least…
I think she said about as much as she could have without actually saying anything. If that makes sense.
To all of the fire Brands guys here on this board. You’re tilting at windmills. It’s not gonna happen for a few reason. For one there’s not a clear and obvious replacement at this time. If Dan Gable 2.0 was out there and expressed interest in the Iowa job I’m sure Beth would look long and hard. Secondly, I know for a fact that recruits have asked about a succession plan to Tom and Terry’s regime. Without knowing what was told to them I have to believe that they liked what they heard. We signed 5 studs in 30 minutes a month and a half ago. At the very least they were cool with what was told to them.
listen I can’t stand that Iowa is at least a clear second. Whenever I think about Penn st being better than us I want to puke. Our coaching staff certainly isn’t perfect. I for one wish we could scramble worth a damn. To me that’s a glaring hole with this staff and that starts with the kids they recruit. It does seem like we are recruiting better athletes (Angelo, Gabe, deluca, Harvey). We’re making progress and I think trending in the right direction.
I for one, won’t be happy until we are beating psu and crowing multiple champs a year. I don’t think anyone else on this board or Tom and Terry will be either.
Rant over.
It would seem that you need an ISU alumni as the coach if you want to dominate. David Carr?
No, that was spot on. As a PSU fan, I laugh at both you and the Brands and don't ever want them to leave.
Your endorsement makes me want to rethink my entire stance…oh wait, it actually does the opposite. Thanks for the input though!
I agree with 95% of this. Great post. I do disagree with the trending because like I said to MSU prior. We are giving Brands a free pass on this season and next, even though you say your aren't - you kinda really are.
The 27 class is great, not elite but great. I think whats lost here though is Iowa is a blue blood in a niche sport. The 3 real blue bloods are Iowa, PSU & Ok St. Ohio St is just outisde then the next tier is an ISU, Minny, Cornell etc. Heck VTech is charging hard for that group. So that being said I think you could insert Schwab or in general a random HS coach and you would maintain some level of national recruiting just becuase of the machine.
Kind of like Matt Campbell going to PSU or Cael to PSU. Whats it look like when that coach gets to walk into a house wearing blueblood clothing. How much better does coach John Doe look or get? And if you buy into this because its a real thing then it comes down to a blueblood recruiting should somewhat remain but can whoever coach Iowa develop the guys.
I mean I could probably get a few top recruits if I was the Duke Basketball coach but I wouldnt have a clue after that. Heck Fran actaully had a decent recruiting class signed but the fanbase left him because of the product. He never could teach defense or rebounding. It was a broken record regardless if you wanted to argue W-L record, conference wins, PPG, NCAA tournaments made, Big ten titles won. Again eyeballs dont lie guys.
So this season and next are as if not more important imo than putting all your hopes in the 2027 recruits basket. I am curious about tonights dual. I am going to throw up if we have to watch over half the starters stand around for the first periods, dont get any turns and try to manage a match versus trying to put up points. Tilting is winning but doesnt seem taught by Brands
This season will be the least amount of pins, techs and majors of any season under any Brands team. Why? (I really dont know that but I have a feeling its probably going to be true.
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Kem Dawg is a stud. It is a shame he never won it. Seems to be a theme with Tom. Mmm.
I get that, but Sanderson and Gable are a different breed. Look are various coaches from the Gable tree, they've done quite well but they aren't Gable.
No point to kick us when we are down. Speaks more about you especially when your team is just crazy talented. GFY
I gotta think both kem and lee wonder if they went to psu what might of been!
Why not 75%+ of this board thinks Tom Brands walks on water go f*** yourself