For the basketball experts, what is the minimum that State has to do to make it...
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...is that going 3-1 and winning 1 in Nashville would be the bare minimum. I think that could put us right on the bubble, but anything less than that leaves us on the bubble. I think that we have to beat UT in those 3 wins. I base this on the fact that Lunardi has us as a "first 4 out" as of right now, and a win over UT coupled with a 10-6 record and division championship should put us over the line.
Many on here think we need to go 4-0 and make it to Sunday. I can see that as well.
...is that going 3-1 and winning 1 in Nashville would be the bare minimum. I think that could put us right on the bubble, but anything less than that leaves us on the bubble. I think that we have to beat UT in those 3 wins. I base this on the fact that Lunardi has us as a "first 4 out" as of right now, and a win over UT coupled with a 10-6 record and division championship should put us over the line.
Many on here think we need to go 4-0 and make it to Sunday. I can see that as well.
For the basketball experts, what is the minimum that State has to do to make it...
i think we can lose another one, but we absolutely have to beat tennessee. on top of that, we need tennessee not to lose more than 1 other game.
even if we lost another sec game, we could get in after winning 2 games in the tournament, especially since it looks like those two wins would be against florida and vandy.
our last 10 record would be 7-3. it'd still be 7-3 if we just beat florida and lost to vandy. we need arkansas to win enough to get inside the top 100. at 105 according to sagarin. it'd be good for ole miss to be top 50 because i think we get in over them if we beat tennessee. 25-9 and we are in for sure. 24-10 still gets us in. 23-10 is questionable. 23-11 and i'd say probably not.
i think we can lose another one, but we absolutely have to beat tennessee. on top of that, we need tennessee not to lose more than 1 other game.
even if we lost another sec game, we could get in after winning 2 games in the tournament, especially since it looks like those two wins would be against florida and vandy.
our last 10 record would be 7-3. it'd still be 7-3 if we just beat florida and lost to vandy. we need arkansas to win enough to get inside the top 100. at 105 according to sagarin. it'd be good for ole miss to be top 50 because i think we get in over them if we beat tennessee. 25-9 and we are in for sure. 24-10 still gets us in. 23-10 is questionable. 23-11 and i'd say probably not.
For the basketball experts, what is the minimum that State has to do to make it...
..I was going to sacrcastically post: "MSU has to win the SEC tournament" because everytime this year, even if MSU is a lock for the NCAA tournament, somebody comes here with the "We have to win the SEC tournament to get in!" mess.
If you really think, as of today, MSU has to win the SEC tournament in order to make the NCAA tournament, then you don't know crap about college basketball.
..I was going to sacrcastically post: "MSU has to win the SEC tournament" because everytime this year, even if MSU is a lock for the NCAA tournament, somebody comes here with the "We have to win the SEC tournament to get in!" mess.
If you really think, as of today, MSU has to win the SEC tournament in order to make the NCAA tournament, then you don't know crap about college basketball.
For the basketball experts, what is the minimum that State has to do to make it...
win out (4-0) and play until Saturday. We could control our own destiny if we did one of those.
I think we could still get in at 3-1 with one win in the SEC tournament, but we would need some help. Teams such as Gonzaga, Butler, Washington, and Northern Iowa need to win their repsective conference tournaments because they will most likely be the only representative from their league anyway, and other bubble teams such as Marquette, Cinncinati, Marshall, and Virginia Tech, etc need to start losing more. There is alot of basketball to be played, but the games are always magnified in February.
win out (4-0) and play until Saturday. We could control our own destiny if we did one of those.
I think we could still get in at 3-1 with one win in the SEC tournament, but we would need some help. Teams such as Gonzaga, Butler, Washington, and Northern Iowa need to win their repsective conference tournaments because they will most likely be the only representative from their league anyway, and other bubble teams such as Marquette, Cinncinati, Marshall, and Virginia Tech, etc need to start losing more. There is alot of basketball to be played, but the games are always magnified in February.
For the basketball experts, what is the minimum that State has to do to make it...
I think 3-1 gets us regardless how we do in the tournament IF we beat TN. If we don't beat TN and go 3-1, we have to win 1 in the tournament (which would probably be TN or FL).
