For the Jackson Metro folk - Karen Irby got 18 years...
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An article in the CL hard copy this morning mentioned this:
<div style="MARGIN: 5px 20px 20px"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" width="100%" border="0"><tbody><tr><td class="alt2" style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset"><div>Just six months ago in a similar case to Irby's, Green sentenced Christopher Spell to 20 years in prison.
</div><div>Spell pleaded guilty to two counts of manslaughter in the 2007 deaths of Clinton Fire Department Capt. Eddie McGowan and his wife, Vicki.</div></td></tr></tbody></table></div>
<span class="pp">http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20100511/NEWS/5110340/Expert++Irby+to+face+stiff+penalty</span></p>
<div style="MARGIN: 5px 20px 20px"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="4" width="100%" border="0"><tbody><tr><td class="alt2" style="BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset"><div>Just six months ago in a similar case to Irby's, Green sentenced Christopher Spell to 20 years in prison.
</div><div>Spell pleaded guilty to two counts of manslaughter in the 2007 deaths of Clinton Fire Department Capt. Eddie McGowan and his wife, Vicki.</div></td></tr></tbody></table></div>
<span class="pp">http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20100511/NEWS/5110340/Expert++Irby+to+face+stiff+penalty</span></p>
I think that if she were some poor redneck or black woman in Holmes county and ran over some other poor redneck coming home drunk from the go-go club instead of Jackson Country Club she would get 18 months not 18 years.
community made it certain she'd get a significant sentence. any hint of leinency would have gotten the judge roasted for sure. wonder when she's eligible for parole?
In life, the rich get most of the breaks, but in court, they will turn the screws on them to make an example. I think she deserves a severe punishment for what she did. I realize she did not mean to kill those folks. But it is amazing that some young punk crunked up on who knows what can take pistol and murder someone and get less time in our court system.
but I just read some of the comments to the story.
It's the cesspool of society...moreso than this message board.
It's the cesspool of society...moreso than this message board.
by a drunk driver. My sister was a high school student at the time, and my folks were picking her up from some youth church NYE party in Madison. She fell asleep in the back of the car. Had she been sitting up she might have flown even further, like through the goddamn windshield.
The guy who hit them was a piece of pure grade Pearl, Mississippi, white trash. It was his second DUI related charge, he had pled down his first. He saw probation and nothing else. It had nothing to do with being rich or poor, and everything to do with a terrible courts system.
The guy who hit them was a piece of pure grade Pearl, Mississippi, white trash. It was his second DUI related charge, he had pled down his first. He saw probation and nothing else. It had nothing to do with being rich or poor, and everything to do with a terrible courts system.
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yeah, he did get out WAY earlier than he was sentenced, but this person just killed two people and got a sentence of 7 years less than what Dontae's original sentence was. Just shows how 17'd up Starkville's ******** court system is.
BriantheDawg said:
How pissed off MSU fans were at Dontae. (Referring to people that say that his sentence was fair)
were they seriously injured. hope not. i do think dui is one of the most underpunished crimes out there. i'm not sure what to do about a first offense but IMO a second ought to put you in jail for a long time.
I do believe there is hyperaccountability for people like her. But, when you look at the circumstances, she made a series of poor decisions that utlimately cost some other people their lives. Heck, I even think she would tell you that she made some poor decisions and that's why she is in that mess. Herwealth insured she wasn't ever going to get a light sentence. But, it probably did afford her the best representation possible to try to get out of it.When you look at the comments onall the stories about heron the CL website, youcan see a lot of "I hate rich people" in those comments. Clearly there are people that are making those comments that want worse things to happen to her because she was wealthy.Utlimately, that's about envy.
It sounds like Stuart probably was the root cause of the accident. But, she could have pulled over and gotten out. She could have decided to call a cab rather than ever get behind that wheel. It's pretty clear that she didn't haveany will to hurt anybody. There are a lot of us who made a lot of the same decisions she made and purely by the grace of God we made it home safe with nothing bad happening and we were left simply to reflect on the absence of good decision making we displayed. But, it didn't turn out for her or the people she hit. It's really sad all the way around.
It sounds like Stuart probably was the root cause of the accident. But, she could have pulled over and gotten out. She could have decided to call a cab rather than ever get behind that wheel. It's pretty clear that she didn't haveany will to hurt anybody. There are a lot of us who made a lot of the same decisions she made and purely by the grace of God we made it home safe with nothing bad happening and we were left simply to reflect on the absence of good decision making we displayed. But, it didn't turn out for her or the people she hit. It's really sad all the way around.
But it's definitely inconsistent as ****. Some friends had their lives basically put on hold for a year, others just got better lawyers and can forget it even happened.
