For all those thinking Trump's ban illegal, read this:

[WVPATX]

From the experts inside the DOJ:

Now this…
Justice Department lawyers told Yates President Trump’s travel ban was legal.
She decided to play politics anyway.

Ambassador John Bolton told Lou Dobbs tonight:

It’s being reported the department’s own internal general council, the office of Legal Council, reviewed the executive order and approved of it. So she’s flying in the face of her own best lawyers.

Jonathan Turley, perhaps one of our finest Constitutional Lawyers does not like the policy, but says that Trump is perfectly within his rights to do so and SCOTUS won't touch it.

Think about this gentlemen and ladies:

Obama took many actions the DOJ supported that were blatantly Unconstitutional, one in front of SCOTUS now that will be overturned in a big way. He had many others overturned 9-0. This is a highly politicized DOJ and Sessions must clean our the rats that forsake their Constitutional duties for politics. If the GOP DOJ lawyers did the same, I would also demand their resignations. Without the Constitution, we have no law and chaos reigns.

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

Yet four Federal Judges have issues stays against the EO making it invalid nationwide.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...-over-trumps-muslim-immigration-order/514892/

 

[WVPATX]

Yet four Federal Judges have issues stays against the EO making it invalid nationwide.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...-over-trumps-muslim-immigration-order/514892/

You don' read your own articles. This is a temporary ruling on those already in the country. Very, very limited in scope. Even liberal judges are not so stupid to halt his order in total. They know they will be overruled and quickly.

Federal judges in four states issued orders over the weekend temporarily forbidding the removal of some individuals who had been targeted by President Trump’s executive order on refugees and immigrants, capping 36 hours of protests and chaos at major U.S. airports.

This order only applies to the 109 already in the U.S. Not the rest of the order.

 

[bornaneer]

Yet four Federal Judges have issues stays against the EO making it invalid nationwide.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...-over-trumps-muslim-immigration-order/514892/

You are sooooooooo naive.

 

[Boomboom521]

You don' read your own articles. This is a temporary ruling on those already in the country. Very, very limited in scope. Even liberal judges are not so stupid to halt his order in total. They know they will be overruled and quickly.

Federal judges in four states issued orders over the weekend temporarily forbidding the removal of some individuals who had been targeted by President Trump’s executive order on refugees and immigrants, capping 36 hours of protests and chaos at major U.S. airports.

This order only applies to the 109 already in the U.S. Not the rest of the order.

You really are full of hate. Post an article about why you hate liberal thinkers and the Democratic Party, and why you and the right are the true Americans. I'd love to read it.

 

[WVPATX]

You really are full of hate. Post an article about why you hate liberal thinkers and the Democratic Party, and why you and the right are the true Americans. I'd love to read it.

How is my post full of hate? I support a TEMPORARY ban for 90 days to review and change our vetting processes. Trump's first duty is to protect American citizens. It is in the Constitution.

Why don't you travel to San Bernardino and talk with the vitamin families. One of the killers got a visa and they didn't even check her radical past (ties to radical mosques, her social media postings lauding jihadists, etc.). Now, Americans are dead.

Talk with French families, Belgian families, rape victims in Sweden, German families, UK families, etc.

And I am full of hate? I think you bleeding heart blinds you to evil. You believe the U.S. is evil. You live in a very, very warped world. I hope you open yourself up to more information, more education are both history and what is happening today.

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

You don' read your own articles. This is a temporary ruling on those already in the country. Very, very limited in scope. Even liberal judges are not so stupid to halt his order in total. They know they will be overruled and quickly.

Federal judges in four states issued orders over the weekend temporarily forbidding the removal of some individuals who had been targeted by President Trump’s executive order on refugees and immigrants, capping 36 hours of protests and chaos at major U.S. airports.

This order only applies to the 109 already in the U.S. Not the rest of the order.

Two are temporary (and very specific) and two are immediate injunctions, one from a federal judge in NY and one from two judges on Boston:

Donnelly enjoined the federal government “from, in any manner or by any means, removing individuals with refugee applications approved by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services as part of the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program, holders of valid immigrant and non-immigrant visas, and other individuals from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, and Yemen legally authorized to enter the United States.” Donnelly did not limit the order’s scope to her jurisdiction, effectively making it a nationwide injunction.
Early Sunday morning in Boston, federal judge Allison Burroughs and federal magistrate judge Judith Dein then issued an order barring the detention as well as the removal of the same groups covered by Donnelly’s injunction. Both of their injunctions apply nationwide.

