For the recruiting people

[Todd4State]

MSU had two guys on the All-SEC freshman team. Ole Miss only had one. This despite playing a ton more freshmen than us and having allegedly out recruited us.

The Ole Miss player- Sendarius Bryant. Not Brassell, CJ, or Tobias. Or even Moncrief.

Our two guys were Malcolm Johnson and Kaleb Euells.

 

[Todd4State]

MSU had two guys on the All-SEC freshman team. Ole Miss only had one. This despite playing a ton more freshmen than us and having allegedly out recruited us.

The Ole Miss player- Sendarius Bryant. Not Brassell, CJ, or Tobias. Or even Moncrief.

Our two guys were Malcolm Johnson and Kaleb Euells.

 

[Big Sheep81]

He was the only bright spot in that offense the entire season. He will be a player.

 

[MemphisMaroonClubDog]

nm

 

[JacksonDevilDog]

All I heard from Nutt for 13 weeks was how outstanding their freshmen were and how great that they would be in the future. If we had more freshman all SEC than they did, that may mean a national championship is in the future for us.

Thats with me thinking like a spirit poster.

 

[Wizard.sixpack]

shouldnt we wait until these guys are seniors before we count last years recruiting class a bust for them....I mean do any teams really expect a ton from freshmen even if they are 4 and 5 star recruits???

 

[MemphisMaroonClubDog]

did not apply to this. What makes this tough for TSUN is the fact that their freshmen played a ton. You don't hear or see the other freshmen unless they are making plays. They may turn out to be good but, see JacksonDevilDog's response. They have been touting their own freshmen all year. And, they have made SOME plays. However, this All Freshman team shows that not many outside of Oxford really think they are that good

 

[Coach34]

doesnt bode well for them and all their Crootin titles

 

[RonnyAtmosphere]

...Malcolm Johnson and Kaleb Euells both showed more big time playmaking ability than any freshmen the Bears trotted out.

Euells is going to be a beast after he matures & Mullen should be read the riot act for snatching Malcolm Johnson out of the game everytime he made a big play.

 

[Nad Nellum]

Unlike many, it doesn't cloud my judgement. Moncrief should have made it. Brassell should have too.

 

[Todd4State]

but if you are starting all of these freshmen, and they are as good as allegedly advertised, then they should have made up a good bit of the All-SEC freshman team. Especially since most teams in the SEC aren't playing a ton of freshmen as starters. So, basically their guys were competing with one or two other guys.

 

[Goat Grindin]

****, all I saw was Brassell drop passes. Neither did **** against us. Moncrief made a few catches because it seemed to me Mackey just threw up a bunch of hail marys continuously, bound to catch some of them. ****, just the odds of making a big play or two increase if the the players are on the field. Plus, they never got anybody's best shot.<div>
</div><div>I think they're both pretty good athletes but it takes a little more than that.</div>

 

[Lion O]

Most of our freshmen that played were true freshmen. We haven't redshirted many players under Nutt.

Most of our best freshmen didn't play significant snaps until the end of the year, hardly making them deserving over guys that started all season or played significant snaps all year.

But, just so we cover all of the bases:

Moncrief had comparable seasons to Mitchell and Beckham, who are both going to be great in this league. Essentially a pick-em there, and I don't mind if he is considered the 3rd or 4th best freshman WR. He's going to be a beast, already the top WR as a freshman on the team.

Brassell didn't have near the year of any of the others at his two positions, mostly because he was playing two positions. But hell, if you think he's overrated because he didn't make freshman all-SEC, well then he obviously must be. Just like those guys Peria Jerry, Mike Wallace, Deuce McAllister, Eli Manning, Patrick Willis...and on and on and on. Those guys seemed to do OK. Note: That is not to say all of these freshmen will be that good, only that you can't always judge players based on their freshmen seasons.

We didn't have a freshman QB play.

We didn't have a freshman DE play significant snaps until the end of the season (Johnson). No other freshman DE. Our DTs rotated in and out and will be good pretty quickly, but I won't say they're better than the ones that made the list, those are future superstars.

No freshmen TE.

Two freshman OL, one of which played about 3-4 games (Morris) and looked better than our LT when he did and the other (Swindall) started the last 4 I think.