I think 3-1 gets us regardless how we do in the tournament IF we beat TN. If we don't beat TN and go 3-1, we have to win 1 in the tournament (which would probably be TN or FL).
For the basketball experts, what is the minimum that State has to do to make it...
it still seems to me that we have to come damn close to winning the tournament to get in. Projecting what we have to do to get in is different than "knowing college basketball." Thank you.
it still seems to me that we have to come damn close to winning the tournament to get in. Projecting what we have to do to get in is different than "knowing college basketball." Thank you.
For the basketball experts, what is the minimum that State has to do to make it...
is to become the fourth most attractive team in the SEC.
Right now, there is Kentucky, Vandy and Tennessee. All locks for the NCAAT
After that, Florida is probably in, then we are the next most attractive team.
Florida 19-8, 8-4
at Georgia
Vandy
Tennessee
at Kentucky remaining
Mississippi State 19-8, 7-5
Alabama
at S Carolina
at Auburn
Tennessee remaining
If we could somehow finish a game ahead of them in the standings (go 4-0 while they go 2-2 or go 3-1 while they go 1-3) and then beat them in the SEC quarterfinal (or if they fail to beat the West 5 seed), I think we get in as the fourth team from the SEC.
Four is the minimum number of teams taken from the fourth best RPI conference over the past ten years. Seven has been taken. The average: 5.8
I don't think we get six teams in this year, but we might get five, and we will definitely get 4.
is to become the fourth most attractive team in the SEC.
Right now, there is Kentucky, Vandy and Tennessee. All locks for the NCAAT
After that, Florida is probably in, then we are the next most attractive team.
Florida 19-8, 8-4
at Georgia
Vandy
Tennessee
at Kentucky remaining
Mississippi State 19-8, 7-5
Alabama
at S Carolina
at Auburn
Tennessee remaining
If we could somehow finish a game ahead of them in the standings (go 4-0 while they go 2-2 or go 3-1 while they go 1-3) and then beat them in the SEC quarterfinal (or if they fail to beat the West 5 seed), I think we get in as the fourth team from the SEC.
Four is the minimum number of teams taken from the fourth best RPI conference over the past ten years. Seven has been taken. The average: 5.8
I don't think we get six teams in this year, but we might get five, and we will definitely get 4.
For the basketball experts, what is the minimum that State has to do to make it...
If not, we'll at least need to make it to Saturday in Nashville.A win there over Tennessee or Florida (one of which will be our Friday opponent) would probably get us in. If for some reason we tank and are sitting on 20 wins entering the tourney, we'd need to win the thing or beat Kentucky on Saturday.<div>
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If not, we'll at least need to make it to Saturday in Nashville.A win there over Tennessee or Florida (one of which will be our Friday opponent) would probably get us in. If for some reason we tank and are sitting on 20 wins entering the tourney, we'd need to win the thing or beat Kentucky on Saturday.<div>
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For the basketball experts, what is the minimum that State has to do to make it...
if we can get Sidney cleared by Mon or Tue, we can make a surge.. other than that, it is a crap shoot...
Free Sidney!!!!!!
if we can get Sidney cleared by Mon or Tue, we can make a surge.. other than that, it is a crap shoot...
Free Sidney!!!!!!
For the basketball experts, what is the minimum that State has to do to make it...
that you are being sarcastic about Sidney.
that you are being sarcastic about Sidney.
For the basketball experts, what is the minimum that State has to do to make it...
if he can come in and fill in it will make a huge difference.....
we've never had anyone with his skills put on a jersey and play for us...
I hope I get to shove it down your throat soon.....
if I do, we will both be happy....
if he can come in and fill in it will make a huge difference.....
we've never had anyone with his skills put on a jersey and play for us...
I hope I get to shove it down your throat soon.....
if I do, we will both be happy....
For the basketball experts, what is the minimum that State has to do to make it...
by the way... I'm a big Johnny Cash fan.....
but I'm here to tell you.. Sidney will make a BIG splash....
I will tell you I told you so, but we will rejoice together
by the way... I'm a big Johnny Cash fan.....
but I'm here to tell you.. Sidney will make a BIG splash....