Meaning not only persons already in the US cannot be removed, but also holders of valid immigrant and non-immigrant visas, and other individuals from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, and Yemen legally authorized to enter the United States; so a Visa already granted cannot be rescinded. Immigrants already approved can't be denied entry, you can't change the rules after the game has already started.

Going forward is a different story and rightly so as it should be within our powers and legal rights to suspend issuance of Visas pending improved vetting processes being developed and implemented.

We are actually on the same page, however the EO was poorly drafted, done so in a vacuum without additional input, already challenged legally by federal judges and other pending litigation and makes DT look foolish.

 

[WVPATX]

Two are temporary (and very specific) and two are immediate injunctions, one from a federal judge in NY and one from two judges on Boston:

Donnelly enjoined the federal government “from, in any manner or by any means, removing individuals with refugee applications approved by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services as part of the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program, holders of valid immigrant and non-immigrant visas, and other individuals from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, and Yemen legally authorized to enter the United States.” Donnelly did not limit the order’s scope to her jurisdiction, effectively making it a nationwide injunction.
Early Sunday morning in Boston, federal judge Allison Burroughs and federal magistrate judge Judith Dein then issued an order barring the detention as well as the removal of the same groups covered by Donnelly’s injunction. Both of their injunctions apply nationwide.

Meaning not only persons already in the US cannot be removed, but also holders of valid immigrant and non-immigrant visas, and other individuals from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, and Yemen legally authorized to enter the United States; so a Visa already granted cannot be rescinded. Immigrants already approved can't be denied entry, you can't change the rules after the game has already started.

Going forward is a different story and rightly so as it should be within our powers and legal rights to suspend issuance of Visas pending improved vetting processes being developed and implemented.

We are actually on the same page, however the EO was poorly drafted, done so in a vacuum without additional input, already challenged legally by federal judges and other pending litigation and makes DT look foolish.

Even if this order is in concert with the Constitution, it is very limited. There are millions upon millions from these 9 countries not affected by this order. Again, very, very limited and certainly subject to appeals. SCOTUS has the final say.

You may want to check on the ideology of these judges. And keep in mind, judges get overturned all the time.

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

Even if this order is in concert with the Constitution, it is very limited. There are millions upon millions from these 9 countries not affected by this order. Again, very, very limited and certainly subject to appeals. SCOTUS has the final say.

You may want to check on the ideology of these judges. And keep in mind, judges get overturned all the time.

I understand that Judges get overturned, but it hasn't happened yet. Since the EO is time-limited, 90-120 days, I doubt that it will get to SCOTUS as it will expire before they would be able to take up the matter. Lower courts or other Federal Judges will get their shots at it first.

 

[moe]

9 countries

7 countries.

 

[WVPATX]

I understand that Judges get overturned, but it hasn't happened yet. Since the EO is time-limited, 90-120 days, I doubt that it will get to SCOTUS as it will expire before they would be able to take up the matter. Lower courts or other Federal Judges will get their shots at it first.

But again, the ban is in effect. These judges orders were very limited. Another legal scholar objects to her actions. He said she should have resigned and her argument unpersuasive.

https://lawfareblog.com/quick-thoughts-sally-yates-unpersuasive-statement

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Two are temporary (and very specific) and two are immediate injunctions, one from a federal judge in NY and one from two judges on Boston:

Donnelly enjoined the federal government “from, in any manner or by any means, removing individuals with refugee applications approved by U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services as part of the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program, holders of valid immigrant and non-immigrant visas, and other individuals from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, and Yemen legally authorized to enter the United States.” Donnelly did not limit the order’s scope to her jurisdiction, effectively making it a nationwide injunction.
Early Sunday morning in Boston, federal judge Allison Burroughs and federal magistrate judge Judith Dein then issued an order barring the detention as well as the removal of the same groups covered by Donnelly’s injunction. Both of their injunctions apply nationwide.