Prewitt only played at the end of the year, Golson played here and there throughout the year, never in a starting role until the end of the season (behind a JR and SR most of the season). We didn't have any other freshmen play a significant amount of plays until the end of the season when Nutt clearly said "17 it" and just put a bunch of freshmen on the field to get their *** kicked by Auburn, LSU, and a veteran MSU team.

Your theory that they should make up more of the list because we played more of them is completely ridiculous because it assumes that they are already better than all of the other freshmen at their position in the SEC, which is completely ludicrous. They can be good, even stars, without making the All-SEC Freshman list. It is a glimpse at one season, not at talent or projected performance.

 

[Todd4State]

The guy for UGA had more yards than Moncreif and just as many TD, and the other guy plays for LSU and had almost as many yards and didn't start and two fewer TD's.

The all-purpose guy had better stats than Brassell.

Brassell had 469 yards total on offense (rushing AND receiving) and a grand total of 2 TD's on offense.

On special teams he had 169 yards punting and returning kicks and 1 TD

And then on defense he had 14 tackles and 0 INT's and 0 pass deflections.

So, for all his greatness, he accounted for a grand total of 638 yards and 3 TD's on the year all purpose.

To give you a perspective- LaDarius Perkins had a better year as a freshman- 813 yards on offense with 6 TD's in a reserve role.

 

[BillBraskyDOG]

jeez, you writing a novel? Calm down.

 

[Goat Grindin]

wait until next year. You'll find out the definition of veteran. <div>
</div><div>I don't know that you'll have a chance against us until 2014, when your current freshmen are seniors, and the game is at Oxford. We'll flat out be too good for you next year in Oxford, and you just ain't beating us in Starkville in '13. People forget that we have a two deep of freshman and sophomore OL in the fold. </div>

 

[Todd4State]

Your theory that they should make up more of the list because we played more of them is completely ridiculous because it assumes that they are already better than all of the other freshmen at their position in the SEC, which is completely ludicrous. They can be good, even stars, without making the All-SEC Freshman list. It is a glimpse at one season, not at talent or projected performance.

if they were as good as people made them out to be, then yes, they would be better than the other freshmen in the SEC. Especially since they played more than a lot of other freshmen. Sure some guys develop later, but if your class was as good as advertised, odds are you would have more than one guy on it. Especially if you are playing 10 freshmen a good bit.

Did you not have the "#1 WR class in the country last year?"

Did you not have the "#1 LB class in the country last year?"

So, who is wrong in their assessment? The coaches in the SEC? Are you saying that they can't judge talent?

And so what if our guys were redshirted? That's what an actual SEC team is supposed to do with their freshmen. Not throw people like Cody Prewitt out there and talk about how they might figure it out in a few years. Maybe. In fact, it wouldn't shock me next year if we get at least one guy on the all freshman team next year out of most recent class. If not more. What are you saying? That our class two years ago was better than your class last year?

 

[disturbeddawg]

nfm

 

[Uncle Ruckus]

if they weren't getting ample playing time over the people in front of them? it's not like you had all-sec talent that was keeping them off the field.

 

[patdog]

They've all got 3 more years of eligility after this one. It's not our fault you can't afford to redshirt players.

 

[Confrused]

Ok, you convinced me Todd. The freshmen we played this year, outside of Bryant, weren't considered the best freshmen at their respective positions. And just so we're clear, your point is because we played a lot of talented freshmen, more of them should be on the team? Uhm, ok....

Redshirting = that's what an SEC team should do with freshmen? If ya'lls freshmen were better than your upperclassmen (like ours were) they would be on the field too. MSU had better players at most every position, with the exception of a couple of spots obviously. Not having talented upperclassmen is not an enviable position to be in, and it cost Nutt his job, but it is what it is.

The guys you mentioned got valuable experience this year, and talent + experience = a good football player usually...so as much as you will hate to hear it, we're still VERY excited about the young guys who played this year

 

[RebelBruiser]

You can just about take that to the bank barring injuries.

He's a freak talent. Reminds me a lot of Shay Hodge, but bigger and probably a little faster already. Problem is he played in a **** offense with QBs that didn't get him the ball. If you play on a bad team, you aren't going to be able to show much, especially at a position like WR, and you won't get recognition.