I will tell you I told you so, but we will rejoice together
For the basketball experts, what is the minimum that State has to do to make it...
Hey, he could really be our answer to this season!!! Look out Wall
Hey, he could really be our answer to this season!!! Look out Wall
For the basketball experts, what is the minimum that State has to do to make it...
Bracketology 101 says that we can feel safe by finishing 3-1, or 2-2 with 2 SECT wins. As of now, they think we're in as a 13.
http://bracketology101.blogspot.com/
Obviously, stealing one of the two road games is absolutely critical.
Bracketology 101 says that we can feel safe by finishing 3-1, or 2-2 with 2 SECT wins. As of now, they think we're in as a 13.
http://bracketology101.blogspot.com/
Obviously, stealing one of the two road games is absolutely critical.
For the basketball experts, what is the minimum that State has to do to make it...
Since that's going to be a topic of discussion, and I think Florida definitely has an edge right now, an edge that they have a chance to improve on with their remaining schedule.
Florida:
Overall - 19-8
SEC - 8-4
RPI - 52
SOS - 57
v. Top 50 - 2-6
v. Top 100 - 6-7
road/neutral - 7-5
Top 100 wins - Michigan State (27), Florida State (40), Ole Miss (63), MSU (65), South Carolina (81), Georgia (89)
Bad losses - South Alabama (221)
MSU:
Overall - 19-8
SEC - 7-5
RPI - 65
SOS - 115
v. Top 50 - 1-3
v. Top 100 - 5-4
road/neutral - 8-6
Top 100 wins - Old Dominion (41), Ole Miss (63), @Ole Miss (63), Georgia (89), Wright State (93)
Bad losses - @Alabama (103), @Arkansas (126), @WKU (151), Rider (155)
So, right now, Florida definitely has the better resume. It's only a slight edge, but I think their SOS and their quality wins outweigh yours enough that you'll have to finish at least a game ahead of them in SEC play to come out with a resume equal to theirs. Right now you're a game back of them. They get both UT and Vandy at home on their floor with good chances at Top 20 RPI wins. They play @UGA and @UK, so their SOS should improve. If they go 2-2 in those last 4, I think they are in. I think you have to go 4-0 to guarantee a bid. 3-1 might leave you needing at least one tourney win.
ETA: I don't think you're competing with Florida more than you are competing with any other bubble team right now. The selection committee doesn't really care that much about your conference or how many bids each league gets. They generally just look at each team individually. It's easier to compare to other league teams because you play similar competition, but outside of that, I don't think you're competing with Florida for one more SEC slot or anything like that. You're just competing with them for a remaining at large spot.
Since that's going to be a topic of discussion, and I think Florida definitely has an edge right now, an edge that they have a chance to improve on with their remaining schedule.
Florida:
Overall - 19-8
SEC - 8-4
RPI - 52
SOS - 57
v. Top 50 - 2-6
v. Top 100 - 6-7
road/neutral - 7-5
Top 100 wins - Michigan State (27), Florida State (40), Ole Miss (63), MSU (65), South Carolina (81), Georgia (89)
Bad losses - South Alabama (221)
MSU:
Overall - 19-8
SEC - 7-5
RPI - 65
SOS - 115
v. Top 50 - 1-3
v. Top 100 - 5-4
road/neutral - 8-6
Top 100 wins - Old Dominion (41), Ole Miss (63), @Ole Miss (63), Georgia (89), Wright State (93)
Bad losses - @Alabama (103), @Arkansas (126), @WKU (151), Rider (155)
So, right now, Florida definitely has the better resume. It's only a slight edge, but I think their SOS and their quality wins outweigh yours enough that you'll have to finish at least a game ahead of them in SEC play to come out with a resume equal to theirs. Right now you're a game back of them. They get both UT and Vandy at home on their floor with good chances at Top 20 RPI wins. They play @UGA and @UK, so their SOS should improve. If they go 2-2 in those last 4, I think they are in. I think you have to go 4-0 to guarantee a bid. 3-1 might leave you needing at least one tourney win.