Meaning not only persons already in the US cannot be removed, but also holders of valid immigrant and non-immigrant visas, and other individuals from Iraq, Syria, Iran, Sudan, Libya, Somalia, and Yemen legally authorized to enter the United States; so a Visa already granted cannot be rescinded. Immigrants already approved can't be denied entry, you can't change the rules after the game has already started.

Going forward is a different story and rightly so as it should be within our powers and legal rights to suspend issuance of Visas pending improved vetting processes being developed and implemented.

We are actually on the same page, however the EO was poorly drafted, done so in a vacuum without additional input, already challenged legally by federal judges and other pending litigation and makes DT look foolish.

Even if this order is in concert with the Constitution, it is very limited. There are millions upon millions from these 9 countries not affected by this order. Again, very, very limited and certainly subject to appeals. SCOTUS has the final say.

You may want to check on the ideology of these judges. And keep in mind, judges get overturned all the time.

You just got *****-slapped!

 

[WVPATX]

You just got *****-slapped!

Your reading comprehension is very, very poor.

 

[WVex-pat in GA]

Your reading comprehension is very, very poor.

Pot...meet kettle.

 

[WVPATX]

Pot...meet kettle.

Please point out my reading comprehension problems.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Please point out my reading comprehension problems.

9 countries

Ban is in effect

Temporary ban on those already in the country

 

[WVPATX]

9 countries

Ban is in effect

Temporary ban on those already in the country

A distinction without much difference. It is 7 countries, I misspoke. The Ban is in effect. Show me anywhere where the ban has been rescinded by the courts. The courts have issued very narrow rulings on those already approved for entry. No one else impacted. So millions upon millions are restricted by this ban. Perhaps hundreds to a few thousand not impacted.

 

[atlkvb]

Post an article about why you hate liberal thinkers and the Democratic Party, and why you and the right are the true Americans. I'd love to read i

I'll bet you would boom. You always post how "intolerant" the Right is, yet almost everything I read from you is "intolerant" or "bigoted" or in some way mocking of anything that doesn't agree with YOU.

Check yourself my Man!

 

[Boomboom521]

How is my post full of hate? I support a TEMPORARY ban for 90 days to review and change our vetting processes. Trump's first duty is to protect American citizens. It is in the Constitution.

Why don't you travel to San Bernardino and talk with the vitamin families. One of the killers got a visa and they didn't even check her radical past (ties to radical mosques, her social media postings lauding jihadists, etc.). Now, Americans are dead.

Talk with French families, Belgian families, rape victims in Sweden, German families, UK families, etc.

And I am full of hate? I think you bleeding heart blinds you to evil. You believe the U.S. is evil. You live in a very, very warped world. I hope you open yourself up to more information, more education are both history and what is happening today.

You hate Americans more than anything else

 

[WVPATX]

You hate Americans more than anything else

No, sorry Boom, but you posts betray you. Your posts don't indicate a belief that America is basically a good nation and wants to do good around the world. Just the opposite.

 

[wvu2007]

You hate Americans more than anything else

You are one of the biggest racist bigots on this board. You have no tolerance with people who have a different opinion. It is a sad shame that your children have to be raised by someone with so much hatred in their hearts.

 

[Boomboom521]

No, sorry Boom, but you posts betray you. Your posts don't indicate a belief that America is basically a good nation and wants to do good around the world. Just the opposite.

America and Americans are different words. The United States of America is also a very different thing as well. Funny how everything gets lumped together with you.

 

[Boomboom521]

You are one of the biggest racist bigots on this board. You have no tolerance with people who have a different opinion. It is a sad shame that your children have to be raised by someone with so much hatred in their hearts.

Such a shame. No tolerance of people who have a different opinion.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

You are one of the biggest racist bigots on this board. You have no tolerance with people who have a different opinion. It is a sad shame that your children have to be raised by someone with so much hatred in their hearts.

There it is!

When you get frustrated and have no arguments, throw out the racist name calling.

Don't like someone else's position?
Call them a racist.

Feel mentally inferior?
Call them a racist.

Mad because someone else points out facts that contradict your incorrect preconceived notion?
Call them a racist.