.....about 10 years of that. I don't care what anyone says, or whether her husband was abusive or not, she was drunk and behind the wheeel and she was speeding. She's responsible for the deaths of two innocent people, and I feel no sympathy for her and the fact that she won't be there for her kids. The two peopleshe killed never had a chance to have kids.
I think she deserves more, as I believe anyone(rich or poor) in that situation deserves more years behind bars.
I think she deserves more, as I believe anyone(rich or poor) in that situation deserves more years behind bars.
She's getting what she deserves. And if the stories that her husband was beating her are true, he needs to come to trial soon. But whether he does or not, he'll never be the same again. His brain damage will never completely heal, although it isn't severe enough to totally incapacitate him. I know several people who know both of them personally, and to say they are both pieces of **** is giving pieces of **** a compliment.
So, the fact that her husband wasn't just abusive, but was actually beating the hell out of her and was yanking her head around by her hair doesn't ellicit any mercy at all? You know -- I agree. She got behind the wheel and she shouldn't have -- poor decision #1. She probably should have ditched this bastard, which was probably really poor decision #1. But, she shouldn't have gotten behind the wheel. Presumably she could have called a cab. But, he probably would have attempted to drive home without her had she done that. And he was in MUCH worse condition than she was. Nevertheless she made a poor decision. She wasn't totally loaded. But, she was over the limit. She was not over the limit that was the case when I was in college. As tiny as she was, two glasses probably sent her over the limit. The next poor decision she made was to continue driving when he was abusing her. She could have stopped the car, gotten out, and flagged someone down. She didn't. She probably sped up so she could get out of the car faster or something. Who knows. She wasn't thinking clearly.
Further, along the vein of my original exploration, she didn't willfully kill these folks. She made poor decisions which led to the deaths of two innocent people. She didn't intend to kill them. Isn't that different than intending to kill people? What if you intend to kill someone and just fail to do so because you are inept? You aim, pull the trigger, and you suck at hitting a target. Isn't that really worse even though the person isn't actually dead? You had wilful intent to kill someone.
I really do try to think through these things, and I just can't arrive at the decision that she should have gotten longer or she should have gotten off easier. She killed two people by making poor decisions. But, she didn't intend to do so. She did so by either being stupid or inconsiderate. The guy that plans out a murder and just fails in his plan -- I don't see why he should get less punishment than the guy who was actuallysuccessful. He sucks so he gets off easier? That's ********, there.
Further, along the vein of my original exploration, she didn't willfully kill these folks. She made poor decisions which led to the deaths of two innocent people. She didn't intend to kill them. Isn't that different than intending to kill people? What if you intend to kill someone and just fail to do so because you are inept? You aim, pull the trigger, and you suck at hitting a target. Isn't that really worse even though the person isn't actually dead? You had wilful intent to kill someone.
I really do try to think through these things, and I just can't arrive at the decision that she should have gotten longer or she should have gotten off easier. She killed two people by making poor decisions. But, she didn't intend to do so. She did so by either being stupid or inconsiderate. The guy that plans out a murder and just fails in his plan -- I don't see why he should get less punishment than the guy who was actuallysuccessful. He sucks so he gets off easier? That's ********, there.
From several reliable sources, she is just as terrible a person as he is. She didn't just make "poor decisions." She was recklessly negligent and killed two people. Both of their lives were a train wreck waiting to happen and it's just a damn shame two innocent people had to pay the price for that.
figure that she got what she deserved -- no worse and no better.
I'm just wondering if you consider any of the facts of what happened to be mitigating circumstances.
As for the two of them -- I really haven't heard the same about her that I have heard about him. To be honest, I think she was a very pretty girl that probably got in way over her head in terms of who she married and what all the ramifications were. I have never heard anybody say she was a horrible person. I can't say that AT ALL about him.
It is a shame about the two innocent people that had to pay for her mistake. No doubt. But, as I was trying to point out (inarticulately, I'm sure) recklessly negligent is about poor decisions, not so much about wilful intent. And that's where I see SOME difference.
I'm just wondering if you consider any of the facts of what happened to be mitigating circumstances.
As for the two of them -- I really haven't heard the same about her that I have heard about him. To be honest, I think she was a very pretty girl that probably got in way over her head in terms of who she married and what all the ramifications were. I have never heard anybody say she was a horrible person. I can't say that AT ALL about him.
It is a shame about the two innocent people that had to pay for her mistake. No doubt. But, as I was trying to point out (inarticulately, I'm sure) recklessly negligent is about poor decisions, not so much about wilful intent. And that's where I see SOME difference.