ETA: I don't think you're competing with Florida more than you are competing with any other bubble team right now. The selection committee doesn't really care that much about your conference or how many bids each league gets. They generally just look at each team individually. It's easier to compare to other league teams because you play similar competition, but outside of that, I don't think you're competing with Florida for one more SEC slot or anything like that. You're just competing with them for a remaining at large spot.
For the basketball experts, what is the minimum that State has to do to make it...
I don't necessarily think we have to do this or must do that to in order to get to the tournament. So much of it will depend on what other bubble teams do as well. As Lunardi tweeted the other day, something to the effect of "you see it every year, teams play themselves out of the tournament more than they play themselves into it." Two of the teams he used as examples were Ole Miss and Texas Tech. If that continues, we can sneak in by attrition. I don think having Varnado helps us, no matter what the committee might say otherwise. He's a relatively known commodity that people might like to see for a game or two.
So to establish the minimum, I'm thinking about what won't get us in. Going 2-2 and losing on the first day in Nashville will put us in the NIT. Anything better than that and we have a shot. I think 3-1 with one win in Nashville absolutely gets us in, as does 2-2 with two wins in Nashville. Anything in the middle of that range is just too hard to call with all the other bubble teams out there too.
Saturday I predicted a seven game winning streak to be playing on Sunday in Nashville. Long way to go, but at least we're 1-0.
I don't necessarily think we have to do this or must do that to in order to get to the tournament. So much of it will depend on what other bubble teams do as well. As Lunardi tweeted the other day, something to the effect of "you see it every year, teams play themselves out of the tournament more than they play themselves into it." Two of the teams he used as examples were Ole Miss and Texas Tech. If that continues, we can sneak in by attrition. I don think having Varnado helps us, no matter what the committee might say otherwise. He's a relatively known commodity that people might like to see for a game or two.
So to establish the minimum, I'm thinking about what won't get us in. Going 2-2 and losing on the first day in Nashville will put us in the NIT. Anything better than that and we have a shot. I think 3-1 with one win in Nashville absolutely gets us in, as does 2-2 with two wins in Nashville. Anything in the middle of that range is just too hard to call with all the other bubble teams out there too.
Saturday I predicted a seven game winning streak to be playing on Sunday in Nashville. Long way to go, but at least we're 1-0.
For the basketball experts, what is the minimum that State has to do to make it...
this all points back to losing to Rider, Richmond and WKU which is what we say every year. Win 2 out of 3, I think we are in. We would be 21-6 or 22-5.
this all points back to losing to Rider, Richmond and WKU which is what we say every year. Win 2 out of 3, I think we are in. We would be 21-6 or 22-5.
For the basketball experts, what is the minimum that State has to do to make it...
If we win 23 games this year and don't get in and they take a Big East team with 17-18 wins.
If we win 23 games this year and don't get in and they take a Big East team with 17-18 wins.
For the basketball experts, what is the minimum that State has to do to make it...
with losing records in conference. I think there should be a rule that if you do not finish over .500 in conference playyou will not be allowed to play in the tournament.
RPI Conference Record
UCONN 456-8
Seton Hall 506-8
Cinncinati 52 6-7
with losing records in conference. I think there should be a rule that if you do not finish over .500 in conference playyou will not be allowed to play in the tournament.
RPI Conference Record
UCONN 456-8
Seton Hall 506-8
Cinncinati 52 6-7
For the basketball experts, what is the minimum that State has to do to make it...
Cincinnati, Seton Hall, and UConn are your biggest threats to do that. They have 15, 15, and 16 wins respectively. Cincinnati and Seton Hall have a chance if they win 3 more, but I still think each of them would need 19 wins despite the ridiculous strength of schedule each of them have.
Cincinnati, Seton Hall, and UConn are your biggest threats to do that. They have 15, 15, and 16 wins respectively. Cincinnati and Seton Hall have a chance if they win 3 more, but I still think each of them would need 19 wins despite the ridiculous strength of schedule each of them have.
For the basketball experts, what is the minimum that State has to do to make it...
...and beat Bama or Arkansas on their home court, and we'd be jockeying for a pretty decent seed.
...and beat Bama or Arkansas on their home court, and we'd be jockeying for a pretty decent seed.
For the basketball experts, what is the minimum that State has to do to make it...