Brassell is a good ball player, and while he has the talent to be Freshman All-SEC, he didn't show enough of it to earn the spot. On him, I won't be shocked if he doesn't make it back for next fall. It may take a minor miracle of intersession, spring, and summer courses. It's been done before, but the new staff is going to have to go to class with him and sit with him the entire way. He may have pulled a Chris Strong.

Just to throw this out there, in 2006, we only had 2 SEC All-Freshman team members, and one of them was Josh Shene, a kicker. That freshman class had 4 future NFL draft picks and a number of other players that made NFL rosters. It was probably the deepest class of talent we had in the modern era, and we had something like 17 true freshmen playing that year, not counting all the redshirt freshmen from the previous year. They had plenty of opportunity to showcase their talents that year, but they didn't get recognition.

A few notable NFL draft picks from recent teams that didn't make All-Freshman for us, Peria Jerry, Mike Wallace, Greg Hardy, Kendrick Lewis, Dexter McCluster. Just saying that to point out that the All-Freshman team isn't the best judge of a recruiting class.

 

[thunderclap]

somewhere Confrused is looking at the All-Freshman team andholding a gun to his head.

 

[Confrused]

[No message]

 

[Confrused]

[No message]

 

[thunderclap]

Seriously, I think OM's freshman class is destined for greatness.

 

[Lion O]

because they didn't perform the best in the SEC per the coaches and AP as a freshman at their position, then they aren't as good as they are made out to be? That's your statement? Absurd. To prove that, I already listed several guys who weren't freshman All-SEC and wound up being pretty damn good. Two All-Pros and another 1st round draft pick who was possibly the most dominant DL in the SEC his SR year.

Did we have the top WR class in the country? I have no idea, but I think it was one of the top when you consider talent and depth. I don't care if they dominated the Freshman All-SEC team. That doesn't change a damn thing about their talent. I still don't see how, even if they were the top WR class, not making the Freshman team makes any comparison. Nobody said that they were the top 3-4 freshmen WRs in the country, only that they were one of the best groups as a whole. There are clearly better or equal individual players at the WR position and age group in the SEC . That doesn't take anything away from their talent.

I can't imagine anyone saying we had the #1 LB class, but OK, you go with that. I think the LBs we brought in performed pretty damn good for freshmen considering their limited playing time. I really don't care if they made freshman All-SEC, they're still talented and will be really good players the next 3 years. I wouldn't be surprised if our starting LBs next year were all freshmen from this year (Bryant, Lewis, Williams), assuming Shackelford stays at DE and is healthy.

I don't think that anyone is wrong in their assessment. Moncrief had similar stats to Beckham (actually better than him) and Mitchell. Brassell played both sides of the ball and was excellent at both. He'll be All-SEC if he can stay eligible and will focus on playing one position. Bryant played the most of any freshman of defense and it showed with is selection. The rest didn't get enough significant PT to put up better statistics than the freshmen that were selected. If you want to argue that CJ Johnson isn't as good as Clowney I'm not going to argue, because he isn't and there's nothing wrong with that. The freshmen that played this year are talented and will have plenty more opportunities to be selected as All-SEC in the future, and I think they'll be well represented.

As for patdog's dumb ***, yeah there's no difference in a redshirt freshman and a true freshman. None at all. Not a year in a college weight room, not a year learning scheme, not a year of college football practices going against SEC players. Yeah, nothing different about redshirt and true freshmen, nothing at all.

I guess Perkins, Boyd, Russell, and Wells just aren't that good, either. None of them made Freshman All-SEC.

 

[esplanade91]

I don't think they understand that we don't care if they're going to be good or not. It's just funny that ESPN and Nutt have been praising their freshmen players all season long and they come up flat in the postseason honors at those positions.

I agree, it's no indicator of the future. Moncrief will be good. Brassell and CJ are wastes of supreme talent.

Speaking of redshirts though, I hope the $3,500 yall guys gave Vincent to not take an official visit at Mississippi State was worth it. Top notch in my opinion.</p>

 

[boatsnhoes]

dear om douchers, please stfu.

Moncreif is/will be a great talent and a pain in our a s s in november.
Brassell is a talented kid with what appears to be a 5 cent head. he's still on the fence so we'll see if he turns worthless or suddenly finds some self discipline.
CJ is a worthless pile of dog spunk. Frankly, it couldn't happen to a better** guy and mother. I see him working a car wash in Philly before his junior year. Think Maurice Clarrett. </p>

 

[Beretta.sixpack]

You can just about take that to the bank barring injuries.