 

[Boomboom521]

How is my post full of hate? I support a TEMPORARY ban for 90 days to review and change our vetting processes. Trump's first duty is to protect American citizens. It is in the Constitution.

Why don't you travel to San Bernardino and talk with the vitamin families. One of the killers got a visa and they didn't even check her radical past (ties to radical mosques, her social media postings lauding jihadists, etc.). Now, Americans are dead.

Talk with French families, Belgian families, rape victims in Sweden, German families, UK families, etc.

And I am full of hate? I think you bleeding heart blinds you to evil. You believe the U.S. is evil. You live in a very, very warped world. I hope you open yourself up to more information, more education are both history and what is happening today.

I believe the US has done many evil things, so have Christians too btw. Keep towing the line though

 

[atlkvb]

There it is!

When you get frustrated and have no arguments, throw out the racist name calling.

Don't like someone else's position?
Call them a racist.

Feel mentally inferior?
Call them a racist.

Mad because someone else points out facts that contradict your incorrect preconceived notion?
Call them a racist.

Don't like the person someone voted for? Call them a "racist". If the person voting happens to be Black, tell them they "voted against their own self interest".

Such clairvoyance. Knowing what my "interests" are.

Self immolation.

 

[atlkvb]

I believe the US has done many evil things, so have Christians too btw.

No "bigotry" here.

 

[WVPATX]

America and Americans are different words. The United States of America is also a very different thing as well. Funny how everything gets lumped together with you.

A question Boom. Has America been a force for good in the world?

 

[Boomboom521]

There it is!

When you get frustrated and have no arguments, throw out the racist name calling.

Don't like someone else's position?
Call them a racist.

Feel mentally inferior?
Call them a racist.

Mad because someone else points out facts that contradict your incorrect preconceived notion?
Call them a racist.

I actually am pretty racist...I just think the trolls should stay under the bridge!

 

[WVPATX]

A question Boom. Has America been a force for good in the world?

I notice you never answered this very simply, basic question.

 

[Boomboom521]

A question Boom. Has America been a force for good in the world?

Not in Guatemala, Chile, El Salvador, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Russia, Zaire or Cuba (and I'm sure I'm missing some). Mexico, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Japan and many others I'm on the fence. And yes for the most part in England, France, Italy, Germany, Spain, Holland, Canada, South Korea and many others.

Do you think just because someone sits in the oval, on Capitol Hill, or at a desk in the pentagon that the decisions they make are pure and good and without malice intent? I know you don't think that way about the last 8 years. But it's always simple to you...America = good.

America as an idea is one of the best things in the world.

 

[atlkvb]

I notice you never answered this very simply, basic question.

Very few who are firmly planted on the hard Left Pax, invested in total faith of Leviathan believe we are or have been a force for good. They see more faults in America than any good, chief among them what they consider to be our hypocrisy of being a self described "Christian" nation, which they believe to be filled with a bunch of White racists who only use their made up Religion to control others or force them to believe the same way under the guise of being "Loving, and accepting" as Christianity of course claims to be. Thus the hypocrisy they believe we exist under.

So they reject both premises, as well as the foundations behind them (the Framers of the Constitution, our Founders) They both hate and reject their claims that this nation was established as an exceptional and unique Christian experiment primarily by Christians who believed we could live equally among all people and all Faiths.

They love to point out the secularists among our Founders, while they ignore the believers. But bottom line, they reject our American exceptionalism, and they reject that we have been a force for good around the world in favor of accepting the Left's premise that we have simply unfairly used our wealth & Faith to subjugate the world.

 

[WVPATX]

Not in Guatemala, Chile, El Salvador, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Russia, Zaire or Cuba (and I'm sure I'm missing some). Mexico, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Japan and many others I'm on the fence. And yes for the most part in England, France, Italy, Germany, Spain, Holland, Canada, South Korea and many others.

Do you think just because someone sits in the oval, on Capitol Hill, or at a desk in the pentagon that the decisions they make are pure and good and without malice intent? I know you don't think that way about the last 8 years. But it's always simple to you...America = good.

America as an idea is one of the best things in the world.

So, America has not been a force for good in Vietnam? Or in Cambodia? Or in Russia (not sure how we are a force for bad in Russia)? Or Cuba? And you're on the fence about Japan, Iraq, Iran, etc.