If we had beaten Richmond I am not sure we would have beaten Missouri though, so that's about a wash. Throw in Arkansas and Bama winnable road games, and of those five if we are just 3-2 or even 2-3, I think we are solid. That's the Stansbury way though.... if if if if if.
Now after all of this, watch us get to the Sweet 16 this year. That would be hilarious.
If we had beaten Richmond I am not sure we would have beaten Missouri though, so that's about a wash. Throw in Arkansas and Bama winnable road games, and of those five if we are just 3-2 or even 2-3, I think we are solid. That's the Stansbury way though.... if if if if if.
Now after all of this, watch us get to the Sweet 16 this year. That would be hilarious.
For the basketball experts, what is the minimum that State has to do to make it...
As bad as we've played thisyear, Varnado can shut down thelane against most teams and Randy can handle any non-NBA boundperimeter player. The stupid mistakes will make it hard to advance, butall it takes is a mildly hot shooting streak in any gameto turn us into a dangerous team.
Gottfried made his runs with teams that simply got hot; stansbury will do the same eventually, if he can keep getting to the tournament.If we're a 12 or 13 seed, we won't have to be too hot to beat a 5 or 4 seed, and then have a decent matchup in the second round.DawgatAuburn said:
As bad as we've played thisyear, Varnado can shut down thelane against most teams and Randy can handle any non-NBA boundperimeter player. The stupid mistakes will make it hard to advance, butall it takes is a mildly hot shooting streak in any gameto turn us into a dangerous team.
For the basketball experts, what is the minimum that State has to do to make it...
You know the committee members keep up with how many teams each conference has, as the process goes along, and they KNOW that it will be a huge whiny controversy if the SEC (since this is a 'down year' by all ESPN accounts) gets too many bids.
So if UF is in, giving the SEC 5 teams, and it comes down at the end of the selection to MSU and another at-large team -- I'm going to guess the other team gets the nod. I think we need the Gata to lose 3 or 4 more games.
You know the committee members keep up with how many teams each conference has, as the process goes along, and they KNOW that it will be a huge whiny controversy if the SEC (since this is a 'down year' by all ESPN accounts) gets too many bids.
So if UF is in, giving the SEC 5 teams, and it comes down at the end of the selection to MSU and another at-large team -- I'm going to guess the other team gets the nod. I think we need the Gata to lose 3 or 4 more games.
For the basketball experts, what is the minimum that State has to do to make it...
See I disagree. Lunardi has had a chance to sit in on the meetings, and he says the committee doesn't consider conference or the number of teams from a conference They primarily break the field into groupings of 4, and they look at each resume individually to come up with those groupings.
I buy that because if that weren't the case, they wouldn't have years where some of these small conferences get 4 and 5 bids. Right now the SEC only has 3 locks (UK, Vandy, and UT). Florida and MSU are the only other two really in contention right now since we respectfully withdrew our names from consideration. So, at most the SEC will get 5 bids. I'm thinking it'll end up being 4 though with UF being the 4th unless some non-tourney team like us, South Carolina, or Arkansas wins the SEC tournament, or unless MSU pulls off a strong finish to the regular season to become the 5th.
You primarily need to worry about your own team, and what will be a bigger concern will be the small conference tourneys involving teams that already have an at large bid sewn up. For example, Butler, Northern Iowa, Gonzaga, and maybe even UTEP need to win their respective conference tourneys for the sake of the bubble teams. Those teams are all most likely in whether they win their conference tourneys or not. If they win their conference tourney, their league is a one bid league. If they get upset, their league becomes a 2 bid league, and it takes away an at large spot from the bubble teams. The same could be said for other conference tourneys. If someone like Boston College were to come out of nowhere and win the ACC tourney or South Carolina the SEC tourney, that would take away an at large spot as well.
Those situations are more important to bubble teams than what any other bubble team does in particular.
Mr Meoff said:
See I disagree. Lunardi has had a chance to sit in on the meetings, and he says the committee doesn't consider conference or the number of teams from a conference They primarily break the field into groupings of 4, and they look at each resume individually to come up with those groupings.