He's a freak talent. Reminds me a lot of Shay Hodge, but bigger and probably a little faster already. Problem is he played in a **** offense with QBs that didn't get him the ball. If you play on a bad team, you aren't going to be able to show much, especially at a position like WR, and you won't get recognition.

Brassell is a good ball player, and while he has the talent to be Freshman All-SEC, he didn't show enough of it to earn the spot. On him, I won't be shocked if he doesn't make it back for next fall. It may take a minor miracle of intersession, spring, and summer courses. It's been done before, but the new staff is going to have to go to class with him and sit with him the entire way. He may have pulled a Chris Strong.

Just to throw this out there, in 2006, we only had 2 SEC All-Freshman team members, and one of them was Josh Shene, a kicker. That freshman class had 4 future NFL draft picks and a number of other players that made NFL rosters. It was probably the deepest class of talent we had in the modern era, and we had something like 17 true freshmen playing that year, not counting all the redshirt freshmen from the previous year. They had plenty of opportunity to showcase their talents that year, but they didn't get recognition.

A few notable NFL draft picks from recent teams that didn't make All-Freshman for us, Peria Jerry, Mike Wallace, Greg Hardy, Kendrick Lewis, Dexter McCluster. Just saying that to point out that the All-Freshman team isn't the best judge of a recruiting class.

I call on 2 high profile physicians whom are very influential within your program, and both have told me that neither Brassell nor Jeff Scott will be back next year.....said there were a lot of academic casualties within your program, but those 2 were so far gone, there was not even a point of them even returning.....

other rumor de jour heard from one of them was that 24, yes, twenty-four players on the team failed the drug test.....they had 1 week to get it out of their system and retake.....and the three that failed the second time were the 3 that were suspended.....Jeff Scott was one of them......seems fitting that he won't be coming back next year because of grades....karmas a *****.....say you'll give up your scholly to not lose to "them" again and then not own up to it.....

now whether these guys are right or not, take it for what its worth.......one of them scoots around on private planes with a few influential agents and coaches FWIW....

 

[RebelBruiser]

I haven't heard as much on Brassell, but I'm pretty confident Scott won't be back. Won't be shocked if Mackey ends up booted as well. We have a group that needs to be booted or straighten up.

We don't have a two deep at tailback next year at all. We'll be playing freshmen and maybe a Juco if we sign one.

There is a core on the team that's a solid group of guys, but there is a decent group of 15 or so players that needed to be weeded out or straightened up.

 

[Todd4State]

is this is the SEC. This is the best league in America. If you play a true freshman, they better be all-world. If not, you're in trouble. You can't win with a bunch of true freshmen in the SEC. I don't care if you are Alabama or LSU.

There aren't a whole lot of freshmen playing in the SEC- a team that is playing about 10 of them should have more than one. If not, what else am I supposed to conclude? Your class was overhyped and overrated.

I'll be honest- I don't want us to ever have a year where we are playing a bunch of freshmen. And absolutely a SEC team is supposed to redshirt most of their players. Because it is about development without hurting your team.

You say that they got "valuable experience"- in essence they've lost a year because they didn't redshirt and go through spring practice, they certainly didn't learn how to win, and I can't imagine getting juked out by Trent Richardson is a good experience.

And I don't hate to hear that you're excited- by all means knock yourself out. Maybe you can even have the band spell out FREEZE at the Liberty Bowl three years from now.

 

[Todd4State]

to think that because the coaches who get paid to evaluate and develop talent for a living didn't pick your guys as All-freshmen that they aren't as good as advertised? Yep. Pretty ridiculous. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid from Caddyshack on the Spirit.

And of those four guys you mentioned that didn't make All-SEC- three were back-ups as freshmen. Great point.

 

[Todd4State]

Brassell is overrated because we had a guy that was a back-up running back last year and played significantly fewer snaps than him and had better numbers. I really shouldn't have to spell this out. I guess you really are confrused.

 

[Foronce]

because i figure he will get his share of the carries next year.

but with 5 on roster and 4 committed, who knows

 

[HamilReb]

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