For all you snowflakes he said it. It was true then it's true today

WVPATX

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As I have said many, many times on this board, the Dems have moved very, very far left. That speech was from just 20 years ago. Clinton couldn't run as a Dem today after a speech like that.

Their next big move is economically, The Dems, Imo, will soon essentially be the socialist party in America. Look at the polls on this issue, it's coming.
 

Airport

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As I have said many, many times on this board, the Dems have moved very, very far left. That speech was from just 20 years ago. Clinton couldn't run as a Dem today after a speech like that.

Their next big move is economically, The Dems, Imo, will soon essentially be the socialist party in America. Look at the polls on this issue, it's coming.

Oh, bill would run as a dem today because he went with what would get him nominated. He only switched when he lost congress and wanted to win relection.
 

WVPATX

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Oh, bill would run as a dem today because he went with what would get him nominated. He only switched when he lost congress and wanted to win relection.

My point is that if any Dem today made that speech, their Presidential aspirations would be over. I know Billy was a chameleon that blew with the wind. I was speaking more generally.
 

WVPATX

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I don't see globalism as a left/right issue. It infects both sides of the aisle.

I'm not talking specifically about globalism. I am speaking about far left positions today. Open borders or near open borders, Abortion with no restrictions. Support of BLM over police officers. Massive changes to the First Amendment on both free speech and religious liberty. Significant gun control. Massive influx of refugees each year. Government provided health care. Elimination of fossil fuels. Massive tax increases on the wealthy and businesses. Growing the power and size and scope of our central government. Retreat from world leadership (leading from behind). And many, many others.
 

TarHeelEer

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I'm not talking specifically about globalism. I am speaking about far left positions today. Open borders or near open borders

Open borders is both sides of the aisle. It's a populist vs. big business item, not left/right.
 

WVPATX

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Open borders is both sides of the aisle. It's a populist vs. big business item, not left/right.

I disagree. Securing the border has been an issue of the right for a long, long time. There is no question that some on the right, like the Chamber of Commerce, support open borders because they want the very cheap labor. Some big businesses as well for the same reason. But for the rank and file conservatives, security the border has always been very, very popular. It is not a populist issue, imo.
 

TarHeelEer

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I disagree. Securing the border has been an issue of the right for a long, long time. There is no question that some on the right, like the Chamber of Commerce, support open borders because they want the very cheap labor. Some big businesses as well for the same reason. But for the rank and file conservatives, security the border has always been very, very popular. It is not a populist issue, imo.

Actions, not words. Republicans were all to helpful to Obama to get TPP passed. No matter that they say, their actions compromise them.
 

WVPATX

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Its all the same. If anyone but Cruz had been elected we would've continued down the same path.

I disagree. TPP was a trade agreement. The border is about security, sovereignty, and giving us the ability to decide who enters the country. Two very different things, imo.