I buy that because if that weren't the case, they wouldn't have years where some of these small conferences get 4 and 5 bids. Right now the SEC only has 3 locks (UK, Vandy, and UT). Florida and MSU are the only other two really in contention right now since we respectfully withdrew our names from consideration. So, at most the SEC will get 5 bids. I'm thinking it'll end up being 4 though with UF being the 4th unless some non-tourney team like us, South Carolina, or Arkansas wins the SEC tournament, or unless MSU pulls off a strong finish to the regular season to become the 5th.
You primarily need to worry about your own team, and what will be a bigger concern will be the small conference tourneys involving teams that already have an at large bid sewn up. For example, Butler, Northern Iowa, Gonzaga, and maybe even UTEP need to win their respective conference tourneys for the sake of the bubble teams. Those teams are all most likely in whether they win their conference tourneys or not. If they win their conference tourney, their league is a one bid league. If they get upset, their league becomes a 2 bid league, and it takes away an at large spot from the bubble teams. The same could be said for other conference tourneys. If someone like Boston College were to come out of nowhere and win the ACC tourney or South Carolina the SEC tourney, that would take away an at large spot as well.
Those situations are more important to bubble teams than what any other bubble team does in particular.
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Why? The goal is to get the best teams.
That's the same as the argument that you shouldn't get a bowl bid if you have a losing conference record. Well, if there are 60+ bowl bids out there, you want the best teams, even if it means a 3-5 SEC team gets a bid before a 5-3 CUSA team.
The Big East is one of the best conferences in the country, and if you're a team like UConn that has played a ridiculously difficult schedule and managed to get some quality wins in that mix, you deserve a bid over a team like MSU or Florida that has only a couple decent wins with some bad losses mixed in.
Setting some kind of limit on conference record is stupid because all conferences are not created equal.
JxnDawg39211 said:
Why? The goal is to get the best teams.
That's the same as the argument that you shouldn't get a bowl bid if you have a losing conference record. Well, if there are 60+ bowl bids out there, you want the best teams, even if it means a 3-5 SEC team gets a bid before a 5-3 CUSA team.
The Big East is one of the best conferences in the country, and if you're a team like UConn that has played a ridiculously difficult schedule and managed to get some quality wins in that mix, you deserve a bid over a team like MSU or Florida that has only a couple decent wins with some bad losses mixed in.
Setting some kind of limit on conference record is stupid because all conferences are not created equal.
For the basketball experts, what is the minimum that State has to do to make it...
Every single reporter that has been close to the situation adamantly insists that the committee doesn't consider number of teams from each conference. Yet so many people act like it's known fact that the exact opposite is true.
Last year, so many on here insisted that Auburn would get in because Slive was the head of the selection committee, and he wouldn't let the SEC only get two bids. Every single reporter said that Auburn wasn't even close to getting an at-large. Yet the message board heroes continue to think they know more about the situation than people who have actually been behind the scenes.
Every single reporter that has been close to the situation adamantly insists that the committee doesn't consider number of teams from each conference. Yet so many people act like it's known fact that the exact opposite is true.
Last year, so many on here insisted that Auburn would get in because Slive was the head of the selection committee, and he wouldn't let the SEC only get two bids. Every single reporter said that Auburn wasn't even close to getting an at-large. Yet the message board heroes continue to think they know more about the situation than people who have actually been behind the scenes.
For the basketball experts, what is the minimum that State has to do to make it...
its safe to now change the "I hope Sidney gets cleared by ___ game" to "If Sidney can get cleared for next year do you think he comes back" in the various basketball threads. Renardo Sidney is the just latest evolution of the crotch kick that we have endured with signing all world players that end up in the NBA...our curse has now evolved from signing them and seeing them go in the lottery to signing them and seeing them go in the second round then flourish to signing them and watching them swing a towel on the sidelines.
its safe to now change the "I hope Sidney gets cleared by ___ game" to "If Sidney can get cleared for next year do you think he comes back" in the various basketball threads. Renardo Sidney is the just latest evolution of the crotch kick that we have endured with signing all world players that end up in the NBA...our curse has now evolved from signing them and seeing them go in the lottery to signing them and seeing them go in the second round then flourish to signing them and watching them swing a towel on the sidelines.