Wow. And if we are not a force for good, we must be a force for bad (or evil) since an action has either positive or negative intent/results.

I had heard that libs didn't think we were generally a good country with good intentions but really didn't believe it. Now I am a believer.

I do believe we have made mistakes, but never thought we did so with evil intent. I know we have had to wed ourselves with bad actors to help defeat even worse actors. That is the nature of the world.

But I think we have been for democracy, individual rights, freedom and self governance.

I do know this. Without the U.S., WWI ends very differently. Without the U.S. WWII and Europe ends very differently. Without the U.S. the evils of Communism would still engulf the world. And without the U.S. millions upon millions would have no freedom. I'll take our record over anyone else in a New York second.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Trump will lose his **** at some of the Super Bowl commercials.

 

[WVU82_rivals]

 

[Boomboom521]

So, America has not been a force for good in Vietnam? Or in Cambodia? Or in Russia (not sure how we are a force for bad in Russia)? Or Cuba? And you're on the fence about Japan, Iraq, Iran, etc.

Wow. And if we are not a force for good, we must be a force for bad (or evil) since an action has either positive or negative intent/results.

I had heard that libs didn't think we were generally a good country with good intentions but really didn't believe it. Now I am a believer.

I do believe we have made mistakes, but never thought we did so with evil intent. I know we have had to wed ourselves with bad actors to help defeat even worse actors. That is the nature of the world.

But I think we have been for democracy, individual rights, freedom and self governance.

I do know this. Without the U.S., WWI ends very differently. Without the U.S. WWII and Europe ends very differently. Without the U.S. the evils of Communism would still engulf the world. And without the U.S. millions upon millions would have no freedom. I'll take our record over anyone else in a New York second.

What would you say if I told you that since WWII, the US has been responsible for at least 20 million deaths abroad? (Some estimates have it closer to 30 btw)

 

[WVU82_rivals]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...akistan-middle-east-afghanistan-a7534851.html

Map shows where President Barack Obama dropped his 20,000 bombs

and you idiots wonder WHY WE HAVE IMMIGRANTS....

they want to be AWAY FROM OBAMA'S target areas...

 

[Boomboom521]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...akistan-middle-east-afghanistan-a7534851.html

Map shows where President Barack Obama dropped his 20,000 bombs

and you idiots wonder WHY WE HAVE IMMIGRANTS....

they want to be AWAY FROM OBAMA'S target areas...

I'm not defending Obama as if he's not a part of the horrors

 

[WVU82_rivals]

As America’s efforts to “degrade and ultimately destroy” Islamic State militants extent into Syria, Iraq War III has seamlessly morphed into Greater Middle East Battlefield XIV. That is,Syria has become at least the 14th country in the Islamic world that U.S. forces have invaded or occupied or bombed, and in which American soldiers have killed or been killed. And that’s just since 1980.

Let’s tick them off: Iran (1980, 1987-1988), Libya (1981, 1986, 1989, 2011), Lebanon (1983), Kuwait (1991), Iraq (1991-2011, 2014-), Somalia (1992-1993, 2007-), Bosnia (1995), Saudi Arabia (1991, 1996), Afghanistan (1998, 2001-), Sudan (1998), Kosovo (1999), Yemen (2000, 2002-), Pakistan (2004-) and now Syria. Whew.

--- this is what happens when you have a puppet in charge...---

 

[WVPATX]

What would you say if I told you that since WWII, the US has been responsible for at least 20 million deaths abroad? (Some estimates have it closer to 30 btw)

The U.S. is responsible? So we started the war. You mean like the war in Kuwait, where Iraq invaded and took over the country? Or the war in Afghanistan where Al Qaeda was in control and Afghanistan wouldn't turn them over. You mean in Korea where the North Koreans tried to take over South Korea. Same in Viet Nam.

Even in Iraq, we know that Saddam killed millions. He used chemical weapons on his own people.

Blaming us for all those deaths is absurd in the extreme.

You have to have some perspective Boom and not look at things in a vacuum. What was the alternative if we did not help defeat communism, for example? We know communists routinely killed millions and not just Stalin.